RIAA, Congress and DMCA

[kenny]

# Lobbying Maneuvers. Another, more Machiavellian motive, O'Neil speculated, would be a quid pro quo on the part of the ISPs. In recent years, the RIAA has been heavily lobbying Congress to limit or scale back the safe harbor provisions of the DMCA More about DMCA. The RIAA is well connected on the Hill, and it looked possible at one point that the ISPs were at risk of losing some or a significant portion of the safe harbor provision.

"It may be that the ISPs thought it might be more prudent to cooperate with the RIAA," said O'Neil, "at least on the legitimate concerns of the theft issues, in the hopes that they would back off from attacking safe harbor."

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/...ire-66639.html

Think they will ever succeed?

They have been trying forever

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1027-5078609.html

[kane]

Originally Posted by kenny

Think they will ever succeed?

I will not be at all surprised to see some kind of law change that allows people to better go after torrent sites and sites like youtube. I also wouldn't be shocked to see ISPs banning users for downloading from torrent sites or full on blocking access to them.

[kenny]

Originally Posted by kane

I will not be at all surprised to see some kind of law change that allows people to better go after torrent sites and sites like youtube. I also wouldn't be shocked to see ISPs banning users for downloading from torrent sites or full on blocking access to them.

I hope it does happen. These sites that steal and give media away for free are growing fast and are really starting to have have an impact of those who are trying to sell that media.

I don't care what anybody says.. this is not the right evolutionary path for any business

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by kenny

I hope it does happen. These sites that steal and give media away for free are growing fast and are really starting to have have an impact of those who are trying to sell that media.

I don't care what anybody says.. this is not the right evolutionary path for any business

Slippery slope.

Once you start regulating the net, history has proven that government will keep going and going, and taxing, and limiting along the way.

I hate theft as much as anyone. However, I also have opened a history book.

[kenny]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Slippery slope.

Once you start regulating the net, history has proven that government will keep going and going, and taxing, and limiting along the way.

I hate theft as much as anyone. However, I also have opened a history book.

Still..

I turn on a TV or computer and everything I see wrong stems from a lack of regulation.

But I get what you're saying.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by kenny

Still..

I turn on a TV or computer and everything I see wrong stems from a lack of regulation.

But I get what you're saying.

Do not get me wrong. I share your disgust as an original content provider with copyright.

I simply do not trust the government.

[VetaD]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Do not get me wrong. I share your disgust as an original content provider with copyright.
I simply do not trust the government.

Its not only not trusting government but mostly control of the free net.

I'm against the piracy period but no government shall have that much power/control of what should and should not be on the internet.

just my

[Matt 26z]

Technology always wins. Pirates will find a way.

[kane]

Originally Posted by kenny

I hope it does happen. These sites that steal and give media away for free are growing fast and are really starting to have have an impact of those who are trying to sell that media.

I don't care what anybody says.. this is not the right evolutionary path for any business

Typically I am against regulation, especially when it comes to the internet, but I think they should be allowed to put something in place where a company could show some kind of proof that a site is illegally posting its music/movies or whatever and the ISPs or hosts could just block access to that site. In many of the cases it would be pretty easy. You could got to your favorite torrent site and see that they have several torrents up that allow people to download movies that are still only available in the theater so you know they are doing it illegally and the site either comes down or access to it is shut off.

Obviously it is a slippery slope so there would have to be some kind of safety valves in place to make sure their wasn't abuse of the system.

I have been reading that a lot of ISPs are starting to limit the amount of downloads people can make (bandwidth wise) because some nodes get heavy torrent traders on them and it bogs it down for all the other users. So the solution could simply come from the ISPs who are trying to curb their cost cutting off access to these types of sites or making people pay more to get access to them.

[gideongallery]

Originally Posted by kane

Typically I am against regulation, especially when it comes to the internet, but I think they should be allowed to put something in place where a company could show some kind of proof that a site is illegally posting its music/movies or whatever and the ISPs or hosts could just block access to that site. In many of the cases it would be pretty easy. You could got to your favorite torrent site and see that they have several torrents up that allow people to download movies that are still only available in the theater so you know they are doing it illegally and the site either comes down or access to it is shut off.

Obviously it is a slippery slope so there would have to be some kind of safety valves in place to make sure their wasn't abuse of the system.

I have been reading that a lot of ISPs are starting to limit the amount of downloads people can make (bandwidth wise) because some nodes get heavy torrent traders on them and it bogs it down for all the other users. So the solution could simply come from the ISPs who are trying to curb their cost cutting off access to these types of sites or making people pay more to get access to them.

yeah i sort of agree with this, if an isp does cut off users it not really because they fear the RIAA will take down the safe harbor provision (it just and excuse). hell less than 3% of the population believe filesharing should be illegal (down from 25% when the RIAA started their lawsuits against fans) so there really is no way in hell that a politician is going to commit pol suicide by voting for that type of crappy bill.

However since the bandwidth issues can be solved by implementing torrent proxies. Bringing the swarm off the backbone and on the local loop (without blocking the distribution) it really not the best way to solve the bandwidth problem.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

It's not possible to effectively take them down, but it should be possible to make it harder to find them, as most of the people use google etc. to look for these sites.

You should ban any site that contains or points to illegal content from publically acccessible search engines etc.

Of course there's always this web 2.0. shit where administrators will be hiding behind their "surfers" putting the links up.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Slippery slope.

Once you start regulating the net, history has proven that government will keep going and going, and taxing, and limiting along the way.

I hate theft as much as anyone. However, I also have opened a history book.

That's what I mentioned in the other thread - it's not that simple, the only country that has it in place that comes to my mind is Germany.

And it's no fun, even if you comply with their requirements.