2257 Discussion on another board

[pornguy]

I got this from another board and wanted to get input here to see how people read this. Is this guy wrong in what he is reading???

While I have not finalized my reading of the new regs as it is 189 pages long, it seems the DoJ by these regs has indeed closed out foriegn performers from USA RELEASED content, unless BOTH the producer and performer remain outside the USA even when that producer is a USA citizen.

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Third, the proposed rule clarified that, with regard to the government-issued photo identitification required for records, a foreign-government-issued picture identification is acceptable if the performer providing it is a foreign citizen and the producer maintaining the records produces the visual depiction of the performer in a foerign country, no matter whether the producer is a U.S. or foreign citizen. That is, a U.S. producer who produces a depiction of sexually explicit conduct while located in a foreign country may rely on a foreign-government-issued picture identification card of a performer in that depiction who is a foriegn citizen. All other requirements of the regulations continue to apply <Italc>mutatis mutandis<Italc>--i.e., the producer must examine and maintain a legible copy of the foreign-government-issued picture identification card in his records. Furthermore, a foreign-government-issued picture identification card is not sufficient to comply with the regulations for U.S. citizens, even when abroad. That is, if a U.S. producer travels to a foreign country to produce a depiction of sexually explicit conduct, all U.S. citizens performing in the depiction must have a U.S.-government issued picture identification card, even though a foreign citizen performing in the same depiction may provide a foreign-government-issued picture identification card. And, as is the case in the current regulation, only a U.S.-government-issued identification card complies with the regulations relating to productions in the United States, no matter whether the performer is a U.S. or foreign citizen.


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So basically USA producer goes outside to film sexually explicit product and uses foriegn performers their foreign birth certificate or foreign passport is acceptable for 2257

IF producer remains outside the USA i.e., THE CONTENT is released from ABROAD ONLY

If the content is released here in the USA, "ONLY a U.S.-government-issued picture identification card complies with the regulations relating to production IN THE UNITED STATES, no matter whether the performer is a U.S. or foreign citizen."

So basically this reg defeats USA producers going to a foreign country, hiring a foreign performer in that foriegn country, filming that content in a foreign country AND THEN BRINGING THAT CONTENT BACK to the USA for distribution unless the foreign performers have U.S. government issued photo identification.

Thus there is no reason for a producer to make content rather than buy it from some foriegn producer.

Simply wonderful.....

How do you read this?

[Fresh]

edit: my bad, wrong thread lol

[moeloubani]

I didn't read it that way at all, just that US citizens need US ids, all others dont as long as they aren't in the US. That was about the production of the porn, not the distribution.

[pornguy]

lol
thanks for the bump though.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

I didn't read it that way at all, just that US citizens need US ids, all others dont as long as they aren't in the US. That was about the production of the porn, not the distribution.

Thats how I read it as well. If they COME to the US then they NEED US ID. Has nothing to do with the sale.

[Sands]

That is, if a U.S. producer travels to a foreign country to produce a depiction of sexually explicit conduct, all U.S. citizens performing in the depiction must have a U.S.-government issued picture identification card, even though a foreign citizen performing in the same depiction may provide a foreign-government-issued picture identification card.

An American performer must always show an American ID, regardless of the country they're in. A foreign performer may provide a foreign-issued ID if you're producing content in their country.

And, as is the case in the current regulation, only a U.S.-government-issued identification card complies with the regulations relating to productions in the United States, no matter whether the performer is a U.S. or foreign citizen.

A foreign citizen cannot come to the US and use their foreign-issued ID. They must have an US-issued ID.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Sands

An American performer must always show an American ID, regardless of the country they're in. A foreign performer may provide a foreign-issued ID if you're producing content in their country.



A foreign citizen cannot come to the US and use their foreign-issued ID. They must have an US-issued ID.

So it would seem that you guys see this the same as I do, and not what he was saying.

The board I found this on, everyone was agreeing with him. And I thought that maybe I was missing something.

[Sands]

Originally Posted by pornguy

So it would seem that you guys see this the same as I do, and not what he was saying.

The board I found this on, everyone was agreeing with him. And I thought that maybe I was missing something.

Reading comprehension isn't everyone's cup of tea, apparently. Maybe if we make a video and act out examples of the new statutes with Barbie and Ken dolls, we can reach the cheap seats.

[Fresh]

Originally Posted by pornguy

lol
thanks for the bump though.

lol i was trying to put it up in the freaky shit thread

Originally Posted by Sands

An American performer must always show an American ID, regardless of the country they're in. A foreign performer may provide a foreign-issued ID if you're producing content in their country.



A foreign citizen cannot come to the US and use their foreign-issued ID. They must have an US-issued ID.

Thats kinda how I understood it as well

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Sands

Reading comprehension isn't everyone's cup of tea, apparently. Maybe if we make a video and act out examples of the new statutes with Barbie and Ken dolls, we can reach the cheap seats.

Yep true. and it is also a reason that this industry has soooooo many issues.

[seeandsee]

2257 lost

[TheDoc]

You guys have it pretty much nail on..

It's funny though, that you can shoot in a foreign country, get a foreign id, ect.. but if you bring that person here with the proper foreign id, it doesn't work. What the hell is that?

[tony286]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You guys have it pretty much nail on..

It's funny though, that you can shoot in a foreign country, get a foreign id, ect.. but if you bring that person here with the proper foreign id, it doesn't work. What the hell is that?

its to bust balls nothing else.

[2012]

who's on first ?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

You guys have it pretty much nail on..

It's funny though, that you can shoot in a foreign country, get a foreign id, ect.. but if you bring that person here with the proper foreign id, it doesn't work. What the hell is that?

it's really really simple: tax dollars.... no green card, no work visa, no tax dollars.