Obamas gonna close Guantanamo Bay ....hmmmm

[Juicy D. Links]

Here comes the "change"



Obama meets with military advisors, orders closure of Guantanamo Bay

"Thursday he ordered the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention center an end to torture as an interrogation technique."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28797099/

[baddog]

Without giving any thought or what to do with the detainees. He will figure something out though . . . right?

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by baddog

Without giving any thought or what to do with the detainees. He will figure something out though . . . right?

He gonna send em all to Los Angeles

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

He gonna send em all to Los Angeles

I heard some rep suggested PA.

[2012]

god bless us

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally Posted by baddog

I heard some rep suggested PA.

Supermax in Colorado

These detainees will get killed in no time in these prisons

[Fletch XXX]

i want one of those orange jumpsuits, anybody sell em online?

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by baddog

Without giving any thought or what to do with the detainees. He will figure something out though . . . right?

Oh no they have an offer from some senator or something that has a mininum security facility they can put the detainees into.

Saw that on FAUX Noise last night.

[uno]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

i want one of those orange jumpsuits, anybody sell em online?

I've seen people wearing em at metal shows since 98 or 99.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by baddog

Without giving any thought or what to do with the detainees.

Where does it say that?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by baddog

Without giving any thought or what to do with the detainees. He will figure something out though . . . right?

OMG!!

If we let them go we will lose the 2 wars.............

There's no shortage of fighters dude, and if these people ever had any information
that information changed 7 years ago.

We complained about Sadam's secret prisons/torture and shit but here were are trying to
out do him with the same shit.

The issue is this : if we are going to torture people too then don't use evil leader/torture
as a reason to liberate people.

This will help reverse our democracy from eroding into hypocrisy.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Where does it say that?

It seems they have in fact thought it out, theyre going to Europe (maybe)

http://www.boston.com/news/world/eur...o_de tainees/

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by baddog

Without giving any thought or what to do with the detainees. He will figure something out though . . . right?

He's going to let them loose in all the states that went for McCain.


C'mon dude, you're smarter than that....why do you always make these straw man arguments? (Yeah, I'm sure that the President Obama gave no thought whatsoever to what to do with the prisoners.....he just unlocked the gates and said he'll figure something out later....pffffft.)

It'll be closed within a year and they've put a group together to look at all of the options concerning what to do with the prisoners before they close Gitmo.

It's not like they kicked them all out yesterday with $100 in pocket money and a bus ticket to the destination of their choice.

[Babaganoosh]

A lot of the detainees aren't even guilty of anything except not cooperating with the U.S.. Who can blame them for that? In their position I wouldn't cooperate either.

Republitards are circulating emails around right now with an argument to the effect of "do you want terrorists in prisons inside our contry?" Really? That's the best they can do? First, very few are actually "terrorists." They are uncooperative at best, maybe actual enemy combatants at worst. At any rate, most were just fighting the occupation of their country. Again, who can blame them for that?

The trash we have in our prisons right now are infinitely more dangerous than prisoners of war. Put a herd of Muhammeds in general population at Sing Sing and see what happens. Our homegrown bad guys are much worse than those detainees. When those detainees get out, they won't be released in the US. Our criminals will.

[dav3]

Originally Posted by baddog

Without giving any thought

That was the previous administration that lacked thought in their agenda.

[seeandsee]

Obama for change

[robfantasy]

great to see his priorities in line...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/wo...er=rss&emc=rss


http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01...united-states/

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

"do you want terrorists in prisons inside our contry?"

American serial killers = criminals
Foreign serial killers = terrorists

One is welcome in their backyard, the other is not.

.....

People are stupid.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

great to see his priorities in line...

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01...united-states/

Wait, so the guy was held for 6 years FOR NO REASON and it's Obama's fault?
Are you saying that Obama should have just held him there until death just to avoid a lawsuit?

Was the lobotomy painful?

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by sortie

OMG!!

If we let them go we will lose the 2 wars.............

There's no shortage of fighters dude, and if these people ever had any information
that information changed 7 years ago.

We complained about Sadam's secret prisons/torture and shit but here were are trying to
out do him with the same shit.

The issue is this : if we are going to torture people too then don't use evil leader/torture
as a reason to liberate people.

This will help reverse our democracy from eroding into hypocrisy.

I gotta love how you can be counted on to pop up and say something completely idiotic in almost every thread.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh

Republitards are circulating emails around right now with an argument to the effect of "do you want terrorists in prisons inside our contry?"

You would think that having Arab Muslims getting gang raped in the showers and/or shanked by some gangstas would be an appealing option to the people who want to hold them indefinitely without trial or charge or counsel.


Would be cheaper too, so the deficit hawks should jump on board as well.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by cykoe6

I gotta love how you can be counted on to pop up and say something completely idiotic in almost every thread.

Translation : "I'm too fucking stupid to understand you therefore you must be wrong."

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Wait, so the guy was held for 6 years FOR NO REASON and it's Obama's fault?
Are you saying that Obama should have just held him there until death just to avoid a lawsuit?

Was the lobotomy painful?

so the first matter of business is to release suspected terrorists who when released go back to the battlefield and want to kill you -> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/wo...er=rss&emc=rss

as well as open the US government up to frivolous lawsuits from these peices of shit -> http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01...united-states/

man this seems unreal, i feel like im dreaming, i cant believe the mindset of some of you morons

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

so the first matter of business is to release suspected terrorists who when released go back to the battlefield and want to kill you -> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/wo...er=rss&emc=rss

as well as open the US government up to frivolous lawsuits from these peices of shit -> http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01...united-states/

man this seems unreal, i feel like im dreaming, i cant believe the mindset of some of you morons

Yes, releasing those who want to kill you is stupid. If he is truly a terrorist then he should be held. Whether at Guantanamo or not.

However holding someone who's never even been charged, much less found guilty, just because you're afraid he might sue you for it.... is well beyond moronic. And the fact that you think the possibility of a lawsuit is worth imprisoning a person for life is ok, tells me a lot about your mindset.

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Yes, releasing those who want to kill you is stupid. If he is truly a terrorist then he should be held. Whether at Guantanamo or not.

However holding someone who's never even been charged, much less found guilty, just because you're afraid he might sue you for it.... is well beyond moronic. And the fact that you think the possibility of a lawsuit is worth imprisoning a person for life is ok, tells me a lot about your mindset.

this response speaks for itself..

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

this response speaks for itself..

Which is the point of making responses. To let them speak for themselves...

seriously. The lobotomy. Painful or no? Do you find it hard to shop for hats?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

this response speaks for itself..

It sure does.

It says that you don't trust anyone else in government to decide if these people
committed crimes except Bush.

That's scary!

[cess]

Originally Posted by sortie

OMG!!

We complained about Sadam's secret prisons/torture and shit but here were are trying to
out do him with the same shit.

[czarina]

you guys are soooo OK with torture because you've never being in the receiving end. It's a horrible thing, and what Bush did by allowing prisoners or terrorism-suspects to be tortured was a terrible crime.
I'm not saying that these people are innocent. But torture is not the way!

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

as well as open the US government up to frivolous lawsuits from these peices of shit -> http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01...united-states/

man this seems unreal, i feel like im dreaming, i cant believe the mindset of some of you morons

Tell you what, enlighten me.

This guy is a terrorist by your account, yes? Deserves to be there, shouldn't be let out, right?

So what are you afraid of? His lawsuit should be an open and shut case, no? Hasn't got a chance of winning. Right??

So what's the big deal?

UNLESS..... you think he will win. Hmm...

[Rangermoore]

When are people going to learn that these scum bags do not have the same rights as all of us AMERICANS have. They get no court protection....Thats why I just shot them when I cought them in Iraq, that way they would never see the court system. but hey I helped them out by letting them meet their god sooner....

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by StuartD

Tell you what, enlighten me.

This guy is a terrorist by your account, yes? Deserves to be there, shouldn't be let out, right?

So what are you afraid of? His lawsuit should be an open and shut case, no? Hasn't got a chance of winning. Right??

So what's the big deal?

UNLESS..... you think he will win. Hmm...

these are 2 seperate articles you idiot

[robfantasy]

Originally Posted by Rangermoore

When are people going to learn that these scum bags do not have the same rights as all of us AMERICANS have. They get no court protection....Thats why I just shot them when I cought them in Iraq, that way they would never see the court system. but hey I helped them out by letting them meet their god sooner....

FINALLY, someone with some intelligence and common sense

thank you for all you have done for this great country, you are a hero in my book

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

these are 2 seperate articles you idiot

So I have to ask you about both articles to get an answer about one?

You should sue the doctor that did your lobotomy.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Rangermoore

these scum bags do not have the same rights as all of us AMERICANS have. They get no court protection....Thats why I just shot them when I cought them in Iraq, that way they would never see the court system.

You're contradicting yourself. If they have no rights, why would you worry about them seeing the court system?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by cess

Quick, look at the TV...Obama's on again...you lost.

Now wallow in your sorrow.

Na na nahhhhhhhhhhh na;
Na na nahhhhhhhhhhh na;
Hey hey hey...fuck you.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by robfantasy

FINALLY, someone with some intelligence and common sense

thank you for all you have done for this great country, you are a hero in my book

So all I have to do to be a hero in your book is shoot an Iraqi?

Cool.

[Poindexterity]

Originally Posted by Rangermoore

When are people going to learn that these scum bags do not have the same rights as all of us AMERICANS have. They get no court protection....Thats why I just shot them when I cought them in Iraq, that way they would never see the court system. but hey I helped them out by letting them meet their god sooner....

"we hold these truths to be self evident,
that all men are created equal and endowed
with certain unalienable rights by the creator."

i guess it's not as self evident as they thought.

you sir, are an enemy of the USA.

[CIVMatt]

All I've seen is that he's going to close the camps not the base... anyways I lived there for 5 years, be sad to see it go, I put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into building that place

[dyna mo]

Gitmo is a symbol of torture- so the closure will be mostly symbolic. the whole point of housing detainees at Gitmo was to put them outside of the American legal system, a practice that was struck down by the Supreme Court when it ruled that detainees have habeus rights.

the Bush administration tried to walk around domestic and international principles of law, creating the “unlawful combatant” so that they could hide detainees from due process indefinitely and conduct kangaroo courts.

If they’d just stuck with the existing definitions, all the Gitmo detainees against whom they could build a real case under the actual rules of law, without torture and without rigging the courts, would have been tried...already. If found guilty, the death penalty would have been warranted in some cases.

Trying detainees won't appear legitimate unless we bring them under the American system, and if we do that some very bad men will go free.

But that is Bush's failing, not Obama's. This was inevitable the minute the Bush administration decided to authorize torture.

[Lamis]

Excellent. Bush convinced the world, to hate USA, during the last 10 years. Everywhere an American goes, he's hated, no matter what. Obama wants to change that.

Obama is acting to make the world happy with USA again, at the expenses of having 50% of the nazi population of USA (like Texas) hate him.

In short, the World and Democarts like people from California, will love all what he does. And nazis + republicans will be angry.

He closed all those illegal prisons where TORTURE was practiced on a daily basis and the Human Rights Watch was complaining every day. All those nazi-american soldiers will finish working at mcdonalds now, heh.

Go OBAMA Go!

[Lester Burnham]

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

Supermax in Colorado

These detainees will get killed in no time in these prisons

True dat.

I gotta laugh when people say, "oh no..not on our soil!" If the suspected terrorists are in the Colorado Supermaxx, they may as well be on the moon. They ain't getting out, and nobody is going to get to them.

Shit, put them in Pelican Bay, Marion, etc., and those suspects might talk real quick. Who needs torture when you have gang rapes, beat downs, solitary confinement, rogue guards, and all the other shit inmates go through in some of our toughest prisons. Hell, they might be screaming, "send me back to Gitmo please!!"

[SabrinaStuart]

Originally Posted by Lester Burnham

True dat.

I gotta laugh when people say, "oh no..not on our soil!" If the suspected terrorists are in the Colorado Supermaxx, they may as well be on the moon. They ain't getting out, and nobody is going to get to them.

Shit, put them in Pelican Bay, Marion, etc., and those suspects might talk real quick. Who needs torture when you have gang rapes, beat downs, solitary confinement, rogue guards, and all the other shit inmates go through in some of our toughest prisons. Hell, they might be screaming, "send me back to Gitmo please!!"

I thought the same thing... child molesters last weeks, terrorists I would give a few days once the other inmates find out. Might be the simplest way of handling everything... let the natural pecking order of prisons take care of them.

[JamesK]

Good move for America

[spacedog]

I say execute all of them by firing squad then shut it down.

[D Ghost]

ALcatraz!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cyandin]

Originally Posted by Lamis

...at the expenses of having 50% of the nazi population of USA (like Texas) hate him.

Don't be an idiot. We're not a state of neo-nazi's. Yes, it's a red state. Yes, is has it's share of racists idiots, but they're a very very small minority. Besides, Mississippi has way more of the unsavory people you describe within its borders than we do.

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by Cyandin

Besides, Mississippi has way more of the unsavory people you describe within its borders than we do.

They just make them bigger in Texas

Sorry, couldn't resist (since we're being all stereotypical and all)

[CIVMatt]

Originally Posted by spacedog

I say execute all of them by firing squad then shut it down.

Exactly, they wouldn't be there if they weren't guilty of something

[StuartD]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Exactly, they wouldn't be there if they weren't guilty of something

I don't know. That one guy is going to file a lawsuit for being there for 6 years without being charged. That roblobotomy guy seems to think he has a shot at winning which would lead me to believe that he may be telling the truth.

Besides, for all the lies we've heard about WMD's, I have no doubt they'd lie about just about anything else if it meant getting info out of someone.