Pet Peeve #131 - I HATE it when people say "..

[Pleasurepays]

"its an acquired taste"

really? are you fucking kidding me?

a better way to say it would be:

"actually, it tastes like fucking ass... but if you taste enough of it, you'll be able to tolerate it and then believe yourself to be entitled to a pompous attitude, and misplaced arrogance about the fact that you regularly put something in your mouth that tastes like ass"

if you are going to serve something that is "an acquired taste", and you have to add that disclaimer at any point during the course of things, then you're an asshole.

[RedShoe]

We say that so the tacky and classless don't feel so bad when they wander into our expensive restaurants. Just stick to eating macaroni and cheese like the rest of your class.

[- Jesus Christ -]

The problem with your rant is that some things really do have an acquired taste...

[Voodoo]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

We say that so the tacky and classless don't feel so bad when they wander into our expensive restaurants. Just stick to eating macaroni and cheese like the rest of your class.

Mac & Cheese is an aquired taste.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by RedShoe

We say that so the tacky and classless don't feel so bad when they wander into our expensive restaurants. Just stick to eating macaroni and cheese like the rest of your class.

taste... much like beauty is a fairly universal thing. people in iceland don't eat dogshit.. neither do people anywhere else. when you find yourself in the minority in what you like and you are proud of that fact, its because you feel the need to set yourself apart from others in an extremely simplistic, shallow and superficial way because you have nothing else to offer and you are insecure about that fact.

[CDSmith]

Not just food. Some people describe certain pieces of "art" as an aquired taste.

I just call it crap.

[aico]

My pet peeve is when people don't know the difference between its and it's.

[Bama]

One of my pet peeves is when people ask and answer their own questions or speak of themselves in the 3rd person.....

Does it really get under my skin? Yes
Would I do it? No

Bama thinks it's rude!

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Not just food. Some people describe certain pieces of "art" as an aquired taste.

I just call it crap.

that really annoys me to no end. i always say to people, "i could wipe my ass with a canvas, piss on it, sign it and frame it and hang it someplace nice and morons like you would spend the next 1000 years debating my genius and talent"

[Voodoo]

Originally Posted by Bama

One of my pet peeves is when people ask and answer their own questions or speak of themselves in the 3rd person.....

Does it really get under my skin? Yes
Would I do it? No

Bama thinks it's rude!

Does Voodoo do this? Yes he does!

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

taste... much like beauty is a fairly universal thing. people in iceland don't eat dogshit.. neither do people anywhere else. when you find yourself in the minority in what you like and you are proud of that fact, its because you feel the need to set yourself apart from others in an extremely simplistic, shallow and superficial way because you have nothing else to offer and you are insecure about that fact.

i would strongly disagree - it's clearly a cultural thing

in some asian countries people love eating insects, try that in the US or Europe

raw fish in japan - i'm sure you can count sushi as "aquired taste"

in sweden they eat fish that has been rotting buried under the earth for weeks - it smells like you could use it as WMD

inuit eat air dried whale or seal - i'm not sure if you would like it

and i could go on for hours

[Sly]

I think some of my favorite foods are all "an acquired taste".

Sushi. I did not like it one bit when I first started eating it. Then I ate more. Now I love it.

Beer. I find beer to be an acquired taste.

Curry or korma. Did not like either when I first started eating it. Now I enjoy them quite a bit.

Children do not like peas and broccoli when they are little kids. Which means they are both and acquired taste. Like most new flavors are.

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

that really annoys me to no end. i always say to people, "i could wipe my ass with a canvas, piss on it, sign it and frame it and hang it someplace nice and morons like you would spend the next 1000 years debating my genius and talent"

Like Marcel Duchamp, who took a urinal, signed the name "R. Mutt" to it, and it is now considered "a major landmark in 20th century art?"

[jollyperv]

"...think outside the box" makes me want to murder people

[TheDoc]

I tried brandy a while back, and blah... One day a fellow told me how to actually drink Brandy, the correct way, the fine way. And this new acquired taste, blew my mind. See, I was smelling the brandy as I drank it, which made it taste bad, once I quit - the taste of the 100 year old brandy stood out, and shocked me.

Eating fine food, is the same way. Some very high end meats, even steaks.. shouldn't be smelled before eaten. Food is served in an order, because the taste / smells, ect in your mouth release in order to make the taste of the food explode.

If you aren't used to this type of food, taste, normally unique flavors to enhance the next taste of another meal, higher end or whatever the hell it is.. It is an acquired taste.

[Honez]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i would strongly disagree - it's clearly a cultural thing

in some asian countries people love eating insects, try that in the US or Europe

raw fish in japan - i'm sure you can count sushi as "aquired taste"

in sweden they eat fish that has been rotting buried under the earth for weeks - it smells like you could use it as WMD

inuit eat air dried whale or seal - i'm not sure if you would like it

and i could go on for hours

Please don't

[hypedough]

Originally Posted by aico

My pet peeve is when people don't know the difference between its and it's.

+1000000 on that shit, LOL

Originally Posted by pleasureplays

"its an acquired taste"

[RRRED]

Originally Posted by Bama

One of my pet peeves is when people ask and answer their own questions or speak of themselves in the 3rd person.....

Does it really get under my skin? Yes
Would I do it? No

Bama thinks it's rude!

Is bama sexy? Yes...

oh sorry to be rude.. lol

[Lycanthrope]

I hate when people from Indiana, primarily the Kokomo area, say, well, pretty much anything, but especially the word "wash".

There is no fucking letter "R" in the word.

There are many things that are acquired tastes:
- Things such as wine, need to be drank a certain way, and paired with specific foods.
- Scotch needs to be enjoyed in a certain manner, and once you learn how to distinguish different flavor elements, the taste becomes quite enjoyable.
- Beer was acquired for me, once I figured out that there was a whole world of various beers available out there.
- Sushi was very acquired for me. The THOUGHT of raw fish used to make me sick. After a few times and trying little bits here and there when going out with friends, I began to like sushi. Now it's one of my favorite foods, and I crave it constantly.
- Vegetables were acquired. I used to hate eating them, but after realizing the different ways they could be prepared, I became a vegetarian (minus my sushi cravings every week or so)

[tony286]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

I tried brandy a while back, and blah... One day a fellow told me how to actually drink Brandy, the correct way, the fine way. And this new acquired taste, blew my mind. See, I was smelling the brandy as I drank it, which made it taste bad, once I quit - the taste of the 100 year old brandy stood out, and shocked me.

Eating fine food, is the same way. Some very high end meats, even steaks.. shouldn't be smelled before eaten. Food is served in an order, because the taste / smells, ect in your mouth release in order to make the taste of the food explode.

If you aren't used to this type of food, taste, normally unique flavors to enhance the next taste of another meal, higher end or whatever the hell it is.. It is an acquired taste.

good point and very true about brandy.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i would strongly disagree - it's clearly a cultural thing

in some asian countries people love eating insects, try that in the US or Europe

raw fish in japan - i'm sure you can count sushi as "acquired taste"

in sweden they eat fish that has been rotting buried under the earth for weeks - it smells like you could use it as WMD

inuit eat air dried whale or seal - i'm not sure if you would like it

and i could go on for hours

"cultural thing" = "learned behavior"

i've ate both seal and whale by the way,... they both taste like ass.

of course we have other various barriers to what we eat... i.e. negative associations with smells, textures, flavors etc. but that's not the same as eating lute fisk, which is disgusting beyond description and saying "its an acquired taste"

the opposite is also true. how do you know an alcoholic likes scotch because of the flavor or because he is an alcoholic or just trying to self medicate? a variety of factors play a role in what we find palatable.

few seem to distinguish between tolerating something out of habit/peristent exposure to it and actually learning to appreciate/enjoy something for what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquired_taste

An acquired taste often refers to an appreciation for a food or beverage that is unlikely to be enjoyed by a person who has not had substantial exposure to it, usually because of some unfamiliar aspect of the food or beverage, including a strong or strange odor (e.g. stinky tofu), taste (such as bitter teas or hot spices), or appearance. Acquired taste may also refer to aesthetic tastes, such as taste in music or other forms of art. The relationship between taste in food and taste in art is subject to much discussion.[1] For more on non-gustatory taste, see the article taste (sociology).

The process of acquired taste looks very much like a form of adaptive preference formation (as described by Jon Elster). An individual deliberately changes preferences in order to make them more compatible with some situation.

[D Ghost]

hahhaa lmao!

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by aico

My pet peeve is when people don't know the difference between its and it's.

[gornyhuy]

And for the record... eating ass IS an acquired taste.

[CDSmith]

Instant coffee -- definitely an aquired taste. (one I use as a last resort and don't ever intend to aquire)


Speaking of pet peeves, not a huge one but it irks me somewhat when people say "aks" (ax?) instead of ask. I mean come on people, it's a three-letter word for christ sake, you mean to tell me roughly a third or more of the population can't pull off pronouncing the "S" before the "K"?

Bitch on!

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Not just food. Some people describe certain pieces of "art" as an aquired taste.

I just call it crap.

That's rather dumb

Some great pieces of art can only be fully understood in the context of the tradition that precedes them. If you aren't aware of the subtle references and jokes they contain, you probably won't be able to appreciate them. Judging them to be "crap" because your own knowledge falls short, however, is really quite shallow.

It's a bit like a teen who tries to read a book by someone like Dostoevsky, Tolstoy or Céline, doesn't understand it, gets bored and decides the book is crap. Obviously, the teen in question is wrong - the problem isn't the book he tried to read, the problem is the teen himself.

The works of Gustav Mahler, James Joyce and Pablo Picasso aren't as accessible as those of Britney Spears, Dan Brown and Anne Geddes. However, judging the former to be of lesser artistic value than the latter for that reason would be sheer idiocy.

[GigoloShawn]

...many people would say this about Guinness.

I think I just blew your dissertation.

[Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE]

This thread is an acquired taste.

[XPays]

this thread needs more mango

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Libertine

That's rather dumb

Some great pieces of art can only be fully understood in the context of the tradition that precedes them. If you aren't aware of the subtle references and jokes they contain, you probably won't be able to appreciate them. Judging them to be "crap" because your own knowledge falls short, however, is really quite shallow.

It's a bit like a teen who tries to read a book by someone like Dostoevsky, Tolstoy or Céline, doesn't understand it, gets bored and decides the book is crap. Obviously, the teen in question is wrong - the problem isn't the book he tried to read, the problem is the teen himself.

The works of Gustav Mahler, James Joyce and Pablo Picasso aren't as accessible as those of Britney Spears, Dan Brown and Anne Geddes. However, judging the former to be of lesser artistic value than the latter for that reason would be sheer idiocy.

It's dumb only in the context that one didn't understand what kind of so-called "art" I had in mind when I posted the comment. What's also "dumb" my friend is assuming I meant all alternative or otherwise different types of art, especially when in fact I didn't. But if you really wanted to know what I meant you might have asked rather than opening with the not at all surprising insult gambit.

I'm sorry but, for example, a handful of metal hospital bedpans welded together along with a congested mass of other metalic odds and ends, old water pipes and toilet drains, purchased for say $100K and put on display in the main entrance of a large building, is in my view quite simply... crap.

Same with someone who slathers themselves with paint and wallows around like a pig in a sty for a while and then passes it off as art. Complete crap. People who pretend to appreciate such crap would just as likely buy a wall full of used asswipe if it was signed with the right name.

Visual art is at it's core a matter of taste. You're of course free to enjoy that kind of "art" if that's your thing. I won't be so impudent as to call such people's opinion "dumb", but I reserve the right to maintain my opinion the thing itself is crap.

I hope it's more obvious as to the kind of art I was referring to in my earlier post.

Thank you.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

It's dumb only in the context that one didn't understand what kind of so-called "art" I had in mind when I posted the comment. What's also "dumb" my friend is assuming I meant all alternative or otherwise different types of art, especially when in fact I didn't. But if you really wanted to know what I meant you might have asked rather than opening with the not at all surprising insult gambit.

I'm sorry but, for example, a handful of metal hospital bedpans welded together along with a congested mass of other metalic odds and ends, old water pipes and toilet drains, purchased for say $100K and put on display in the main entrance of a large building, is in my view quite simply... crap.

Same with someone who slathers themselves with paint and wallows around like a pig in a sty for a while and then passes it off as art. Complete crap. People who pretend to appreciate such crap would just as likely buy a wall full of used asswipe if it was signed with the right name.

Visual art is at it's core a matter of taste. You're of course free to enjoy that kind of "art" if that's your thing. I won't be so impudent as to call such people's opinion "dumb", but I reserve the right to maintain my opinion the thing itself is crap.

I hope it's more obvious as to the kind of art I was referring to in my earlier post.

Thank you.

The type of art you're referring to is exactly as obvious as in your previous post: the type you don't like, and which other people refer to as an acquired taste.

You posted in a thread that attacks the idea of there being such a thing as acquired taste, implicitly agreed with it, and stated it applies to art as well.

If what you were actually trying to say was that in art, acquired taste is a key concept for the appreciation of many pieces, but that occasionally, the term gets abused to defend pieces not worth defending, then I fully agree with you. I'd also say that you did a rather bad job at getting your point across.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Libertine

I'd also say that you did a rather bad job at getting your point across.

Agreed.

But had you continued reading down to posts 9 and 13 you'd have had the clearer indication of my meaning you were looking for.

[Lane]

'acquired taste' is very real.

Just because some people misuse the term doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Libertine

You posted in a thread that attacks the idea of there being such a thing as acquired taste, implicitly agreed with it,

Incorrect. I simply refrained from disagreeing with it.

Fact is I think there actually are several foods that can be considered an aquired taste, but not in the context of it being the snobbish elitist thing that pleasurepays makes it out to be, but rather that some things just take getting used to for some people.

The bottom line is one man's ass is another man's caviar. Okay bad analogy. Help me out here, you're the insightful one with the higher appreciation for bedpan art. :D

[Manowar]

this thread makes me want a curry

[robfantasy]

"hollaaa"
"thats money"
"one"
"hoss"
"whats really good"
"are you serious"
"you got to be kidding me"
"granted"

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Agreed.

But had you continued reading down to posts 9 and 13 you'd have had the clearer indication of my meaning you were looking for.

Duchamp's Fountain actually is a pretty good example of what I was talking about. To understand and appreciate it, you have to know the context. But once you are fully aware of the context, calling it "crap" becomes impossible, ridiculous even.

I hate that thing with a passion, but "crap" is a term which doesn't fit. Had it been made 20 years ago instead of 90 years ago, the term might have been a fitting one. Had others done similar things before Duchamp, again, the term might have been a fitting one.

As it is, though, it's possibly the most influential piece of art of the 20th century. Looking back now and saying "meh, it's crap" takes its influence for granted, and measures it against a standard which did not exist when it was created.

You have to take the historical context into account to appreciate it. In order to do that, you need to know the historical context.

Just like you need historical context in order to, say, appreciate medieval paintings which lack proper perspective.

[WinstonTriplexcash]

Sort of reminds me of this

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=puns

[GigoloShawn]

I started using sports metaphors to make fun of people around me who used them a decade ago who never had any interest in sports, but wanted to make "having a meeting" sound more epic. Now I subconsciously use them.


...lets touch base on Monday.

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Duchamp's Fountain actually is a pretty good example of what I was talking about. To understand and appreciate it, you have to know the context. But once you are fully aware of the context, calling it "crap" becomes impossible, ridiculous even.

I should have said I wanted to take a crap IN it. That might have been clearer for you. My apologies again for being so obscure.

Originally Posted by Libertine

I hate that thing with a passion, but "crap" is a term which doesn't fit.

For you maybe. For me it fit perfectly, and was a lot simpler to type than what you've thrown at it.

Originally Posted by Libertine

Had it been made 20 years ago instead of 90 years ago, the term might have been a fitting one. Had others done similar things before Duchamp, again, the term might have been a fitting one.

Again, appreciation for any visual art piece is a subjective thing, and is going to change from person to person. A roomful of art nuts who are prone to loving anything put before them are going to rave about it and yak about it's "historical context", while display it on a busy sidewalk and I'd hazard a guess that most will be tempted to piss in it, or on it. They certainly wouldn't pay money for it.

Originally Posted by Libertine

As it is, though, it's possibly the most influential piece of art of the 20th century.

Okay then.

(I'm trying not to laugh but losing the fight badly)

Originally Posted by Libertine

Looking back now and saying "meh, it's crap" takes its influence for granted, and measures it against a standard which did not exist when it was created.

Whatever. I know crap when I see it. I can also accept the reality that not every kind of art is going to appeal to everyone, and that it's probably a big waste of time trying to convince them an upside-down urinal with a signature on it is important.

Originally Posted by Libertine

You have to take the historical context into account to appreciate it. In order to do that, you need to know the historical context.

I'm quite sure the history of that particular urinal isn't a mystery.

Originally Posted by Libertine

Just like you need historical context in order to, say, appreciate medieval paintings which lack proper perspective.

I can't recall ever attributing the word crap to such bonified works of art. Again, at least two others in this thread picked up on my intended meaning. Why you didn't is beyond me, but I rather suspect you were very likely just on here looking for an excuse to argue. Am I right? I think I am. :D

[Tom_PM]

I never salt food, never have. If you are a normal food salter and tried my food, you'd bitch that it was "bland" or "tasteless" and thats because you have "AQUIRED" a "TASTE" for salt. And salt immunity/aquisition-of-taste builds on itself. The more you salt, the more you WILL salt. ad infinitum.

[After Shock Media]

...here goes.
"leaving money on the table"
"stand up guy"
"straight shooter"
"FTW"
"Moar"
"/thread"
"thinking outside the box"
"owned"
"give me your opinion" - then get defensive when you do.
"What (crisis/issue?)" - insert spam.
"Lolz" - especially when it is mundane at best.
"all third person press releases"
"record sales (week, period, month, day) for me/us"
"see sig"
"spam- we convert (whatever type) traffic great"
"flipping burgers"
"working for McDonald's"
"the whole bro conspiracy"
"shaving" - yup it is always shaving. Never nothing else.
"Maverick" - sorry its new but holy shit. Makes me want to punch kittens.

[RedShoe]

Aside from titty milk... everything is an acquired taste. Stupids.