End The Fed: November 22, 2008

[D Ghost]

The Federal Reserve Bank is the Cause of our Financial and Economic Crisis...

11.22.08
Rally to Support Sound Money for America!
Every Fed Bank. Every Fed Office.
Thirty-Nine Cities. One Purpose.

Boston Philadelphia NewYorkCity Washington,D.C. Buffalo Cleveland Cincinnati
Pittsburgh Richmond Baltimore Charlotte Atlanta Birmingham Jacksonville Miami
Nashville NewOrleans Chicago Detroit St.Louis LittleRock Louisville Memphis
Minneapolis Helena KansasCity Denver Oklahoma City Omaha Dallas ElPaso Houston
San Antonio San Francisco Los Angeles Phoenix Portland SaltLakeCity Seattle

Get involved in your area... http://endthefed.us/organize.php (list of groups/people to contact for your area)

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[Kudles]

Thanks for the info

[jwerd]

Bump for the cause

[D Ghost]

bump Sat. almost here

[James124]

If stuff like this gets enough attention, the powers that be will fuck your internetz!

[jwerd]

Let's keep monopoly money in the Monopoly Game! Bump for the cause!

[DWB]

Bump for a revolution.

In the meantime, I'm in Thailand exploiting their already fucked situation. :-)

[Martin]

Revolution!

[gornyhuy]

The list of endorsements on that page immediately discredits the movement.

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

The list of endorsements on that page immediately discredits the movement.

first pic I saw was ron paul, no thanks...

these kind of things are pointless, small groups of people showing up won't do any good at all. There aren't real alternatives.

[D Ghost]

Originally Posted by farkedup

first pic I saw was ron paul, no thanks...

these kind of things are pointless, small groups of people showing up won't do any good at all. There aren't real alternatives.

Ron Paul the only guy asking real questions straight to Bernake's face regarding the economic situation.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

The list of endorsements on that page immediately discredits the movement.

Who do you want to see in there to give the movement credibility? This is supposed to be a grass roots movment.

[sltr]

from their brochure-

at this very moment the federal reserve bank and its owners are bringing to an end the planned financial implosion of the united states...

quack quack

[cykoe6]

Just what we need..... a confluence of of the most dangerously paranoid, economically illiterate and old fashioned stupid members of our society. That will fix everything.

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by deejne

Ron Paul the only guy asking real questions straight to Bernake's face regarding the economic situation.

In politics he's the equivalent of a GFY troll. He's just doing shit for attention even though its pointless.

As an example, the fed is an absolute waste of time. There is simply no alternative that makes any real sense at all. Sure they suck and haven't been doing things very well BUT reforming this current system is the only option, not replacing it entirely.

Ron Paul is nothing but an attention whore that has caught some headlines using some good ideas that he borrowed from other people. Just like the Obama healthcare plan is just Hillary's with minor tweaks and a better person delivering it.

For every GOOD thing Ron Paul is trying to do there's 2 absolutely nutty things.

While I agree our government is seriously fucked in a TON of ways Ron Paul is not somebody I'd follow into anything. Rewind shit a few elections and give me a guy like Ross Perot who had great ideas of reform BEFORE THERE WAS A REAL PROBLEM and thats a visionary.

Hopefully in 4 years we'll finally have a real alternative. Obama is bringing a ton of people false hope and even if he can deliver on 10% of his promises he'll be considered a major success. My problem with him is I don't believe a single thing he says. He's a damn good politician though and a good speaker. What he really believes in is totally up in the air. I believe he's about as trustworthy as that used car salesmen trying to sell you a flood car.

I believe Obama very well could be the FINAL US president. If he doesn't deliver I think that'll push us into the revolution that we need.

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by gornyhuy

The list of endorsements on that page immediately discredits the movement.

"Fight the Man" is just another mainstream niche.

you can sell them t-shirts and stickers made in China just like most Americans!

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by Martin

Who do you want to see in there to give the movement credibility? This is supposed to be a grass roots movment.

at some point somebody credible has to come in to make any movement anything at all. This movement might as well go drink kool-aid when the next comet comes by. It has nothing but whackjobs.

of course gov of MN Jesse Ventura is badass but still pretty nutty. He's a far better frontman than Ron Paul. People will at least listen to Jesse.

[marketsmart]

Originally Posted by farkedup

at some point somebody credible has to come in to make any movement anything at all. This movement might as well go drink kool-aid when the next comet comes by. It has nothing but whackjobs.

of course gov of MN Jesse Ventura is badass but still pretty nutty. He's a far better frontman than Ron Paul. People will at least listen to Jesse.

as soon as someone credible steps up they are labeled a nut job and discredited..

its a vicious circle...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by deejne

One Purpose.

Boston Philadelphia NewYorkCity Washington,D.C. Buffalo Cleveland Cincinnati
Pittsburgh Richmond Baltimore Charlotte Atlanta Birmingham Jacksonville Miami
Nashville NewOrleans Chicago Detroit St.Louis LittleRock Louisville Memphis
Minneapolis Helena KansasCity Denver Oklahoma City Omaha Dallas ElPaso Houston
San Antonio San Francisco Los Angeles Phoenix Portland SaltLakeCity Seattle

Get involved in your area... ]

[D Ghost]

Yes, reform would b a good start, and how about some oversight. the Federal Reserve is NOT "Federal" and there is NO "Reserve" - it's a bunch of private banks that control OUR Money, answer to no one, and have a license to print it, then LOAN it back to us (as we pay interest on this loan via the Federal Income tax).

[The Duck]

People are waking up

[Fletch XXX]

Thomas Jefferson said, "If the America people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currencies, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their prosperity until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

most of the people who call themself an American surely dont think like our founding fathers...

[IllTestYourGirls]

Will Obama be there because I heard he was going to change things?

[sltr]

Originally Posted by deejne

Yes, reform would b a good start, and how about some oversight. the Federal Reserve is NOT "Federal" and there is NO "Reserve" - it's a bunch of private banks that control OUR Money, answer to no one, and have a license to print it, then LOAN it back to us (as we pay interest on this loan via the Federal Income tax).

please do more research prior to posting re: things you are not familiar with.

i'll point you in the right directions-

1. the federal reserve is not "a bunch of private banks"

2. the fed loans money to BANKS, not "us", the interest from those loans goes back to the fed- AS profit for the government, we don't pay interest on those loans via the federal income tax.

3. there's more but i'd be surprised if you even check into those 2, so i will stop there.

[NE1469]

Originally Posted by sltr

please do more research prior to posting re: things you are not familiar with.

i'll point you in the right directions-

1. the federal reserve is not "a bunch of private banks"

2. the fed loans money to BANKS, not "us", the interest from those loans goes back to the fed- AS profit for the government, we don't pay interest on those loans via the federal income tax.

3. there's more but i'd be surprised if you even check into those 2, so i will stop there.

Ding Ding Ding..we have a winner! If the Fed Reserve was a private bank why would it let China and Japan buy up so much US dept? It's bullshit.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

Thomas Jefferson said, "If the America people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currencies, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their prosperity until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

most of the people who call themself an American surely dont think like our founding fathers...

how many people did that guy own?

[D Ghost]

On November 7, 2008, Bloomberg News requested details of Fed lending under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act and filed a federal lawsuit seeking to force disclosure. According to a Bloomberg News article:

"The Federal Reserve is refusing to identify the recipients of almost $2 trillion of emergency loans from American taxpayers or the troubled assets the central bank is accepting as collateral."


It is clearly shrouded in secrecy and the public does not know whats going on as these people make a killing off taxpayers.

[D Ghost]

Originally Posted by sltr

please do more research prior to posting re: things you are not familiar with.

i'll point you in the right directions-

1. the federal reserve is not "a bunch of private banks"

2. the fed loans money to BANKS, not "us", the interest from those loans goes back to the fed- AS profit for the government, we don't pay interest on those loans via the federal income tax.

3. there's more but i'd be surprised if you even check into those 2, so i will stop there.

YES< it is a bunch of private banks...

"Court Rules Federal Reserve is Privately Owned
Case Reveals Fed's Status as a Private Institution

Below are excerpts from a court case proving the Federal Reserve system's status. As you will see, the court ruled that the Federal Reserve Banks are "independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations", and there is not sufficient "federal government control over 'detailed physical performance' and 'day to day operation'" of the Federal Reserve Bank for it to be considered a federal agency:

Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982)
John L. Lewis, Plaintiff/Appellant,
v.
United States of America, Defendant/Appellee. "

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=8518

[sltr]

Originally Posted by deejne

YES< it is a bunch of private banks...

"Court Rules Federal Reserve is Privately Owned
Case Reveals Fed's Status as a Private Institution

Below are excerpts from a court case proving the Federal Reserve system's status. As you will see, the court ruled that the Federal Reserve Banks are "independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations", and there is not sufficient "federal government control over 'detailed physical performance' and 'day to day operation'" of the Federal Reserve Bank for it to be considered a federal agency:

Lewis v. United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (1982)
John L. Lewis, Plaintiff/Appellant,
v.
United States of America, Defendant/Appellee. "

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=8518

i'm glad to see that you are actually learning about the fed. i've read that summary before.
however, there is nothing in that document that states the fed is comprised of a bunch of private banks.


it is ONE privately owned corporation with limited regional controls.

The Court of Appeals, Poole, Circuit Judge, held that federal reserve banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the Act, but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations.

not trying to pick you apart on this but if you are going to advocate supporting the end of the fed it is important that you understand what you are against.

also, the *solution* that *end the fed* is advocating - a return to the gold standard - is more than impractical. even if the u.s. owned every ounce of gold on this planet, mars and any other, it would still not cover all the dollars we need to operate.

[sltr]

most importantly-

while the Federal Reserve banks are privately owned, they are controlled by the publically-appointed Board of Governors. The Federal Reserve banks merely execute the monetary policy choices made by the Board. In addition, nearly all the interest the Federal Reserve collects on government bonds is rebated to the Treasury each year, so the government does not pay any net interest to the Fed.

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by sltr

i'm glad to see that you are actually learning about the fed. i've read that summary before.
however, there is nothing in that document that states the fed is comprised of a bunch of private banks.


it is ONE privately owned corporation with limited regional controls.



not trying to pick you apart on this but if you are going to advocate supporting the end of the fed it is important that you understand what you are against.

also, the *solution* that *end the fed* is advocating - a return to the gold standard - is more than impractical. even if the u.s. owned every ounce of gold on this planet, mars and any other, it would still not cover all the dollars we need to operate.

It is a move back to the gold standard by legalizing competing currencies. Not shifting to fiat to gold over night.

[farkedup]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

as soon as someone credible steps up they are labeled a nut job and discredited..

its a vicious circle...

You get a guy like Bill CLinton behind it and backing a SINGLE nutty idea isn't enough to get you labeled a nutjob (unless its like lil green men related or conspiracy related)

The problem is Ron Paul seems to back every nutty concept out there. THAT is why he is labeled a nutjob.

The reason why nobody is behind this is because in CONCEPT the gold standard makes sense. In practice it sadly doesn't work. I believe the fed needs to be drastically rearranged! We can all agree this system isn't working right.

[sltr]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

It is a move back to the gold standard by legalizing competing currencies. Not shifting to fiat to gold over night.

i'm with ya, it's basically ron paul's "plan" and while i can't claim to be smart enough to poke holes in the plan, there is no real #s to support it. in fact, i think there have been situations that show it has serious inherent flaws.

either way, i do agree that the banking industry needs a complete change, i just don't see how the fed is the root cause. it's a complicated issue.

[onwebcam]

I'll be at the Nashville Fed on Sat.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by sltr

we don't pay interest on those loans via the federal income tax.

The Grace Commission Report that was given to Ronald Reagan, per his request, says that our tax dollars (personal income tax) goes 100% to pay off the interest on the national debt.

If something has come to light since this report, please let me in the loop, I'd like to know about it.

[sltr]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

The Grace Commission Report that was given to Ronald Reagan, per his request, says that our tax dollars (personal income tax) goes 100% to pay off the interest on the national debt.

If something has come to light since this report, please let me in the loop, I'd like to know about it.

well, you are confusing the national debt with loans made by the federal reserve. the frb loans money to banks which the banks pay back to the frb+ the interest.

the national debt is comprised of debt held by the public & is all federal debt held by states, corporations, individuals, and foreign governments, such as Treasury Bills, Notes, Bonds, TIPS, United States Savings Bonds, and State and Local Government Series securities.

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