Yahoo's days are numbered!

[interracialtoons]

I'm not saying that yahoo will cease to exist but I think they are going to be a non-player in the future. I don't really have a clear reason for this just a gut feeling based on what they are doing.

Yahoo fucked up when they started charging for inclusion into their directory. That was charging you to provide them with content. Their directory has all but died. It isn't worth shit to be included anymore.

Now they have a video section which hotlinks your fucking videos...of course I redirect to a pay site when the surfer clicks. But how stupid is this considering that they already had porn listings in the directory and all they had to do was accept gallery URLs and build the biggest TGP in the world.

Somehow I feel like these are moves of despiration from yahoo.

I think they fucked up Geocities. They shoud have left it as it was and just beefed up the services. The geocities "neighborhood" concept was a better approach.


Those companies that died in the "dot com bust" should start looking at things again. Bandwidth is at an all time low; new types and more surfers now; cheaper programmers available; more affiliate marketing and faster technology and better media tools. A company with some millions to spend could come in now with a solid approach and wipe yahoo off the map.
I think stuff like Utube and wikipedia are showing how to cut into the web market
and it's just a matter of time before somebody take yahoo on.

I think it's a good time to look for stock in upstart dot coms again.

[~Ray]

msn is helping keep Yahoo alive , google has very few friends.

[SmokeyTheBear]

im not saying yahoo will last forever , but they manage to do alot of services better than google or ones that google just doesnt deliver like CHAT

[baddog]

Thanks for the morning laugh

[pr0]

they def fucked up with the 5 gig limit on b/w.....

traffic coming to the site is worth more in advertising....than the $9.99 they hope to make off the owner for upgrading

[martinsc]

get of the drugs for a few hours....

[jollyperv]

I got tons of shit listed in yahoo and I didn't pay shit, and I'm talking new sites here. I didn't submit it either. Nor am I listed in Dmoz.

[jerseygto]

am now you know...and knowing is half the battle

[jollyperv]

The hotlinking thing is complete fucking bullshit, I don't see how they can get away with that shit.

[LiveDose]

Yahoo is your daddy.

[Ace_luffy]

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

msn is helping keep Yahoo alive , google has very few friends.

i hope so................

[alk3]

yahoo has been my homepage forever

[CybermedAndy]

I stopped paying for directory inclusion years ago, just not worth it anymore.

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by jollyperv

I got tons of shit listed in yahoo and I didn't pay shit, and I'm talking new sites here. I didn't submit it either. Nor am I listed in Dmoz.

I don't think you know what the Yahoo "directory" is and thus prove my point of how they fucked it up.

You are listed in the "search results". So is everybody else's bullshit.

Look above the yahoo search input box and click on "directory".
The directory made yahoo what it is because it reviewed all the submissions and therefore had more relevent results than other search engines. Now they give you the same shit as every other search engine.

When a site was first put into the yahoo directory it would recieve 10k hits a day for a shit category listing. Do you get 10k a day when you get listed now?

I'm talking about pre 1999 Yahoo directory...

Yahoo actually used to use Google to return "web search" results.

Instead of paying google all that money they should have hireed more site submission reviews. They had the edge in the directory game but not anymore.

In contrast wikipedia has zeroed in on "relevent result" when you put a term in there you immeditely get a correct answer. All wiki needs to do to eclipse yahoo is to include web results under their normal stuff plus add more web services/entertainment to the site.

[free4porn]

i prefer yahoo to google!

[Pleasurepays]

google will always win. they are the only ones with a clear vision, that have always had a clear vision... and a clear vision that works. they are not trying to make money by "doing stuff" as others continue to try to do.

they make money by providing the best user experience possible with no compromises.

[xxxice]

These are all valid points. To all the haters did you even read what he had to say. I expected more from some of the people on this board.

Thanks for one of the best threads in a while

[Manowar]

I doubt it, but some good points htere

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

google will always win. they are the only ones with a clear vision, that have always had a clear vision... and a clear vision that works. they are not trying to make money by "doing stuff" as others continue to try to do.

they make money by providing the best user experience possible with no compromises.

that used to be the case, isnt anymore.. they dont provide search results just for the search results anymore.. they intentionally let the results slip on certain keywords to drive more traffic to adwords..

[interracialtoons]

Originally Posted by pleasurepays

If we took all internet pornographers and turned them loose in the real world with 500K and said "ok, you have to build a business, any business... its up to you" - most would be broke in 3 months, with a really cool wardrobe and 2 wrecked ferraris in the driveway.

If you did that with the general public "all" of them would be broke but their wardrobe would would look like shit. So your point would be...

[Matt 26z]

Yahoo is so much more than just a search engine. They offer more services than any other site.... email, IM, auctions, photo sharing, news, stores, etc... They could remove the search engine entirely and still live on.

[xxxice]

Guys please read at least; the first part of the post

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

I'm not saying that yahoo will cease to exist but I think they are going to be a non-player in the future. I don't really have a clear reason for this just a gut feeling based on what they are doing.

[PSGuru]

Originally Posted by Matt 26z

Yahoo is so much more than just a search engine. They offer more services than any other site.... email, IM, auctions, photo sharing, news, stores, etc... They could remove the search engine entirely and still live on.

Yup... Some of the biggest sites right now are owned by Yahoo.

Flickr, del.icio.us... etc.

[mindoro]

Yahoo can´t go to a non-player. There are too many services with great effect and no other one offer it like yahoo.

Services Like Yahoo Games, Messager and many more.

Greetings

[Sosa]

yahoo is just fine

[Biggy]

Originally Posted by mindoro

Yahoo can´t go to a non-player. There are too many services with great effect and no other one offer it like yahoo.

Services Like Yahoo Games, Messager and many more.

Greetings

Finance & Fantasy Sports as well.

[interracialtoons]

What I mean by "non-player" is that the nightly prime time news will not give Yahoo stock quotes as a indication of internet power moves.

This is at least 5 years down the road; but time flys like a MoFo!

The internet will be just like everyother big biz. IBM used to be the desired PC but you can't even find them on a shelf now. Commadore 64? Can you say "play station" or XBOX!

Yahoo will still be around but they will not be the "leader" of the internet in 5 years...that I truly doubt.

In fact; the internet as we now know it will be challenged soon! I already know how it's going to happen, but I hope to get in on that deal so I'll keep my mouth shut on that subject.

[interracialtoons]

What I mean by "non-player" is that the nightly prime time news will not give Yahoo stock quotes as a indication of internet power moves.

This is at least 5 years down the road; but time flys like a MoFo!

The internet will be just like everyother big biz. IBM used to be the desired PC but you can't even find them on a shelf now. Commadore 64? Can you say "play station" or XBOX!

Yahoo will still be around but they will not be the "leader" of the internet in 5 years...that I truly doubt.

In fact; the internet as we now know it will be challenged soon! I already know how it's going to happen, but I hope to get in on that deal so I'll keep my mouth shut on that subject.

[Bliz]

Their directory has all but died. It isn't worth shit to be included anymore.

Maybe for adult, but new mainstream sites have plenty to gain. Good PR for fast inclusion in the Google serps.

[squishypimp]

google all the way baby!

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

What I mean by "non-player" is that the nightly prime time news will not give Yahoo stock quotes as a indication of internet power moves.

This is at least 5 years down the road; but time flys like a MoFo!

The internet will be just like everyother big biz. IBM used to be the desired PC but you can't even find them on a shelf now. Commadore 64? Can you say "play station" or XBOX!

Yahoo will still be around but they will not be the "leader" of the internet in 5 years...that I truly doubt.

In fact; the internet as we now know it will be challenged soon! I already know how it's going to happen, but I hope to get in on that deal so I'll keep my mouth shut on that subject.

internet 2? i hear yee, i doubt u will even get a look in

[Solid Bob]

Originally Posted by Bliz

Maybe for adult, but new mainstream sites have plenty to gain. Good PR for fast inclusion in the Google serps.

Can be accompished in a couple hours without Yahoo and for free. I don't agree with the OP but the directory isn't worth a flying fuck to anyone that knows what they are doing.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

msn is helping keep Yahoo alive , google has very few friends.

Google has few friends, and less competition. But you are not going to see Yahoo, or MSN, going anywhere. They will either hold, or continue to lose marketshare until a technology comes to boost it.

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

im not saying yahoo will last forever , but they manage to do alot of services better than google or ones that google just doesnt deliver like CHAT

Correct. Plus they have their music offshoot, and are partnered with SBC/AT&T or whatever acronymn they are now. So they have money coming in from a lot of directions.

Originally Posted by jollyperv

I got tons of shit listed in yahoo and I didn't pay shit, and I'm talking new sites here. I didn't submit it either. Nor am I listed in Dmoz.

Same here. After the first site almost 10 years ago. I haven't proactively sent them shit since.

The problem here is that Google makes money along the line while continueing to be innovative, and work on perfecting the algo...

Yahoo thinks about money, and getting paid first and foremost. Keeping up, or maintaining is secondary. Two different schools of thought. Obviously Google's is better. People pay to be on there, or deal with them, because they are continueing to tweek. Yahoo hasn't done much in the past 5-10 years different.

[msan]

I dunno but Yahoo's services are ok like webmails, groups, messenger. But as for their search engine, I never use it. I just use google.

[donross]

lets just see what happens next...

[TheJimmy]

Yahoo is fine but they do need to keep on their toes.

[chaze]

I agree they have about a 5 year shelf life before the stock practically dies.

We will see some new players soon though.

Maybe a buy it from MSN or Google will keep them alive but I would be surprised if either would buy it.

[xxxice]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/3d163758-47f...0779e2340.html

11% drop

[cheekycherry]

I would have made this argument years ago when everybody switched their search over to Google.

However, they are still here and going strong against my better judgement, so who knows. They might surprise you.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by baddog

Thanks for the morning laugh

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27570887

Baddog strikes a again...er, I mean strikes out again.

[Fletch XXX]

times change

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by interracialtoons

I think they fucked up Geocities. They shoud have left it as it was and just beefed up the services. The geocities "neighborhood" concept was a better approach.

No kidding, I remember how big Geocities was, mind you there wasn't much competition, but if they had the foresight to convert into a MySpace type format, there wouldn't be MySpace here today, hell it basically was already like that so it wasn't much of a jump.

It was cool having an "address" on the web, and the neat part was the specialized neighborhoods, alternative, gay, whatever. Was a rock solid idea, too bad to see it go to the generic crap fest as the web is now. I loved trolling through the "neighborhoods" looking at all the sites in some regions, you can't even begin to think about doing that today... and who would want to anyways.

[The Dawg]

Glad I sold their stock.

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

google will always win. they are the only ones with a clear vision, that have always had a clear vision... and a clear vision that works. they are not trying to make money by "doing stuff" as others continue to try to do.

they make money by providing the best user experience possible with no compromises.

Remind me to never consult you on SEO services. That is the most feeble minded response about Google I have ever seen on here to date. Did you seriously buy into their "do no evil" mantra? Yikes. They do plenty of evil, you just don't see it.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by baddog

Thanks for the morning laugh

That about sums it up.

To the O.P., I am not sure how long you have been in this game, but from the read, I would say not long. Yahoo has been charging for inclusion for years. Same with some of the other shit you mention.

GeoShitties? You must be fucking kidding referencing that shit toots. They killed that shit back in late 90's, early 2000 when changed their TOS, and charging, among other things.

I am not saying they have not fallen, because they have in ISOLATED parts of their business model, such as their ad network, search, among some other things. However, Yahoo is a PORTAL not just some search engine any more.

Comparing them apples to apples to Google is pure comedy.

[pigman]

Yahoo is inferior to Google.

[gornyhuy]

I hope they find a way to turn it around because their mainstream web services are generally superior and faster, and the license terms and APIs are generally better IMO than google.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

That about sums it up.

To the O.P., I am not sure how long you have been in this game, but from the read, I would say not long. Yahoo has been charging for inclusion for years. Same with some of the other shit you mention.

GeoShitties? You must be fucking kidding referencing that shit toots. They killed that shit back in late 90's, early 2000 when changed their TOS, and charging, among other things.

I am not saying they have not fallen, because they have in ISOLATED parts of their business model, such as their ad network, search, among some other things. However, Yahoo is a PORTAL not just some search engine any more.

Comparing them apples to apples to Google is pure comedy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27570887

That link makes you look kind of stupid dude.

[Sarah_Jayne]

I honestly can't remember the last time I used Yahoo to search for anything. However, I do end up on their page on most days for something or other..usually news. If I want to search I go to google.

[Iron Fist]

Their financial stuff is rock solid comnpared to Google... http://finance.yahoo.com

Googles look more like a cartoon.