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Porno Dan · 12-16-2008, 01:19 PM

I have given this a lot of thought and have decided that I am in support of Talent Agents having a Trade Association if they try to do the following:

Protect the health and welfare of the talent by negotiating lower rates with AIM, or someone else, so that talent can afford to get tested every two weeks. Also, change it so testing is more comprehensive by having a 7 panel test that is used throughout Europe.

Furthermore, if the Trade Association did what I am suggesting, they could mandate that the new testing policies of every 2 weeks and 7 panels are in place. This would prevent producers from using talent that is not represented by a trade association agency as non-trade association talent could nor, or would have these tests.

Negotiate with heath care providers so that talent is able to afford low cost health insurance.

Have monthly seminars where talent is able to have financial planners, accountants, and attorneys speak to them.

Understand that these are tough economic times and try not to artificially inflate the rates their models receive. Work to get their talent booked. In hear of models who are told to turn down sceens over a mere $100 so that they ?hold their rate.?

Negotiate bulk service deals that are important to the talent like health club memberships, salons, day care etc?

If the trade association was lead by someone with the vision to do these things, then all talent would want to work for one of these agencies because they would see the value of being represented by one of the trade association agencies.

As a producer, I would actively support this Association. I would even lend my time and service to help them however possible. It is time our industry grows up, protects the talent and starts acting like every legitimate industry.

Don Pueblo · 12-16-2008, 01:22 PM

dan who is this idiot cali kc?

EscortBiz · 12-16-2008, 01:31 PM

how long does the avg girl stay in this business? how about we start there?

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hypedough · 12-16-2008, 01:35 PM

It will never happen dude. Get over, in the first 5 minutes there will be so much bickering that no one will follow the 'by-laws'.

notime · 12-16-2008, 01:37 PM

Dan, Berlin was cool !
drop me an email if you have the time

RyuLion · 12-16-2008, 01:39 PM

come on man..we know girls/talent won't follow those guidelines..
need I say more?

Sly · 12-16-2008, 01:43 PM

Sounds like you are trying to herd cats...

Webmasters can't even get themselves together to do that, getting models to do it sounds like a pipedream.

CIVMatt · 12-16-2008, 01:48 PM

Hi Dan!

Does this mean models will also be expected to start showing up on time?

JP-pornshooter · 12-16-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Protect the health and welfare of the talent by negotiating lower rates with AIM, or someone else, so that talent can afford to get tested every two weeks. Also, change it so testing is more comprehensive by having a 7 panel test that is used throughout Europe.

that may cut out many of the performers permanently including yourself.

Porno Dan · 12-16-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hypedough

It will never happen dude. Get over, in the first 5 minutes there will be so much bickering that no one will follow the 'by-laws'.

It has already happended.

All the licensed agents are members and as well two of the non-licensed agents who have applied for membership.

Porno Dan · 12-16-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

that may cut out many of the performers permanently including yourself.

I just came back from shooting in Eurpope; as a result I was required to have a 7 panel test that was no more than 14 days old.

We shoot over 20 models all of whom had the 7 panel test.

Biggy · 12-16-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

I have given this a lot of thought and have decided that I am in support of Talent Agents having a Trade Association if they try to do the following:

Protect the health and welfare of the talent by negotiating lower rates with AIM, or someone else, so that talent can afford to get tested every two weeks. Also, change it so testing is more comprehensive by having a 7 panel test that is used throughout Europe.

Not realistic, unless AIM wants to give someone a bone.

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Furthermore, if the Trade Association did what I am suggesting, they could mandate that the new testing policies of every 2 weeks and 7 panels are in place. This would prevent producers from using talent that is not represented by a trade association agency as non-trade association talent could nor, or would have these tests.

would be nice, but one can argue the testing policies of today are pretty good for a month. some talent may be against such testing, others may be for it, at end of day, people can choose their testing procedures and let it be known on their own.

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Negotiate with heath care providers so that talent is able to afford low cost health insurance.

this would be nice, but that would cost money, which means the trade assoc would cost the talent money. leaves room for theft, but it could work assuming people want to pool their funds for money.

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Have monthly seminars where talent is able to have financial planners, accountants, and attorneys speak to them.

costs money. talent will have to pay fees to an association to get this done.

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Understand that these are tough economic times and try not to artificially inflate the rates their models receive. Work to get their talent booked. In hear of models who are told to turn down sceens over a mere $100 so that they ?hold their rate.?

this is competition between the agents. some insist on holding rates, others insist on working with producers. talent/agent is all about perceived happiness, however you will see more flexible agents make strives to grow their business in the future, while those that are more strict, will probably move downward. no need for a trade association, the agents are going to be who they want to be.

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

Negotiate bulk service deals that are important to the talent like health club memberships, salons, day care etc?

Costs money, costs will be passed down to talent.

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Originally Posted by Porno Dan

If the trade association was lead by someone with the vision to do these things, then all talent would want to work for one of these agencies because they would see the value of being represented by one of the trade association agencies.

stick a bunch of money in front of someone in charge, will they do the right thing? to me, it just doesnt make sense, many of these things you do not need a trade association for, the other little things cost money, not every talent will be for it. trade associations make sense when industry needs large pools of money for an overall cause. mixing regular competitive business practices in with small time perks, the downside is bigger than the upside imo.

OMG Jim · 12-16-2008, 02:52 PM

I like your forward thinking Dan.

Whether or not all the points you made see the light of day or not it is refreshing to see someone that is doing some forward thinking and at least bringing current issues up for discussion. We need more of this especially during this apex in our industry's uncertain business and economic climate.

I could see many of these things happening but I think that the association would need to be set up as a not for profit organization headed by someone familiar with our industry but not directly involved in the casting of adult talent.

Let me know if they are looking for an Association Director... I'm an Expert at Herding Cats

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LeRoy · 12-16-2008, 03:09 PM

Give it whirl let's see what happens.

JustDaveXxx · 12-16-2008, 03:23 PM

sounds good in theory, but it will never happen. These agents and porn people have problems getting along with each other.

Nothing will happen on the positive or negative. Nothing will get done.

Porno Dan · 12-16-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggy

Not realistic, unless AIM wants to give someone a bone.

would be nice, but one can argue the testing policies of today are pretty good for a month. some talent may be against such testing, others may be for it, at end of day, people can choose their testing procedures and let it be known on their own.

this would be nice, but that would cost money, which means the trade assoc would cost the talent money. leaves room for theft, but it could work assuming people want to pool their funds for money.

costs money. talent will have to pay fees to an association to get this done.

this is competition between the agents. some insist on holding rates, others insist on working with producers. talent/agent is all about perceived happiness, however you will see more flexible agents make strives to grow their business in the future, while those that are more strict, will probably move downward. no need for a trade association, the agents are going to be who they want to be.

Costs money, costs will be passed down to talent.

stick a bunch of money in front of someone in charge, will they do the right thing? to me, it just doesnt make sense, many of these things you do not need a trade association for, the other little things cost money, not every talent will be for it. trade associations make sense when industry needs large pools of money for an overall cause. mixing regular competitive business practices in with small time perks, the downside is bigger than the upside imo.

The association represents over 1,000 models. That gives them huge negotiating power.

The reason that they would do these things without passing on the costs to the models is that they already get paid $100 per booking and 10 to 15 % of the talents rate.

It is in their best interest to do things like I mentioned since talent will see more value in having an agent and not book scenes around them.

I truly feel that given the shape of production in the industry now is the perfect time for this to happen, and to usher in a new era of a much more professional and safe shooting environment.

DirtyDanza · 12-16-2008, 04:25 PM

This sounds like the biggest mumbo jumbo ive ever heard of... fuck the rates on testing... id rather have lower pay rates to the girls...

DirtyDanza · 12-16-2008, 04:28 PM

you wanna do shit like this then set union wages.. BJ scenes 300 bucks.. regardless if it's 1 guy or 12 if cock only go's in the whores mouth thats a BJ scene.. now 500 for BG and 800 for anal.. thats it.. no tips nothing... girls should have to pay their "agents" not producers...

am I missing anything? oh yeah.. the word "no" has to be striken from any whores mouth when they walk on set....

trishauptown · 12-16-2008, 05:02 PM

WOW!! People just amaze me sometimes......<shaking my head>

JP-pornshooter · 12-16-2008, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

The association represents over 1,000 models. That gives them huge negotiating power.

The reason that they would do these things without passing on the costs to the models is that they already get paid $100 per booking and 10 to 15 % of the talents rate.

It is in their best interest to do things like I mentioned since talent will see more value in having an agent and not book scenes around them.

I truly feel that given the shape of production in the industry now is the perfect time for this to happen, and to usher in a new era of a much more professional and safe shooting environment.

we all know this aint gonna hold.

the dollar has already gained strength and moved lots of shoots overseas already.
if the rates dont come down then more and more shoots will be done outside of us.
Hungary monetary system just had a complete collapse, that means for a few hundred euros you can shoot hardcore scenes there and we know they have pretty girls there willing to do almost anything on film..

Testing is fine, but what is the objective?
If you could pass this 7 panel screening then i am sure pretty much anyone can pass.
The big studios already sponsor AIM clinic, we surely all know that already.. i mean that is their way of self administrating the industry, surely much preferred over OSHA etc.

Biggy · 12-16-2008, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

The association represents over 1,000 models. That gives them huge negotiating power.

The reason that they would do these things without passing on the costs to the models is that they already get paid $100 per booking and 10 to 15 % of the talents rate.

It is in their best interest to do things like I mentioned since talent will see more value in having an agent and not book scenes around them.

I truly feel that given the shape of production in the industry now is the perfect time for this to happen, and to usher in a new era of a much more professional and safe shooting environment.

understood. i think i may be heading up to your party on thursday - always a blast hanging out

mikesouth · 12-16-2008, 06:02 PM

Here's the problem with this. I blew the whistle on these assholes very early, way before they planned to come forward and they caught a LOT of flack. What they are proposing here is a bunch of feel good stuff that they have no intention of following through on. If they required a 7 panel test 80% of their rosters would be out over night just from herpes.

Now if they want to prove that their intentions are good lets see them fund a neutral third party with a percentage of their profits to follow through on these actions.

anyone believes they are about making the lives of the talent better is as dumb as Derek Hay apparently thinks they are.

mikesouth · 12-16-2008, 06:06 PM

consider this too...the association represents over 1000 models.

OK on any given day in the pornvalley plus the vegas area Id bet there arent even 100 shoots happening....do the math...lots of those 1000 talents barely get enough work to live as it is.

This doesnt apply to me anyway but I tell you right now I would tell Derek to go fuck himself before I would pay that cocksucker a dime. I got all the girls I need and then some.

Porno Dan · 12-16-2008, 11:29 PM

My main point is that they trade association has been formed and is growing.

I feel there is a unique opportunity, given the current state of production, to truly do something that benefits both talent and producers long term.

I am optimistic that chairman of this association will do what I am proposing.

DWB · 12-17-2008, 03:54 AM

First any group would have to take the stand and admit that nobody really cares about the talent. Otherwise a full health panel would already been done.

Then they would add MANDATORY testing for Hepatitis B & C and Syphilis.

It would also be nice to be able to list what performers have HPV or Herpes. Then let the performers choose if they want to work with the HPV or Herpes infected models. Due to the high stats of people with these, many would have it. Though it should be disclosed to all.

ninavain · 12-17-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Hi Dan!

Does this mean models will also be expected to start showing up on time?

Porno Dan · 12-17-2008, 04:32 PM

A little fly on the wall just let me know they are now 12 agencies that have joined together in this association.

12-16-2008, 01:19 PM	#1
Porno Dan Court Jester Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Budapest Posts: 6,342	Adult Entertainment Agents Trade Association I have given this a lot of thought and have decided that I am in support of Talent Agents having a Trade Association if they try to do the following: Protect the health and welfare of the talent by negotiating lower rates with AIM, or someone else, so that talent can afford to get tested every two weeks. Also, change it so testing is more comprehensive by having a 7 panel test that is used throughout Europe. Furthermore, if the Trade Association did what I am suggesting, they could mandate that the new testing policies of every 2 weeks and 7 panels are in place. This would prevent producers from using talent that is not represented by a trade association agency as non-trade association talent could nor, or would have these tests. Negotiate with heath care providers so that talent is able to afford low cost health insurance. Have monthly seminars where talent is able to have financial planners, accountants, and attorneys speak to them. Understand that these are tough economic times and try not to artificially inflate the rates their models receive. Work to get their talent booked. In hear of models who are told to turn down sceens over a mere $100 so that they ?hold their rate.? Negotiate bulk service deals that are important to the talent like health club memberships, salons, day care etc? If the trade association was lead by someone with the vision to do these things, then all talent would want to work for one of these agencies because they would see the value of being represented by one of the trade association agencies. As a producer, I would actively support this Association. I would even lend my time and service to help them however possible. It is time our industry grows up, protects the talent and starts acting like every legitimate industry. __________________ Reality TV Star, AVN Hall of Fame, Five-Time XBIZ Winner 2021 XBIZ Europe Winner Best Director Site Promote the sites where members get paid to get laid by their favorite porn stars

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OMG Jim Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 3,153	I like your forward thinking Dan. Whether or not all the points you made see the light of day or not it is refreshing to see someone that is doing some forward thinking and at least bringing current issues up for discussion. We need more of this especially during this apex in our industry's uncertain business and economic climate. I could see many of these things happening but I think that the association would need to be set up as a not for profit organization headed by someone familiar with our industry but not directly involved in the casting of adult talent. Let me know if they are looking for an Association Director... I'm an Expert at Herding Cats _ __________________ ICQ: 254 914 537 - Skype: AlmightyJim

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JustDaveXxx I AM JUSTDAVE ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: LA Posts: 4,105	sounds good in theory, but it will never happen. These agents and porn people have problems getting along with each other. Nothing will happen on the positive or negative. Nothing will get done. __________________ Smut Peddler Productions.com ICQ #378-696-435 / / Skype: JustDaveXxx "We shoot custom, exclusive content your way"

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DirtyDanza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BP4L.... Las Vegas, Posts: 8,369	you wanna do shit like this then set union wages.. BJ scenes 300 bucks.. regardless if it's 1 guy or 12 if cock only go's in the whores mouth thats a BJ scene.. now 500 for BG and 800 for anal.. thats it.. no tips nothing... girls should have to pay their "agents" not producers... am I missing anything? oh yeah.. the word "no" has to be striken from any whores mouth when they walk on set.... __________________ AVN Nominated Camming Couple

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	Here's the problem with this. I blew the whistle on these assholes very early, way before they planned to come forward and they caught a LOT of flack. What they are proposing here is a bunch of feel good stuff that they have no intention of following through on. If they required a 7 panel test 80% of their rosters would be out over night just from herpes. Now if they want to prove that their intentions are good lets see them fund a neutral third party with a percentage of their profits to follow through on these actions. anyone believes they are about making the lives of the talent better is as dumb as Derek Hay apparently thinks they are. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,346	consider this too...the association represents over 1000 models. OK on any given day in the pornvalley plus the vegas area Id bet there arent even 100 shoots happening....do the math...lots of those 1000 talents barely get enough work to live as it is. This doesnt apply to me anyway but I tell you right now I would tell Derek to go fuck himself before I would pay that cocksucker a dime. I got all the girls I need and then some. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

12-16-2008, 11:29 PM	#24
Porno Dan Court Jester Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Budapest Posts: 6,342	My main point is that they trade association has been formed and is growing. I feel there is a unique opportunity, given the current state of production, to truly do something that benefits both talent and producers long term. I am optimistic that chairman of this association will do what I am proposing. __________________ Reality TV Star, AVN Hall of Fame, Five-Time XBIZ Winner 2021 XBIZ Europe Winner Best Director Site Promote the sites where members get paid to get laid by their favorite porn stars

12-17-2008, 03:54 AM	#25
DWB Giggity Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: S.E. Asia Posts: 31,779	First any group would have to take the stand and admit that nobody really cares about the talent. Otherwise a full health panel would already been done. Then they would add MANDATORY testing for Hepatitis B & C and Syphilis. It would also be nice to be able to list what performers have HPV or Herpes. Then let the performers choose if they want to work with the HPV or Herpes infected models. Due to the high stats of people with these, many would have it. Though it should be disclosed to all.

12-17-2008, 04:32 PM	#27
Porno Dan Court Jester Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Budapest Posts: 6,342	A little fly on the wall just let me know they are now 12 agencies that have joined together in this association. __________________ Reality TV Star, AVN Hall of Fame, Five-Time XBIZ Winner 2021 XBIZ Europe Winner Best Director Site Promote the sites where members get paid to get laid by their favorite porn stars