What makes a girl, in your opinion, a professional model? - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 03:52 AM

Some girls just have the right approach and some never will. Some are professional from day one and some never will be. I'm sure that the same in most places where people shoot. Only the percentages will change.

I got this idea from another thread where it was posted about girls not cancelling and turning up on time to a shoot were indications of her professionalism. It was also pointed out her willingness to work.

Arriving and time keeping are good manners and a newbie should be able to do it. Willing to work is also something a newbie can do.

So what in your opinion makes a girl a "professional model".

Robbie · 01-04-2009, 04:05 AM

I have no idea. A professional model means that they haven't figured out how much more money that they could make by having their own site instead of making a thousand to fifteen hundred bucks a shoot. Short term thinking. I try to stay away from that as it does me no good.

On the other hand, when I had a content company, the best models were the ones who were on time and weren't fucked up. As long as those conditions were met (and of course the girl was good looking) then it was a piece of cake to shoot them and make money.

facialfreak · 01-04-2009, 04:11 AM

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So what in your opinion makes a girl a "professional model"?

paying them ...

HomeFry · 01-04-2009, 04:16 AM

If she gets naked on camera for money, she is not a professional "Model". Which indicates, that if she has shot with you, she is not a professional.

InternetIsForPorn · 01-04-2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HomeFry

If she gets naked on camera for money, she is not a professional "Model". Which indicates, that if she has shot with you, she is not a professional.

Holy.. you can't be more wrong.

I had fucked up girls get naked on camera. Fucked up as in good looking, but fucked up in the head. Some wanted to be professional "models", yet had this laughter panic attack at times. Some just couldn't help but OVERACT screaming like giving birth during a fake orgasm.

Jesus, there were even these almost good looking girls that could make great amateur models, but would never ever be able to pose right for the camera. They looked like... chickens? in those poses.

And yes, there is the issue of models being plain old non responsible, turning up late and hungover for a shoot is never a good thing. Unless you want to give her some booze and shoot a drunk scene.

HomeFry · 01-04-2009, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by InternetIsForPorn

Holy.. you can't be more wrong.

I had fucked up girls get naked on camera. Fucked up as in good looking, but fucked up in the head. Some wanted to be professional "models", yet had this laughter panic attack at times. Some just couldn't help but OVERACT screaming like giving birth during a fake orgasm.

Jesus, there were even these almost good looking girls that could make great amateur models, but would never ever be able to pose right for the camera. They looked like... chickens? in those poses.

And yes, there is the issue of models being plain old non responsible, turning up late and hungover for a shoot is never a good thing. Unless you want to give her some booze and shoot a drunk scene.

I baited for one fish and got another. My job is done here.

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 05:37 AM

What any newbie should be able to do. None of this is "professional" and yes I understand if we pay her she is professional. But we do call some work Amateur porn when it was clearly produced by someone for money.

1. Turn up on time, ready and willing to do the work. Able is something she should have a clue about but will pick up how to refine and perfect it as time goes on. So long as shooters direct her.

Punctuality is good manners, if there is a problem most have mobile phones. And here's the problem. Not sure what it's like in the US today but when I shot there newbies did turn up on time, the older hands turn up late. Today in Czech it's the experienced models who turn up late. When you complain they tell you no one else says anything.

Able to do the work. Again common sense and courtesy, not going on a drunken binge the night before, turning up when she's menstruating or fucking her boyfriend in the morning and turning up with a sore ass. Again it's not the newbies who do this, it's the girls who have been taught shooters will put up with any crap they feel like. Those examples happened to me, never with a newbie so far.

We are the guys they learn from, that turning up late or not at all is OK. Turning up on a day she clearly should not of bothered is acceptable. They can cancel a shoot an hour before or not canceling it and phoning a few days later to rebook.

None of the above is professional. It's common sense and courtesy. They would not get a job paying $1,000 a month with that approach, so why do they expect to get one for a $1,000 a day? Because some shooters let them.

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 05:56 AM

So what do I term as "Professional"? And yes this is the opinion of an old Buddy duddy who is way past it. Just like a lot of the guys buying porn. LOL

A girl who is looking after her body, looks and face because it's her job to. She will be in the gym a couple of times a week, or some keep fit activity. Under a sun lamp once a week, not too brown and not white as a ghost, she will look after her hair and complexion because she has to. Because she's a professional.

She will have a wardrobe of clothing to cover the range of her abilities, niches and styles. Most shooters are more than willing to give her clothes they have shot already. If she asks nicely and is pleasant. Saves me dumping it. If a shooter says he's shooting her for up market she will know not to pull out something she bought for $5 in Wal-Mart. ;)

Make up. Most of the time she should have a professional make up artist get her ready for shoots. A professional has her own make up kit just in case.

This is the most important thing.

When she works she gives all of herself to it. She should know this work is more about what's between her ears than what's between her legs. She should know how to pose and act correctly within the niche and style, how to fake an orgasm or even how not to bother and deliver a real one maybe turned up a notch for the camera. She should know how she looks in front of the camera. And know how to give of her best.

Behind the camera she should be a pleasure to get on with.

Because when everyone has shot her and her days of being fresh meat are over she will want to go around the track again and again, and again. Her earnings will rely on her ability to make content that sells, again and again. And not be a total pain in the ass to shooters.

LoveSandra · 01-04-2009, 06:01 AM

Big Boobs.

SilentKnight · 01-04-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So what in your opinion makes a girl a "professional model".

I think you've already answered your own question at this point.

I'd summarize it by saying I'd consider her a "professional model" if her work ethic/personality makes me want to work with her again.

We've all worked with those models who make a 4-hour shoot seem like eight and you start looking at your watch after the first hour thinking, "Jeezus...what a waste of my time."

RayVega · 01-04-2009, 09:59 AM

Simple, a professional model is a person who makes the majority of their "living" by modeling (51% or more). Simple and clear explanation. IMO

ContentSHOOTER · 01-04-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So what do I term as "Professional"? And yes this is the opinion of an old Buddy duddy who is way past it. Just like a lot of the guys buying porn. LOL

A girl who is looking after her body, looks and face because it's her job to. She will be in the gym a couple of times a week, or some keep fit activity. Under a sun lamp once a week, not too brown and not white as a ghost, she will look after her hair and complexion because she has to. Because she's a professional.

She will have a wardrobe of clothing to cover the range of her abilities, niches and styles. Most shooters are more than willing to give her clothes they have shot already. If she asks nicely and is pleasant. Saves me dumping it. If a shooter says he's shooting her for up market she will know not to pull out something she bought for $5 in Wal-Mart. ;)

Make up. Most of the time she should have a professional make up artist get her ready for shoots. A professional has her own make up kit just in case.

This is the most important thing.

When she works she gives all of herself to it. She should know this work is more about what's between her ears than what's between her legs. She should know how to pose and act correctly within the niche and style, how to fake an orgasm or even how not to bother and deliver a real one maybe turned up a notch for the camera. She should know how she looks in front of the camera. And know how to give of her best.

Behind the camera she should be a pleasure to get on with.

Because when everyone has shot her and her days of being fresh meat are over she will want to go around the track again and again, and again. Her earnings will rely on her ability to make content that sells, again and again. And not be a total pain in the ass to shooters.

I couldn't agree more, however most think the gash between their legs is all they need to bring to a shoot, sad but true. Not in all cases but I have see it a few times(no actually to many times)

justinsain · 01-04-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RayVega

Simple, a professional model is a person who makes the majority of their "living" by modeling (51% or more). Simple and clear explanation. IMO

Perfect definition and one that also applies to photographers

woj · 01-04-2009, 10:20 AM

If she actually shows up to the shoot, she is half way there.... heh

CrkMStanz · 01-04-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RayVega

Simple, a professional model is a person who makes the majority of their "living" by modeling (51% or more). Simple and clear explanation. IMO

This would be the definition

the rest of it is personality and work ethics

Joshua G · 01-04-2009, 10:42 AM

models are professional when their boobs make a loud slapping sound when they bounce their boobs. The sound resembles a spanking noise & can be heard in the next room even when the door is closed.

F-U-Jimmy · 01-04-2009, 12:23 PM

A model can only be as professional as her agent will allow.
By that I mean you can have the best most dedicated young woman who is ready to work eager to please, be totally unprepared because her agent never gave her details of your shoot. This happens time and time again to me, I call or e-mail their agent tell them the call time, the location, the pay rate, how she will be paid ( check, cash, food stamp) who she is working with, transportation, makeup and clothing requirements if any, etc. About 60% of the time the model arrives unprepared or late because johnny manager didn't tell them shit...

This is why more and more I hire girls who reply to my postings on message boards and referrals from colleges and friends. If these girls turn up on time have their IDs ready, know what's expected of them, have their wardrobe and make up with them as requested, dont keep stopping to use a cell phone and can converse somewhat intelligently then in my book she is professional. Professionalism in my opinion has little to do with how long they have been in the business, "professionalism is a state of mind"

John-ACWM · 01-04-2009, 12:26 PM

Looks and attitude

pornask · 01-04-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER

I couldn't agree more, however most think the gash between their legs is all they need to bring to a shoot, sad but true. Not in all cases but I have see it a few times(no actually to many times)

You've only seen Bubba's dick before it gets shoved down your throat after supper, you fucking fag

Machete_ · 01-04-2009, 12:35 PM

#1 dont let her manager or shooter stick their old cocks in her

baddog · 01-04-2009, 12:36 PM

Do they get paid? Then a professional.

jmcb420 · 01-04-2009, 12:38 PM

Any woman who can take an ass full of cock and keep smiling is in my book, a pro.....

sorry to interject, I'm putting my head down and leaving your thread now.

WarChild · 01-04-2009, 12:40 PM

A vagina.

ContentSHOOTER · 01-04-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pornask

you've only seen bubba's dick before it gets shoved down your throat after supper, you fucking fag

fuck off pornfart

hypedough · 01-04-2009, 12:41 PM

My personal answer is: A girl who does what was agreed to before the shoot, shows up on time with her IDs and has a positive outlook on the shoot. Plus a good model doesn't keep asking "how many more pics" or "how many more positions", etc..

ContentSHOOTER · 01-04-2009, 12:49 PM

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You've only seen Bubba's dick before it gets shoved down your throat after supper, you fucking fag

So how come you haven't reared you're ugly mug in this thread, balls of steel boy

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=879361

qxm · 01-04-2009, 12:52 PM

1. Must be really beautiful .. (Aria Giovanni or Peaches kinda beauty)
2. Must not act like a whore
3. Should not agree to do hardcore ... all softcorish
4. Must have a resume that clearly says I am a fucking pro model
5. Most provide several references
6. Last but DEFINITIVELY NOT LEAST ... must NOT .. have a cock...

Bama · 01-04-2009, 12:59 PM

Calling a girl a "professional" or even a "model" just because she'll get naked in front of the camera is like calling every webmaster a "business man/woman".

Spieglergirls · 01-04-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hypedough

My personal answer is: A girl who does what was agreed to before the shoot, shows up on time with her IDs and has a positive outlook on the shoot. Plus a good model doesn't keep asking "how many more pics" or "how many more positions", etc..

In other words - a Spieglergirl!

collegeboobies · 01-04-2009, 02:09 PM

well first qualification is she gets paid for showing her stuff

diesel · 01-04-2009, 02:13 PM

Professionalism of the model vs my efforts to create content of our standards
Less efforts=more professionalism

RedShoe · 01-04-2009, 02:28 PM

What makes a girl, in your opinion, a professional model?

In her personal life she dodges cum. At work she does not.
In her personal life she doesn't take it up the ass. At work she does.
And she has the ability to convince us that she's into anything she's doing.

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I have no idea. A professional model means that they haven't figured out how much more money that they could make by having their own site instead of making a thousand to fifteen hundred bucks a shoot. Short term thinking. I try to stay away from that as it does me no good.

I have never met a sponsor willing to put up enough money to turn a freelance girl into an exclusive girl with her own site. Most of the time the offers are vague and in the laps of the Gods or low.

For instance the types of girls sponsors want for an exclusive deal are the attractive ones who will sell a site. These girls as you point out can earn $500 to $1,500 a day or even a scene. They can also work twice a week and keep working year after year. So a good looking girl working a year is looking at $25,000 to $75,000 a year. Not over working, not tied to one company and not gambling the site will sell and her "partner" will keep his end and not rip her off.

The offers are usually "You do the shoot for free (or up to the minimum) and we pay you 10% (or what ever) of the turn over or profits. For a good looking girl who will make a site really tick that's not good enough. Sponsors need to show they are really confident the plan will work and do what Vivid do. Pay her a lot of money.

And in the end it's $$$ on the table that count.

Paul Markham · 01-04-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bama

Calling a girl a "professional" or even a "model" just because she'll get naked in front of the camera is like calling every webmaster a "business man/woman".

That is so funny.

Most of the guys here saying if she takes money she's professional know exactly what I mean or fall into your definition.

Mutt · 01-04-2009, 04:29 PM

it would be nice if they were 'professional' in the sense of the word that means somebody does a job to the best of their ability, shows up on time, good attitude and all the rest.

good luck - you're dealing with young girls, expecting them to be professional is asking and expecting a lot. I know some girls are very professional about their modeling/porn careers but unfortunately the customer who buys this stuff and the affiliates who promote it don't care how easy the girl is to work with and how hard she works - so I'll take the pinhead/brat/bitch who stands out above the rest over the professional with average looks and personality. it's show biz - look at what shit managers and agents put up with from mainstream actors and actresses and rock stars and rap artists and prima donna pro athletes.

Cherry7 · 01-04-2009, 05:04 PM

Most of what has been said I agree with but I would add a couple of points for shooting erotic videos, the first time girl brings a spontinaity and freshness to shoots that the pros sometimes fail to bring.

For photo shoots experienced models can give you far more in suggestions and poses....

Sadly good attitude is not really linked to professionalism....

Dagwolf · 01-04-2009, 05:18 PM

Professionalism is professionalism.

Pornwolf · 01-04-2009, 09:48 PM

Professional model?

That's a girl who has been paid for advertising campaigns and makes more than $50k a year. Sex is optional, not required.

tony286 · 01-04-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RayVega

Simple, a professional model is a person who makes the majority of their "living" by modeling (51% or more). Simple and clear explanation. IMO

Yeah I could go with that.

PSSuperstars · 01-04-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RedShoe

And she has the ability to convince us that she's into anything she's doing.

For Porn.. this is so important.

The ability to convince the fuckers that are paying for this shit that she 100% loves whatever niche/fetish/pose she is doing

The minute the switch flips that this isn't about what SHE likes.. but about what is going to fill her bank account and the photographers bank account.. she becomes a professional...

Like that twit the other day who turned Mandy Blake down.. because she wasn't "into" BBWs... Uh... you're not a professional model when you're stopping and thinking about what you're "into" or not... It's your job to look like you're into just about anything for the sake of having a career.

Plus all the body maintenance stuff that Paul mentioned earlier too.

BV · 01-04-2009, 10:34 PM

There is no such thing as a professional model.

Shameless · 01-04-2009, 10:39 PM

She cashes her check within 90 days so it's good (lol)

ExLust · 01-04-2009, 11:14 PM

A professional model is somebody does best of her ability, shows up on time, good attitude and productive on the advertisement's side too.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 01-05-2009, 12:08 AM

A professional Model is one that makes a living off of modeling. Punctuality plays a big roll in any job, but especially modeling. Not only nude modeling. A model can make a great career out of just modeling if she takes it serious. I'm talking Big Money!

Magazines, Billboards and all sorts of print ads pay BIG BUCKS.

Pornwolf · 01-05-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

A professional Model is one that makes a living off of modeling. Punctuality plays a big roll in any job, but especially modeling. Not only nude modeling. A model can make a great career out of just modeling if she takes it serious. I'm talking Big Money!

Magazines, Billboards and all sorts of print ads pay BIG BUCKS.

Exactly.

That, my friends, is a PROfessional model.

Paul Markham · 01-05-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

it would be nice if they were 'professional' in the sense of the word that means somebody does a job to the best of their ability, shows up on time, good attitude and all the rest.

good luck - you're dealing with young girls, expecting them to be professional is asking and expecting a lot. I know some girls are very professional about their modeling/porn careers but unfortunately the customer who buys this stuff and the affiliates who promote it don't care how easy the girl is to work with and how hard she works - so I'll take the pinhead/brat/bitch who stands out above the rest over the professional with average looks and personality. it's show biz - look at what shit managers and agents put up with from mainstream actors and actresses and rock stars and rap artists and prima donna pro athletes.

They do if the performance from the pinhead/brat/bitch is not good enough.

Putting up with people who have real talent is something we all have to endure. Putting up with pinhead/brat/bitch girls with no talent is something we should never allow. Letting them get away with it teaches them it's acceptable.

Semi-Retired-Dave · 01-05-2009, 11:14 AM

If you are a reliable model, you will get all kinds of work. People spend big bucks to produce big budget ad campaigns. If you are trying to get a name for yourself as a model, all it takes is a couple late show ups and a couple no shows and your name will be on the bottom of the list. Doesn't matter who you are! Its all about Creditability.

TarPy · 01-05-2009, 06:00 PM

I hate to be picky, but since we're basically talking about the definitions of these words.

Main Entry: 1pro·fes·sion·al
Pronunciation: \prə-ˈfesh-nəl, -ˈfe-shə-nəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1606
1 a: of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession b: engaged in one of the learned professions c (1): characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2): exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace
2 a: participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer> b: having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier> c: engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football>
3: following a line of conduct as though it were a profession <a professional patriot>

Main Entry: pro·fes·sion·al·ism
Pronunciation: \-ˈfesh-nə-ˌli-zəm, -ˈfe-shə-nə-ˌli-\
Function: noun
Date: 1856
1 : the conduct, aims, or qualities that characterize or mark a profession or a professional person
2 : the following of a profession (as athletics) for gain or livelihood

I think both of these words cross 2 very different connotations. At pichunter we force anyone who "accepts money for their photos" into the "Porn Site Models" forum, because we take a very olympic definition of the word amatuer. However, I've been told that all of my photos are amateur, yet it's $800 worth of lights and an SLR lens and 8.0+ megapixels.

However no one has ever accused me of lacking "professionalism" on a set. (at a convention bar, sure, but not on set).

certain things are simply polite in any situation. My question is would the models who fail to show up on time for work show up on time or appropriately dressed for anything other than clubs? Grandma's birthday, a date with a guy, a mainstream job, or a shoot?

Some of the people being alluded to lack organization and manners in most if not all situations not just on set.

But hey, if you don't feel a girl is ready to shoot, turn her away at the door. Don't make the mistake of "trying it". If she walks in looking rough, turn her right around no money. That is just business, and is professional.

PSSuperstars · 01-05-2009, 06:23 PM

One question to ask though..

If you've got a photographer who is used to banging his girls.. or posting on adult message boards saying, "Wow we didn't get much work done that day.."

and the reputation gets around..
How many professional girls do you think you're gonna get?

I think the same question should be asked....
What makes a professional photographer?

Certainly not bragging on an adult messageboard about how many of them fucked him.

Bragging about sales.. new fetish ideas... and a new lighting set... maybe ;) But not talking about how many you fucked...

01-04-2009, 04:05 AM	#2
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I have no idea. A professional model means that they haven't figured out how much more money that they could make by having their own site instead of making a thousand to fifteen hundred bucks a shoot. Short term thinking. I try to stay away from that as it does me no good. On the other hand, when I had a content company, the best models were the ones who were on time and weren't fucked up. As long as those conditions were met (and of course the girl was good looking) then it was a piece of cake to shoot them and make money. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

01-04-2009, 05:37 AM	#7
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	What any newbie should be able to do. None of this is "professional" and yes I understand if we pay her she is professional. But we do call some work Amateur porn when it was clearly produced by someone for money. 1. Turn up on time, ready and willing to do the work. Able is something she should have a clue about but will pick up how to refine and perfect it as time goes on. So long as shooters direct her. Punctuality is good manners, if there is a problem most have mobile phones. And here's the problem. Not sure what it's like in the US today but when I shot there newbies did turn up on time, the older hands turn up late. Today in Czech it's the experienced models who turn up late. When you complain they tell you no one else says anything. Able to do the work. Again common sense and courtesy, not going on a drunken binge the night before, turning up when she's menstruating or fucking her boyfriend in the morning and turning up with a sore ass. Again it's not the newbies who do this, it's the girls who have been taught shooters will put up with any crap they feel like. Those examples happened to me, never with a newbie so far. We are the guys they learn from, that turning up late or not at all is OK. Turning up on a day she clearly should not of bothered is acceptable. They can cancel a shoot an hour before or not canceling it and phoning a few days later to rebook. None of the above is professional. It's common sense and courtesy. They would not get a job paying $1,000 a month with that approach, so why do they expect to get one for a $1,000 a day? Because some shooters let them. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-04-2009, 05:56 AM	#8
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	So what do I term as "Professional"? And yes this is the opinion of an old Buddy duddy who is way past it. Just like a lot of the guys buying porn. LOL A girl who is looking after her body, looks and face because it's her job to. She will be in the gym a couple of times a week, or some keep fit activity. Under a sun lamp once a week, not too brown and not white as a ghost, she will look after her hair and complexion because she has to. Because she's a professional. She will have a wardrobe of clothing to cover the range of her abilities, niches and styles. Most shooters are more than willing to give her clothes they have shot already. If she asks nicely and is pleasant. Saves me dumping it. If a shooter says he's shooting her for up market she will know not to pull out something she bought for $5 in Wal-Mart. ;) Make up. Most of the time she should have a professional make up artist get her ready for shoots. A professional has her own make up kit just in case. This is the most important thing. When she works she gives all of herself to it. She should know this work is more about what's between her ears than what's between her legs. She should know how to pose and act correctly within the niche and style, how to fake an orgasm or even how not to bother and deliver a real one maybe turned up a notch for the camera. She should know how she looks in front of the camera. And know how to give of her best. Behind the camera she should be a pleasure to get on with. Because when everyone has shot her and her days of being fresh meat are over she will want to go around the track again and again, and again. Her earnings will rely on her ability to make content that sells, again and again. And not be a total pain in the ass to shooters. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-04-2009, 09:59 AM	#11
RayVega Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York ICQ#348007554 Posts: 4,212	Simple, a professional model is a person who makes the majority of their "living" by modeling (51% or more). Simple and clear explanation. IMO __________________ Ray "The Don" Vega Managing Director Private Equity Fund [email protected]

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01-04-2009, 03:52 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	What makes a girl, in your opinion, a professional model? Some girls just have the right approach and some never will. Some are professional from day one and some never will be. I'm sure that the same in most places where people shoot. Only the percentages will change. I got this idea from another thread where it was posted about girls not cancelling and turning up on time to a shoot were indications of her professionalism. It was also pointed out her willingness to work. Arriving and time keeping are good manners and a newbie should be able to do it. Willing to work is also something a newbie can do. So what in your opinion makes a girl a "professional model". __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70 Last edited by Paul Markham; 01-04-2009 at 03:54 AM..

01-04-2009, 04:16 AM	#4
HomeFry Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,062	If she gets naked on camera for money, she is not a professional "Model". Which indicates, that if she has shot with you, she is not a professional.

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LoveSandra So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Just Blow Me Posts: 10,551	Big Boobs.

01-04-2009, 10:42 AM	#16
Joshua G dumb libs love censorship Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8,198	models are professional when their boobs make a loud slapping sound when they bounce their boobs. The sound resembles a spanking noise & can be heard in the next room even when the door is closed.

01-04-2009, 12:23 PM	#17
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	A model can only be as professional as her agent will allow. By that I mean you can have the best most dedicated young woman who is ready to work eager to please, be totally unprepared because her agent never gave her details of your shoot. This happens time and time again to me, I call or e-mail their agent tell them the call time, the location, the pay rate, how she will be paid ( check, cash, food stamp) who she is working with, transportation, makeup and clothing requirements if any, etc. About 60% of the time the model arrives unprepared or late because johnny manager didn't tell them shit... This is why more and more I hire girls who reply to my postings on message boards and referrals from colleges and friends. If these girls turn up on time have their IDs ready, know what's expected of them, have their wardrobe and make up with them as requested, dont keep stopping to use a cell phone and can converse somewhat intelligently then in my book she is professional. Professionalism in my opinion has little to do with how long they have been in the business, "professionalism is a state of mind" __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!! Last edited by F-U-Jimmy; 01-04-2009 at 12:25 PM..

01-04-2009, 12:26 PM	#18
John-ACWM Work Work Work Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: EU Posts: 20,060	Looks and attitude __________________ Video Chat Forum

01-04-2009, 12:35 PM	#20
Machete_ WINNING! Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14,579	#1 dont let her manager or shooter stick their old cocks in her

01-04-2009, 12:36 PM	#21
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Do they get paid? Then a professional.

01-04-2009, 12:38 PM	#22
jmcb420 So Fucking Drunk Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,155	Any woman who can take an ass full of cock and keep smiling is in my book, a pro..... sorry to interject, I'm putting my head down and leaving your thread now. __________________ I'm funner than AIDS, and easier to explain to your parents.

01-04-2009, 12:40 PM	#23
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	A vagina. __________________ .

01-04-2009, 12:41 PM	#25
hypedough Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Now running NATS4: HypeDough.com! Posts: 3,743	My personal answer is: A girl who does what was agreed to before the shoot, shows up on time with her IDs and has a positive outlook on the shoot. Plus a good model doesn't keep asking "how many more pics" or "how many more positions", etc.. __________________ Ricky D :: Hype Dough President \| XBIZ.net \| ICQ 172-939-826 AIM+Skype HypeDough \| [NATS4] Kayden420: ['09 '10 '11 XBIZ Nominee \| Exclusive & HD] \| ThePornScout: [Exclusive + Reality \| Amateurs Want to Become Pornstars]

01-04-2009, 12:52 PM	#27
qxm Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NoHo Posts: 5,970	1. Must be really beautiful .. (Aria Giovanni or Peaches kinda beauty) 2. Must not act like a whore 3. Should not agree to do hardcore ... all softcorish 4. Must have a resume that clearly says I am a fucking pro model 5. Most provide several references 6. Last but DEFINITIVELY NOT LEAST ... must NOT .. have a cock... __________________ ICQ: 266990876

01-04-2009, 12:59 PM	#28
Bama Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 2,727	Calling a girl a "professional" or even a "model" just because she'll get naked in front of the camera is like calling every webmaster a "business man/woman".

01-04-2009, 02:09 PM	#30
collegeboobies So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,644	well first qualification is she gets paid for showing her stuff

01-04-2009, 02:13 PM	#31
diesel Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 1,097	Professionalism of the model vs my efforts to create content of our standards Less efforts=more professionalism

01-04-2009, 02:28 PM	#32
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	What makes a girl, in your opinion, a professional model? In her personal life she dodges cum. At work she does not. In her personal life she doesn't take it up the ass. At work she does. And she has the ability to convince us that she's into anything she's doing. __________________ SPECIALTY COSTUMES • PROPS • FX Superheroes • Monsters • Robots PM for details For any manufacturing needs. Adult or otherwise. aka BonsHigh on Insta Bonsai weed plants

01-04-2009, 04:29 PM	#35
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	it would be nice if they were 'professional' in the sense of the word that means somebody does a job to the best of their ability, shows up on time, good attitude and all the rest. good luck - you're dealing with young girls, expecting them to be professional is asking and expecting a lot. I know some girls are very professional about their modeling/porn careers but unfortunately the customer who buys this stuff and the affiliates who promote it don't care how easy the girl is to work with and how hard she works - so I'll take the pinhead/brat/bitch who stands out above the rest over the professional with average looks and personality. it's show biz - look at what shit managers and agents put up with from mainstream actors and actresses and rock stars and rap artists and prima donna pro athletes. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

01-04-2009, 05:04 PM	#36
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Most of what has been said I agree with but I would add a couple of points for shooting erotic videos, the first time girl brings a spontinaity and freshness to shoots that the pros sometimes fail to bring. For photo shoots experienced models can give you far more in suggestions and poses.... Sadly good attitude is not really linked to professionalism.... __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

01-04-2009, 05:18 PM	#37
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	Professionalism is professionalism. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

01-04-2009, 09:48 PM	#38
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Professional model? That's a girl who has been paid for advertising campaigns and makes more than $50k a year. Sex is optional, not required. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

01-04-2009, 10:34 PM	#41
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	There is no such thing as a professional model.

01-04-2009, 10:39 PM	#42
Shameless Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 330	She cashes her check within 90 days so it's good (lol) __________________ "Internationally Know & Locally Respected"

01-04-2009, 11:14 PM	#43
ExLust Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,223	A professional model is somebody does best of her ability, shows up on time, good attitude and productive on the advertisement's side too. __________________ BE A PARTNER

01-05-2009, 12:08 AM	#44
Semi-Retired-Dave Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LA Posts: 11,190	A professional Model is one that makes a living off of modeling. Punctuality plays a big roll in any job, but especially modeling. Not only nude modeling. A model can make a great career out of just modeling if she takes it serious. I'm talking Big Money! Magazines, Billboards and all sorts of print ads pay BIG BUCKS. __________________ Support a Good Cause

01-05-2009, 11:14 AM	#47
Semi-Retired-Dave Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: LA Posts: 11,190	If you are a reliable model, you will get all kinds of work. People spend big bucks to produce big budget ad campaigns. If you are trying to get a name for yourself as a model, all it takes is a couple late show ups and a couple no shows and your name will be on the bottom of the list. Doesn't matter who you are! Its all about Creditability. __________________ Support a Good Cause

01-05-2009, 06:00 PM	#48
TarPy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 758	I hate to be picky, but since we're basically talking about the definitions of these words. Main Entry: 1pro·fes·sion·al Pronunciation: \prə-ˈfesh-nəl, -ˈfe-shə-nəl\ Function: adjective Date: 1606 1 a: of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession b: engaged in one of the learned professions c (1): characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2): exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace 2 a: participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer> b: having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier> c: engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football> 3: following a line of conduct as though it were a profession <a professional patriot> Main Entry: pro·fes·sion·al·ism Pronunciation: \-ˈfesh-nə-ˌli-zəm, -ˈfe-shə-nə-ˌli-\ Function: noun Date: 1856 1 : the conduct, aims, or qualities that characterize or mark a profession or a professional person 2 : the following of a profession (as athletics) for gain or livelihood I think both of these words cross 2 very different connotations. At pichunter we force anyone who "accepts money for their photos" into the "Porn Site Models" forum, because we take a very olympic definition of the word amatuer. However, I've been told that all of my photos are amateur, yet it's $800 worth of lights and an SLR lens and 8.0+ megapixels. However no one has ever accused me of lacking "professionalism" on a set. (at a convention bar, sure, but not on set). certain things are simply polite in any situation. My question is would the models who fail to show up on time for work show up on time or appropriately dressed for anything other than clubs? Grandma's birthday, a date with a guy, a mainstream job, or a shoot? Some of the people being alluded to lack organization and manners in most if not all situations not just on set. But hey, if you don't feel a girl is ready to shoot, turn her away at the door. Don't make the mistake of "trying it". If she walks in looking rough, turn her right around no money. That is just business, and is professional. __________________ Not Working

01-05-2009, 06:23 PM	#49
PSSuperstars Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,477	One question to ask though.. If you've got a photographer who is used to banging his girls.. or posting on adult message boards saying, "Wow we didn't get much work done that day.." and the reputation gets around.. How many professional girls do you think you're gonna get? I think the same question should be asked.... What makes a professional photographer? Certainly not bragging on an adult messageboard about how many of them fucked him. Bragging about sales.. new fetish ideas... and a new lighting set... maybe ;) But not talking about how many you fucked... __________________ Porn's Best Kept Secret : PSOCash.com : Make Money Promoting Phone Sex in Members Areas, TGPs, and MORE! : Lifetime 30% Payout *Best Webcam Referral Payouts* Last edited by PSSuperstars; 01-05-2009 at 06:24 PM..