Zogby: Mccain moves into lead 48-47

[spunkmaster]

ZOGBY Saturday:


McCain outpolled Obama 48% to 47% in Friday, one day, polling. He is beginning to cut into Obama's lead among independents, is now leading among blue collar voters, has strengthened his lead among investors and among men, and is walloping Obama among NASCAR voters. Joe the Plumber may get his license after all...

[After Shock Media]

Just so I am in most of these threads - WTF is a NASCAR voter? Guess it is something else I should look up.

[tony286]

thats it john won

[After Shock Media]

Doing research. Anyone know on the East coast. Is NASCAR popular or even done in New Hampshire? Only asking cause I found an article that talks about NASCAR voters and New Hampshire.

[pocketkangaroo]

What is a NASCAR voter?

[thehand]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Just so I am in most of these threads - WTF is a NASCAR voter? Guess it is something else I should look up.

[Porn Ass]

LOL nice

[After Shock Media]

Ah I get it, it is a badly thought out stereotype of a mix between a redneck and someone who likes to watch NASCAR.

Why isn't anyone going after the NFL voters or any other fairly large sport that is made up of a wide demographic of people?

PS. Is there any NASCAR in New Hampshire? Still curious and is it big there?

[psili]

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[spunkmaster]

One of the reasons Bill Clinton (Bubba) won against Bush I was because he got the Nascar Vote !

Nascar is the most watched sport in the US and it's even bigger then the NFL.

[thehand]

Originally Posted by psili

Your Races: Track the ones you care about most
Dems lead way in early voting
Acclaimed author Studs Terkel dies at 96
Police link found gun to Hudson killings
Ticker: McCain's state shifts on Electoral Map
Campbell Brown: Wait is small price for voting
Zakaria: Short celebration for next president
Halloween pardon sought for executed witches
Posh Spice to appear in Armani lingerie ads
Reign ends for 'King of the Hill'
CNN Hero of the Year: Vote now

CNN??? hahaha

[Gouge]

Originally Posted by spunkmaster

One of the reasons Bill Clinton (Bubba) won against Bush I was because he got the Nascar Vote !

Nascar is the most watched sport in the US and it's even bigger then the NFL.

How the hell can someone live in the US and not know what a NASCAR voter is, its pretty self explanatory.

[MandyBlake]

i will be watching all night tuesday

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Gouge

How the hell can someone live in the US and not know what a NASCAR voter is, its pretty self explanatory.

No it is not. I know what NASCAR is. I just had an issue turning them into a solid voting block sworn to one ideal or party. It is a fairly huge demographic that watches it after all.

[uno]

Originally Posted by MandyBlake

i will be watching all night tuesday

I'm trying to be pessimistic, but I believe it will not be a late night.

[mikesouth]

repeat after me

president elect Obama

it doesnt matter what a national poll says it matter what the electoral college sez

Obama 364 McCain 171 Ties 3

McCain just about CANT WIN

source

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[Matt 26z]

It is going to be so entertaining watching the Republicans cry about their loss.

I never listen to Rush, but the morning after is going to be so amazing.

[uno]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

It is going to be so entertaining watching the Republicans cry about their loss.

I never listen to Rush, but the morning after is going to be so amazing.

I plan to DVR, record, download everything I can and have entertainment for months from just the proceeding week.

[robfantasy]

real republican voters dont participate in bias bullshit polls by liberal media morons

only whiney liberals participate in polls, conservative republicans dont waste their time with such bullshit.

so obama is fucked if polls are saying mccain is ahead.


sorry self hating liberals

[KillerK]

They haven't called anyone I know for a poll. So they apparently are just polling people who want Obama.

How many free concerts did he have?

[split_joel]

Uhhhh i think that poll is way off, one poll i like to look at and not just for president elections is the gallup poll.

Registered Voters

Obama 52% +2
McCain 41% -1

Likely Voters

Obama 52% +1
McCain 43% -1

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

If McCaine wins there is going to be some serious shit hitting fan...

The kind of shit that will tear America into 2 or 3 parts with a civil war.

I got no doubts about it. THere are very large parts of America that right now will pull from the Union and fight for its own freedom. California and Alskas being just two of them where there are political forces moving towards Independence from a broken Nation.

I myself am a member of a local Militia. I would fight and die for California independence. THe current system of Government in America is Corrupt current leaders need to be held for Treason and Violations of the Geneva convention.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

real republican voters dont participate in bias bullshit polls by liberal media morons

That's hilarious. It's amazing the spewage that some people will make up to explain away anything.

So anyway, by your logic, the results should have been 100 to 0 then, right? Since the republican voters simply wouldn't have participated

[split_joel]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

If McCaine wins there is going to be some serious shit hitting fan...

The kind of shit that will tear America into 2 or 3 parts with a civil war.

I got no doubts about it. THere are very large parts of America that right now will pull from the Union and fight for its own freedom. California and Alskas being just two of them where there are political forces moving towards Independence from a broken Nation.

I myself am a member of a local Militia. I would fight and die for California independence. THe current system of Government in America is Corrupt current leaders need to be held for Treason and Violations of the Geneva convention.

With all due respect are you high?

We would all die if we tried to fight for independence from the rest of the country. You can try but ud have to get half the states to join up with you before that happends.

[EscortBiz]

Originally Posted by alienq

if mccaine wins there is going to be some serious shit hitting fan...

The kind of shit that will tear america into 2 or 3 parts with a civil war.

I got no doubts about it. There are very large parts of america that right now will pull from the union and fight for its own freedom. California and alskas being just two of them where there are political forces moving towards independence from a broken nation.

I myself am a member of a local militia. I would fight and die for california independence. The current system of government in america is corrupt current leaders need to be held for treason and violations of the geneva convention.

lol happy halloween

[seeandsee]

lolllllllllllllllllll

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by split_joel

With all due respect are you high?

We would all die if we tried to fight for independence from the rest of the country. You can try but ud have to get half the states to join up with you before that happends.

NO dude its true.
It even came up in the election debates, and came up in the whole deal about Palin. Palin was involved with a group that had interests in pulling out of the Union of The United States. Alaska is not the only state in the Union to feel that way there are several.

You may be in a populated area of California but out in the sticks and back roads of California there is a surprising number of Militant groups and politically funded groups that aim for a California to break from the Union. Just like Alaska and Texas, and many parts of the South. Alot of it never makes the news and why should it? Fact is there are alot of People in California that would welcome Independence.

[kane]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

If McCaine wins there is going to be some serious shit hitting fan...

The kind of shit that will tear America into 2 or 3 parts with a civil war.

I got no doubts about it. THere are very large parts of America that right now will pull from the Union and fight for its own freedom. California and Alskas being just two of them where there are political forces moving towards Independence from a broken Nation.

I myself am a member of a local Militia. I would fight and die for California independence. THe current system of Government in America is Corrupt current leaders need to be held for Treason and Violations of the Geneva convention.

There will be uproad, anger, riots, lawsuit and all kinds of other things. There will be no civil war. There will be no splitting of the country. There will be militia taking over parts of the country and pulling from the union. Here is what will happen. Wednesday morning, most people will get up and go to work. They will complain to their friends and co-workers and they will curse and swear and many of them may choose to not vote for a long time, but there will be no civil war.

[kane]

Originally Posted by split_joel

Uhhhh i think that poll is way off, one poll i like to look at and not just for president elections is the gallup poll.

Registered Voters

Obama 52% +2
McCain 41% -1

Likely Voters

Obama 52% +1
McCain 43% -1

This guy really knows how the polls work and he has a great article on how the Zogby polls are often inaccurate and slanted one way or the other. This article actually talks about this poll and explains how it is wrong. So when you say the poll is way off you are probably right on point.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/...-or-treat.html

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Ya guys think it is far fetched but it really is not.

California is hardly the only state to have organizations that wish to pull from the Union.
These Organizations have lot's of money they are well financed and have the plans to carry out Separatist politic's that will eventually remove a state from the Union.
Not with blood but with penstrokes.

And should blood arise there are indeed foriegn interests as well.

The USA is not Impregnable, the USA is merely a hodge Podge of territories that merely agree to working within the Union. Disagreeing to work with the Union is not a declaration of war. It is a declaration of non-confidence in the federal system of government.

California power players are about ready to throw down the non confidence card and for people not privy to the reality of the situation face a serious wake up call.

[kane]

Originally Posted by spunkmaster

One of the reasons Bill Clinton (Bubba) won against Bush I was because he got the Nascar Vote !

Nascar is the most watched sport in the US and it's even bigger then the NFL.

Actually it isn't even close. There are many who believe it ranks pretty low on the ratings and popularity list.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_pro...n_popul arity

According to this it is 6th even behind college football and college basketball.

According to the ratings for this last week Nascar ranked 7th and had around 1/3rd the viewers of football.

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve...sports,00.html

Nascar is big in some areas, and it is popular, but it is far from the most watched sport in the country.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

The USA is not Impregnable, the USA is merely a hodge Podge of territories that merely agree to working within the Union.

Do the voices in your head ever just say "seriously, maybe it's time to shut up now." ?

[kane]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Ya guys think it is far fetched but it really is not.

California is hardly the only state to have organizations that wish to pull from the Union.
These Organizations have lot's of money they are well financed and have the plans to carry out Separatist politic's that will eventually remove a state from the Union.
Not with blood but with penstrokes.

And should blood arise there are indeed foriegn interests as well.

The USA is not Impregnable, the USA is merely a hodge Podge of territories that merely agree to working within the Union. Disagreeing to work with the Union is not a declaration of war. It is a declaration of non-confidence in the federal system of government.

California power players are about ready to throw down the non confidence card and for people not privy to the reality of the situation face a serious wake up call.

I used to work with a guy that talked like this and told me every week about how things like this were going to happen soon. He would bring me in newsletters and he had bunker and was part of a militia and was teaching his kids "the truth" about the country and preparing them for the soon to come uprising. That was 10 years ago and nothing has happened yet. Sure, there are angry groups. Sure they talk a good game and in the end they do nothing because they are powerless to do anything.

But let's humor ourselves for a minute and say California did jump ship. a rogue group stormed the governors office and something happened and it was going to pull away from the union and suddenly things got bloody and as you said a foreign interest got involved. First off, most of the people in the state would leave. They would flee to other states and if they were forced to stay the state would be in chaos. How many of those that stayed would be willing to fight? Not many I can assure you. They talk tough and have a shotgun then they see a tank and things change. So they would involve other nations. Who? China? Do you really think China would enter into a world war (and that is what you would get) to help California pull away from the union? Not a chance. China is working its ass off to take us over with its money, its not going to jeopardize that with military action. Russia? Yeah because they would love the idea of NATO rushing into their homeland from Europe. Again, if any major country that had enough of a military to actually threaten the US rushed in and fought to defend a pulling away California it would find itself in a world war and for what? A piece of land that will then either be mostly empty or blown to hell and back. If it were a smaller country, say a Venezuela or a Cuba or even an Iran. That country would find itself being bombed back to the stone age. Park a couple of air craft carries off the cost and rain metal of them for awhile and see how that changes a persons mind.

The reality of what would happen if McCain wins is that he would be the lamest of the lame duck presidents in history. The democrats who will control the house and senate (maybe even a filibuster proof 60 seat senate) would make it their mission to see that he got nothing done and he would be forced to play along with them if he wanted anything resembling power. This would cause him to get so pissed he would have stroke around year 2 and we would get president Palin and the senate and congress would have such a tight leash on her she would have to ask permission to shit. And California? They will go on churning out movies and wine and doing what they do.

[EmpireAutopilot]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

It is going to be so entertaining watching the Republicans cry about their loss.

I never listen to Rush, but the morning after is going to be so amazing.

I can't wait to see Hannity's head explode. This retard spunkmaster too, I guess.

[kane]

Originally Posted by EmpireAutopilot

I can't wait to see Hannity's head explode. This retard spunkmaster too, I guess.

I actually think the Hannitys and Limbaughs of the world are secretly happy. Obama wins and he is admittedly liberal and they now have at least 4 years of solid job security as they tear him apart and write books about how horrible he is and how the country is falling apart under him and all the conservatives will buy them in droves and make them more and more money. It is harder for him if McCain wins and actually does a good job. IF he has nothing to complain about, he has nothing to sell.

[Manowar]

its so fucking close rgith now

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Just so I am in most of these threads - WTF is a NASCAR voter? Guess it is something else I should look up.

If you take a Zogby poll one of the last questions they ask is "Are you a NASCAR fan?" Or at least they have asked me that.

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Doing research. Anyone know on the East coast. Is NASCAR popular or even done in New Hampshire? Only asking cause I found an article that talks about NASCAR voters and New Hampshire.

Im from New England and yes New Hampshire has one of the biggest NASCAR races of the seasons.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by kane

I actually think the Hannitys and Limbaughs of the world are secretly happy. Obama wins and he is admittedly liberal and they now have at least 4 years of solid job security as they tear him apart and write books about how horrible he is and how the country is falling apart under him and all the conservatives will buy them in droves and make them more and more money. It is harder for him if McCain wins and actually does a good job. IF he has nothing to complain about, he has nothing to sell.

THis is Accurate
The conservative sensationalists have had very little to discuss as of late, they need new material and an Oblama Presidency is just what these guys are going to need for job security..

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

If you take a Zogby poll one of the last questions they ask is "Are you a NASCAR fan?" Or at least they have asked me that.



Im from New England and yes New Hampshire has one of the biggest NASCAR races of the seasons.

Thanks, I have looked into most of it earlier. Which just pushed the idea of it beign a large demographic over a small concentrated one which could in theory share many of the same ideals.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Why isn't anyone going after the NFL voters or any other fairly large sport that is made up of a wide demographic of people?

Unfortunately I think McCain and Obama are going to make an appearance during this Monday Night football game.

[~Ray]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

PS. Is there any NASCAR in New Hampshire? Still curious and is it big there?

http://www.nhms.com/

[Snake Doctor]

That's one day of tracking, there's a reason they post a 3 or 4 day moving average in tracking polls....and even then they fluctuate wildly.

The latest cspan/zogby/reuters poll (through 10/31) has Obama up 5.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...34134020081101

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

real republican voters dont participate in bias bullshit polls by liberal media morons

only whiney liberals participate in polls, conservative republicans dont waste their time with such bullshit.

so obama is fucked if polls are saying mccain is ahead.


sorry self hating liberals

Let the holy spirit return to the white house! Let God tell us Conservative Republicans that War is good, Abortions kill the innocent and every kid in the inner city gets an AK at birth! God save the United States!


Going to suck when you have to kiss the rings of your new king.

[Ethersync]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

repeat after me

president elect Obama

it doesnt matter what a national poll says it matter what the electoral college sez

Obama 364 McCain 171 Ties 3

McCain just about CANT WIN

source

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[crockett]

NASCAR voters are another word for trailer trash that votes Republican, because they don't like no liberal around there. Liberals want to take their guns!

Personally I say all these polls are BS.. So many people have voip phones these days (I know I used to install them) and cell phones that the traditional polls just aren't that accurate anymore IMHO. I know I haven't had a land line phone in about 10 years. Most younger voters have cell phones and they never get polled.

[DAMNMAN]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

real republican voters dont participate in bias bullshit polls by liberal media morons

only whiney liberals participate in polls, conservative republicans dont waste their time with such bullshit.

so obama is fucked if polls are saying mccain is ahead.


sorry self hating liberals

I would venture to say that these polls do not include the huge ammount of young people who registered to vote just for Obama either.
These kids are too busy playing their Wiis to participate in things that don't matter.
They will however be there to vote because they are afraid of the Republicans in a bad way. And see their friends going to Iraq and dying. It affects them.

[spunkmaster]

Originally Posted by kane

Actually it isn't even close. There are many who believe it ranks pretty low on the ratings and popularity list.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_pro...n_popul arity

According to this it is 6th even behind college football and college basketball.

According to the ratings for this last week Nascar ranked 7th and had around 1/3rd the viewers of football.

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve...sports,00.html

Nascar is big in some areas, and it is popular, but it is far from the most watched sport in the country.

ABOUT NASCAR

The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing, Inc. (NASCAR), celebrating 60 years in 2008, is the sanctioning body for one of North America's premier sports.

NASCAR is the No. 1 spectator sport -- holding 17 of the top 20 highest-attended sporting events in the U.S., and is the No. 2-rated regular season sport on television. NASCAR races are broadcast in more than 150 countries and in more than 30 languages.

NASCAR fans are the most brand-loyal in all of sports, and as a result more Fortune 500 companies participate in NASCAR than any other sport.

NASCAR consists of three national series (the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, NASCAR Nationwide Series, and NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series), four regional series, and one local grassroots series, as well as two international series.

NASCAR sanctions more than 1,200 races at 100 tracks in more than 30 U.S. states, Canada and Mexico. Based in Daytona Beach (Fla.), NASCAR has offices in New York, Los Angeles, Charlotte (N.C.), Concord (N.C.), Conover (N.C.), Bentonville (Ark.), Mexico City, and Toronto.

[hypedough]

http://www.billbradley.com/

[RP Fade]

personally i can't wait for this to be over..

[Brujah]

Zogby's pretty smart.. the results fluctuate so wildly he doesn't have to worry about how wrong the poll is after the election.