Gun experts: opinion please

[baddog]

Springfield XD9, with 16 round clips. You like, dislike, never shot?

[J. Falcon]

I reckon you can kill someone with it. You're good

[sltr]

i've shot that gun at the gun club, it's a springfield, so it is quality. and you certainly want 16 rounds if you plan on self-defense with a 9mm.

that being said, i went with the glock equivalent, the glock19, it is just as solid but a better price

for real and certain stopping power, i'd go with a .45acp

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by sltr

i've shot that gun at the gun club, it's a springfield, so it is quality. and you certainly want 16 rounds if you plan on self-defense with a 9mm.

that being said, i went with the glock equivalent, the glock19, it is just as solid but a better price

for real and certain stopping power, i'd go with a .45acp

I loved my Glock 19. sold it before I moved to TN.

[Pete-KT]

Why a 9mm, im just asking because if you shoot a big guy with it its gonna slow him down but not knock him over, why not a .40 cal?

[AdPatron]

Originally Posted by sltr

i've shot that gun at the gun club, it's a springfield, so it is quality.

But not made by them. Croatia!

I do own two. One I keep with me for carry. I would suggest making improvements, like a new rod.

[geedub]

Pretty decent pistol, go with a .45ACP though I've shot both

[baddog]

Originally Posted by sltr

i've shot that gun at the gun club, it's a springfield, so it is quality. and you certainly want 16 rounds if you plan on self-defense with a 9mm.

that being said, i went with the glock equivalent, the glock19, it is just as solid but a better price

I am getting it at a discount price, complete with extra magazines, holsters, case, ammo. Will be about the same as the bare bones Glock.

[sltr]

Originally Posted by JoesTraffic

But not made by them. Croatia!

I do own two. One I keep with me for carry. I would suggest making improvements, like a new rod.

no shit eh? i didn't realize that, i guess i assumed all SA guns were still manufactured here.

[AdPatron]

Originally Posted by Pete-KT

Why a 9mm, im just asking because if you shoot a big guy with it its gonna slow him down but not knock him over, why not a .40 cal?

I do like my 45 better though.

[AdPatron]

Originally Posted by sltr

no shit eh? i didn't realize that, i guess i assumed all SA guns were still manufactured here.

Oh yeah. Even has "croatia" stamped on the top.

[ungratefulninja]

I have the Glock and my dad has the Springfield. I like shooting both. His Springfield has the grip safety and the trigger safety is a little different. We've owned them both for a couple years with zero issues. If you can get a better deal on the XD, I'd go for it.

[SkeetSkeet]

own it and love it ;)

[pornguy]

Glock is lethal tupperware.

If you want a good quality weapon that you can trust in ANY Combat condition, then you need an H and K 40.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by baddog

Springfield XD9, with 16 round clips. You like, dislike, never shot?

Good weapon. What caliber and size?

[sltr]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Glock is lethal tupperware.

If you want a good quality weapon that you can trust in ANY Combat condition, then you need an H and K 40.

fyi- the H K is plastic too

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Glock is lethal tupperware.

If you want a good quality weapon that you can trust in ANY Combat condition, then you need an H and K 40.

I have an HK 40 USP. And it's a fine weapon.

But if I want to carry a weapon that I can trust in any condition, I'd carry a GLOCK.

This is a must if you are looking for a GLOCK to read.

http://www.theprepared.com/index.php...ask=view&id=90

[Iscari0t]

It's a solid gun, and if it feels good in your hand and shoots a half-decent grouping, I'd say go with it. I like the .40 SiIGs, myself, but they're a lot pricier, and I don't know if they're worth the extra cash in this economy.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

9mm = 13 shots + 1 in chamber if yer frosty.

.45 ya only got 8.

Fact is ya only need 1 to land to make a difference.
9mm is my choice.

[BradM]

I don't like to shoot a 9mm. It's far too small. For what feels like 10% more recoil you can rest your hands on a .40

I've shot a lot of handgun brands and calibers, but not very frequently. So I am basing this off of 9mm, 40, 45 and 357 magnum. The 357 is too fucking huge and impractical for self defense IMO. The 40 or 45 is perfect.

I've never fired specials or anything of that nature.

[AdPatron]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

9mm = 13 shots + 1 in chamber if yer frosty.

We've upgraded.... 16 in the mag, 1 in the cham... 17!

How many 22 rounds does it take?

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Good weapon. What caliber and size?

9mm, police issue is about as much as I know right now. It will be here on the 7th.

Originally Posted by Iscari0t

It's a solid gun, and if it feels good in your hand and shoots a half-decent grouping, I'd say go with it. I like the .40 SiIGs, myself, but they're a lot pricier, and I don't know if they're worth the extra cash in this economy.

I used to have a P230, and loved it. That sucker was expensive though. I think I paid more than $500 for it, and that was 15+ years ago.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

9mm = 13 shots + 1 in chamber if yer frosty.

Cops can get 16 + 1. That's what I am getting.

[sltr]

i shoot my old man's 357 when we shoot together and i pretty much have 1 shot with that fucker, the recoil is ridiculous. it is fun to shoot though

[DirtyDanza]

I personally do not like the 9mm but the gun is a great a gun.. XD is what I carry CCW personally.. I have the xd40 sub compact..

one of my partners carries a full size xd40... all and all great weapon and has won many awards

go rent one and shoot it see if you like it...

I have my opinions on what weapon one should carry but all and all it comes down to personal feel..

I would never carry a cal that does not start with 4 to stop a human being with 1 shot keep that in mind...

I'm a fantastic shot.. NRA certified expert with handguns and I highly doubt in a situation I would have the time to sight the perfect 1 shot stop with a small bullet

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by baddog

9mm, police issue is about as much as I know right now. It will be here on the 7th.



I used to have a P230, and loved it. That sucker was expensive though. I think I paid more than $500 for it, and that was 15+ years ago.

when you say 9mm police issue on the XD .. the XD really does not have a police issue.. in fact in here vegas they just approved them for dps

no matter what you will like the weapon.. how are you going to carry that in california with a 16 rd mag? peoples republic states 10 is most...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

I'm a fantastic shot.. NRA certified expert with handguns and I highly doubt in a situation I would have the time to sight the perfect 1 shot stop with a small bullet

I just shoot until the mag is empty. I don't care if you are down or not.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by JoesTraffic

We've upgraded.... 16 in the mag, 1 in the cham... 17!

How many 22 rounds does it take?

Well my SW M&P only does 10 rounds

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

when you say 9mm police issue on the XD .. the XD really does not have a police issue.. in fact in here vegas they just approved them for dps

no matter what you will like the weapon.. how are you going to carry that in california with a 16 rd mag? peoples republic states 10 is most...

Maybe it is the 16 round mag that is police issue then. I can't get a CCW here anyway, so doesn't really matter if it is 10 or 16. And it is not approved at at least one PD, which is why I am getting it.

[sltr]

so is the frame size different or is it just a 16 round mag? most law enforcement bureaus recommend 40 cal these days

[sltr]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Well my SW M&P only does 10 rounds

that's a nice weapon, which caliber? i've shot the .40 and the 9mm version of this gun

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by sltr

that's a nice weapon, which caliber? i've shot the .40 and the 9mm version of this gun

9MM I have always liked 9MM. I learned on a .45 though but Target Practice is a bitch with a .45 to much coil for over an hour of shooting. 9MM works alot better and the ammo is cheaper.

No one shoots in an emergency for an hour sustained swapping clips unless its warzone

And if ya using a pistol in a warzone you are in a world of hurt.

I am not a gun freak though, I just keep mine in the bedroom.

[Vendzilla]

9mm just doesn't cut it, get a dude on crank and you'll have mto empty the clip to bring him down, a S&W.40 doesn't have that problem and a Colt 45 sends them sailing backwards. I have a Model 410 S&W .40 , love it

[MannyJ]

I will defiantly go with the Springfield XD9, with 16 round clips over the Glock.

You should also check out the Walther P99.

[InternetIsForPorn]

I love my Desert Eagle... and Beretta... and the P90... and the USP... shit I have an arsenal. Great for shooting beavers, hate those fuckers chopping down my trees that fall on the wires.

Never used a Springfield though.

[GT-Omar]

Originally Posted by MannyJ

You should also check out the Walther P99.

That's what I have in full black, but here's a pic. Best gun I have ever shot. It comes in a 9mm, and a .40 cal I have the .40, and have shot the 9mm, and there is hardly any difference in the shot.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by baddog

Maybe it is the 16 round mag that is police issue then. I can't get a CCW here anyway, so doesn't really matter if it is 10 or 16. And it is not approved at at least one PD, which is why I am getting it.

in california you can only carry 10rds max ccw or no ccw.. for anything... when you buy guns elswhere it says on the box not legal in california...

[MannyJ]

Originally Posted by GT-Omar

That's what I have in full black, but here's a pic. Best gun I have ever shot. It comes in a 9mm, and a .40 cal I have the .40, and have shot the 9mm, and there is hardly any difference in the shot.

I have owned one for over four years, fired couple thousand rounds and it never has jammed..

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

in california you can only carry 10rds max ccw or no ccw.. for anything... when you buy guns elswhere it says on the box not legal in california...

Unless you are a cop.

[DirtyDanza]

Originally Posted by baddog

Unless you are a cop.

make sure you got your badge on you if you get stopped

[baddog]

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

make sure you got your badge on you if you get stopped

Shops can only sell them to cops. Cops can give gifts.

[AndreaM]

SigSauer 9mm P229 DAK 20 round mag

[mikesouth]

to all the people saying a 9mm has insufficient stopping power...well yer all idiots.

If you cant put a 9MM hollow point in the guys head at 30 feet you shouldnt be shooting anyway.

It isn't the size of the bullet that matters, it's the placement, at least with handguns.

You should be more concerned about the accuracy of the weapon and it's effective range, these weapons aren't much good at any distance, if you want better accuracy over a longer distance go for a wheel gun with a longer barrel.

[sandman!]

i got one next time your in chicago we can go to the range and you can try it out.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

to all the people saying a 9mm has insufficient stopping power...well yer all idiots.

If you cant put a 9MM hollow point in the guys head at 30 feet you shouldnt be shooting anyway.

It isn't the size of the bullet that matters, it's the placement, at least with handguns.

You should be more concerned about the accuracy of the weapon and it's effective range, these weapons aren't much good at any distance, if you want better accuracy over a longer distance go for a wheel gun with a longer barrel.

Are you suggesting that it isn't much good for snipers?

[sandman!]

Originally Posted by sltr

no shit eh? i didn't realize that, i guess i assumed all SA guns were still manufactured here.

The XD line is just sold my springfield they never made them has allways been the same plan in croatia making them....

[baddog]

Originally Posted by sandman!

i got one next time your in chicago we can go to the range and you can try it out.

Well, my next visit will be when it is cold out there, so hope it is an indoor range.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

to all the people saying a 9mm has insufficient stopping power...well yer all idiots.

If you cant put a 9MM hollow point in the guys head at 30 feet you shouldnt be shooting anyway.

It isn't the size of the bullet that matters, it's the placement, at least with handguns.

You should be more concerned about the accuracy of the weapon and it's effective range, these weapons aren't much good at any distance, if you want better accuracy over a longer distance go for a wheel gun with a longer barrel.

I would submit that in a combat situation, the chances of getting a clean head shot fast are not very good, between the less than perfect situation, (re: lighting, movement, body position, etc...), and the fact that your adrenal glands are pumping like fire hoses, your shot placement accuracy will drop on average of AT LEAST 20%.

(Speaking here as ex-army, ex-MCSO reserve deputy, and having read a bit on the subject).

With all that being said, I personally carry a Ruger P90 .45acp. Built like a boat anchor, never had a stoppage, always goes where I point it.

[sandman!]

Originally Posted by baddog

Well, my next visit will be when it is cold out there, so hope it is an indoor range.

for an outdoor one would have to drive to Indiana

i got a indoor range 10 min's from home here there are probably a few around goodgirl also.

[sltr]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

to all the people saying a 9mm has insufficient stopping power...well yer all idiots.

If you cant put a 9MM hollow point in the guys head at 30 feet you shouldnt be shooting anyway.

It isn't the size of the bullet that matters, it's the placement, at least with handguns.

You should be more concerned about the accuracy of the weapon and it's effective range, these weapons aren't much good at any distance, if you want better accuracy over a longer distance go for a wheel gun with a longer barrel.

you have no idea what you are talking about. let's see you get woken up at 3 am, stumble out of bed and zero in on a 8x8 inch target at 30 feet and nail it in 1 shot, in any # of shots.

bottom line, the best home protection weapon is a shotgun, such as my remington 880