deceiving and misleading

[gnet]

It's amazing how most adult sites I visit have some method of deceiving the user into clicking. Even the large sites post misleading content, force popups, display layers with fake "X" buttons to close the layer, and so on.

Is it impossible for an adult site to exist and be successful without deceiving their users?

[gnet]

Nothing?

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by gnet

Is it impossible for an adult site to exist and be successful without deceiving their users?

Our sites have no deceiving popups or misleading links - so our experience says yes.

But that said...comes down to how you define successful.

[Quagmire]

I dunno. Is it possible for a webmaster/affiliate to profit without handing out 5+ minute videos like the tube site in your sig?

[gnet]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

I dunno. Is it possible for a webmaster/affiliate to profit without handing out 5+ minute videos like the tube site in your sig?

Sure, it's possible to profit without having to scrape embed codes from other tube sites, but I don't know what that has to do with my question.

[Legendary Samir - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I know one program that had 30 minute free trial that converted to 39.99 join. Pretty cool eh?

[fris]

hard to find a video based site that doesnt have a popup, popunder, exit, anything shady these days.

[MetaMan]

mainstream corporate companies do no kind of deceiving behavior i am EXTREMELY shocked that adult would do anything even remotely the same.

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by gnet

Sure, it's possible to profit without having to scrape embed codes from other tube sites, but I don't know what that has to do with my question.

Same answer applies. Its possible, but I think we both know its less profitable the other way in both cases.

Right?

[gnet]

Maybe I'm naive, but I want to believe that the more trustworthy your site is, the easier it will be to sell to those users.

The same principles apply in the the mainstream world. Companies that mislead their potential customers rarely survive. Why doesn't this apply to this industry?

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by gnet

Maybe I'm naive, but I want to believe that the more trustworthy your site is, the easier it will be to sell to those users.

The same principles apply in the the mainstream world. Companies that mislead their potential customers rarely survive. Why doesn't this apply to this industry?

In a perfect world, sure. But the reality is volume, volume, volume. They (generalization) want to sell as much as possible now and most don't give a rat's ass about whether or not they fucked the surfer. They want the sale. There will always be new suckers.

Its easier to run a totally clean operation when you are dealing with a microniche. There are many smaller programs like that running through CCBill.

[gnet]

Originally Posted by Quagmire

Same answer applies. Its possible, but I think we both know its less profitable the other way in both cases.

Right?

What other way are you talking about?

What does a tube scraper have to do with misleading users into clicking fake content?

[Jack Sparrow]

Originally Posted by gnet

What other way are you talking about?

What does a tube scraper have to do with misleading users into clicking fake content?

Judging from that reply i may assume you think using a scraper is ok. "Misleading" surfers isnt? May i ask you something, did you ever run a site?

Just asking, no offense.

[gnet]

I don't see how there's anything wrong with scraping embed codes from sites that allow embed codes. Being that this is my first site, I could be wrong. But, I can't see it.

[papill0n]

the irony in this thread is off the hook

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by gnet

Being that this is my first site, I could be wrong. But, I can't see it.

of course you cant see it and after visiting your site with 40 minute movies and no advertising I doubt you will it anytime soon.

carry on soldier

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by gnet

Nothing?

check out any of the atk sites or nubiles.net

[shwsrvcs]

<title>Free XXX Videos | OVidz.com</title>

THIS is the problem here... your title says it all... what more do you want? We all are here trying to make a dollar and your offering FREEE XXXXXXX VIIIDDDEOOOS!!!!

We have no pop ups, unders, sideways, nothing.. we run a really respectable operation here... I believe our model will find it's way and be big. We have great exclusive content, an honest affiliate program, we are not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.

Can you do the same?

DG

[qxm]

misleading, deceiving, conniving .......... yeap .......... welcum 2 adult

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by papill0n

of course you cant see it and after visiting your site with 40 minute movies and no advertising I doubt you will it anytime soon.

carry on soldier

Quoted for the truth

[shwsrvcs]

YOU EVEN HAVE OUR CONTENT ON YOUR SITE AT:

http://www.ovidz.com/Watch/440383/Li...-&-Brynn-Tyler

but on this page is there anything to monetize it? is there anything that links back to us? NO! all there is, is our video.. for fucking FREE

Are you making money from this? We arent... so this is stolen content that does not help either of us.

Can an adult site exist without misleading content, force popups, display layers with fake "X" buttons to close the layer, and so on?

YES.. but not when there are people that allow stolen content to be given away for FREE like you are doing on your site.

DG

[Agent 488]

many of these guys don't even know where their content comes from, about sponsors and that the affiliate model even exists. i'm not exaggerating.

[shwsrvcs]

To everyone else but the original poster...

Is this actionable?

DG

[shwsrvcs]

Originally Posted by gnet

I don't see how there's anything wrong with scraping embed codes from sites that allow embed codes. Being that this is my first site, I could be wrong. But, I can't see it.

There is no EMBED CODE FOR OUR VIDEO THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR SITE!

[Agent 488]

as an aside i think they guy is talking about other sites like his that monetize their tubes with pops, exits, fake players etc...........

[gnet]

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs

YOU EVEN HAVE OUR CONTENT ON YOUR SITE AT:

http://www.ovidz.com/Watch/440383/Li...-&-Brynn-Tyler

but on this page is there anything to monetize it? is there anything that links back to us? NO! all there is, is our video.. for fucking FREE

The video is there, but we're not hosting it. It's hosted over at Empflix.com (as stated on that page). If you're the owner of that content, I suggest you contact them.

We just spider the sites and grab their embed codes. There's no way for us to know if a video is stolen or not.

[gnet]

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs

There is no EMBED CODE FOR OUR VIDEO THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR SITE!

Again, that video is on Empflix.com. Here's the link: http://www.empflix.com/view.php?id=29277

Once they remove the video, it will no longer appear on my site or any other site that has their embed codes.

[shwsrvcs]

Originally Posted by gnet

The video is there, but we're not hosting it. It's hosted over at Empflix.com (as stated on that page). If you're the owner of that content, I suggest you contact them.

We just spider the sites and grab their embed codes. There's no way for us to know if a video is stolen or not.

Oh.. I didn't know that. I guess its all okay then....

that must be the totally legal way to do it... if they have it then it must be okay.

DG

[shwsrvcs]

OHHHH! I see....

stealing content from someone who is already stealing is a totally different thing than stealing content, I get it now!!!

I am going to make a site:

http://ovidz.littlemutt.com/

and it will be just a mirror of your site... would you be okay with that?

That way I can offer it up to people that want to see free XXX Videos and I won't have to do any video production or even have to find any models what so-ever. I can just spider your site and put the things that you find with your embed codes and programming and I can just sit back and watch the profits roll on in right?

LOOK... I'm not looking to shut you down or anything, but if this is what your doing, it's not Kosher.

We have some great tools in our affiliate program that we are working on now and developing and judging from what you are doing with your site currently, I think you have some good programming skills and have alot of talent. It is your best interest to find a way to monetize your skills and develop a way to do the things that you are doing in a fashion that will work best for you and be able to work along with the people that work and live in this board. You can do this without stealing content from other sites and you can do this without having to compromise the ideals that we have here on GFY and pissing people off.

All I am saying is this.... You can do better.

DG

[garce]

Originally Posted by gnet

I don't see how there's anything wrong with scraping embed codes from sites that allow embed codes. Being that this is my first site, I could be wrong. But, I can't see it.

Maybe you should disappear for another four years and try again with a new first site in 2013. Or never. Your choice.

[garce]

I just visited your site and...

1,620 videos added in the last 24 hours! No advertising! You're bitching about shady tactics? You have almost a half million videos that you've ripped from other sites and you're complaining? You don't even have the balls to host the videos yourself!

Fucking wow. Having seen it all, I'm going to shut up and walk away now.

[pornbling]

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs

OHHHH! I see....

stealing content from someone who is already stealing is a totally different thing than stealing content, I get it now!!!

I am going to make a site:

http://ovidz.littlemutt.com/

and it will be just a mirror of your site... would you be okay with that?

That way I can offer it up to people that want to see free XXX Videos and I won't have to do any video production or even have to find any models what so-ever. I can just spider your site and put the things that you find with your embed codes and programming and I can just sit back and watch the profits roll on in right?

LOOK... I'm not looking to shut you down or anything, but if this is what your doing, it's not Kosher.

We have some great tools in our affiliate program that we are working on now and developing and judging from what you are doing with your site currently, I think you have some good programming skills and have alot of talent. It is your best interest to find a way to monetize your skills and develop a way to do the things that you are doing in a fashion that will work best for you and be able to work along with the people that work and live in this board. You can do this without stealing content from other sites and you can do this without having to compromise the ideals that we have here on GFY and pissing people off.

All I am saying is this.... You can do better.

DG

If you do some mirror sites that wouldn't be nice, listings will drop or maybe you will spam the hell of his site and get it banned asap from google (This isn't nice either);

Anyway all I want to say is all those tube sites are dropping sign up rates I don't even want to promote paysites anymore because the rate is fucked up or at least that is what the program owners say. I saw a 1:10000 and program owners that count traffic as uniques only visitors that go to the order page.

[gnet]

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs

OHHHH! I see....

stealing content from someone who is already stealing is a totally different thing than stealing content, I get it now!!!

No, not really, but it seems you're convinced that I'm somehow stealing. I have no problem removing any video that has been illegally uploaded to any of the spidered tubes (as I did with your video: http://www.ovidz.com/Watch/440383/Li...-&-Brynn-Tyler).

Again, there's no way for me to tell if a video is illegal or not.

I am going to make a site:

http://ovidz.littlemutt.com/

and it will be just a mirror of your site... would you be okay with that?

That way I can offer it up to people that want to see free XXX Videos and I won't have to do any video production or even have to find any models what so-ever. I can just spider your site and put the things that you find with your embed codes and programming and I can just sit back and watch the profits roll on in right?

LOOK... I'm not looking to shut you down or anything, but if this is what your doing, it's not Kosher.
[/quote]

I think you're venting to the wrong person. I'm not the only hosting and distributing your content. You can express your concerns with me until your pass out, but that won't stop the real problem -- tube sites that don't have a faster video removal process for those videos that are illegally uploaded.

We have some great tools in our affiliate program that we are working on now and developing and judging from what you are doing with your site currently, I think you have some good programming skills and have alot of talent. It is your best interest to find a way to monetize your skills and develop a way to do the things that you are doing in a fashion that will work best for you and be able to work along with the people that work and live in this board. You can do this without stealing content from other sites and you can do this without having to compromise the ideals that we have here on GFY and pissing people off.

I already have monetized my skills, for I program and deal with IA for a living in the mainstream world.

As far as accusing me of stealing... again, these sites offer their embed codes to everyone. I don't condone the stealing of content, but there's very little we can do.

[gnet]

Originally Posted by garce

I just visited your site and...

1,620 videos added in the last 24 hours! No advertising! You're bitching about shady tactics? You have almost a half million videos that you've ripped from other sites and you're complaining? You don't even have the balls to host the videos yourself!

Fucking wow. Having seen it all, I'm going to shut up and walk away now.

So, in order to have balls, I need to host the videos myself? Again, this site spiders other sites. We are not a tube site. We don't allow any uploads. We're just a portal for other tube sites. You might as well also express your concerns to Google and Yahoo for posting links to these tube sites that host your videos.

We don't have ads because we're building an audience first, studying the traffic patterns, and then we'll determine how to monetize the traffic.

It seems those of you who are blowing a gasket over over this are more upset over the tube sites that allow your content to live on their servers, rather than me. I can remove your link but it won't do a damn thing in the long run.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by gnet

As far as accusing me of stealing... again, these sites offer their embed codes to everyone. I don't condone the stealing of content, but there's very little we can do.

If I was to steal cars and then put them on tow trucks with the keys in them and then put a sign on each truck saying free cars would the people who took them be locked up for stealing?

of course they would.

[Diomed]

Some one should do a confidence play similar to Review Sites,

something like HonestFreePorn.com , or HonestPorn.com.

With all the facts, zero bullshit, full explanation of all charges even more so than it being clearly on the page, an area where if they are skeptical or have concerns they can send join questions, something without all the bullshit that they can trust 110% with an ongoing reputation.

But yes,

it's sad.. deceiving and misleading is a huge factor for most of us.

I will be honest and say I definitely juice up the text a bit.

[gnet]

Originally Posted by papill0n

If I was to steal cars and then put them on tow trucks with the keys in them and then put a sign on each truck saying free cars would the people who took them be locked up for stealing?

of course they would.

This analogy would work if I went ahead and downloaded the illegal flv file from these tube sites and hosted them on my server.

But I didn't.

[shwsrvcs]

[QUOTE=gnet;15903474]So, in order to have balls, I need to host the videos myself? Again, this site spiders other sites. We are not a tube site. We don't allow any uploads. We're just a portal for other tube sites. You might as well also express your concerns to Google and Yahoo for posting links to these tube sites that host your videos.

We don't have ads because we're building an audience first, studying the traffic patterns, and then we'll determine how to monetize the traffic.

It seems those of you who are blowing a gasket over over this are more upset over the tube sites that allow your content to live on their servers, rather than me. I can remove your link but it won't do a damn thing in the long run.[/QUOTE]

OKAY.. LOOK, do not be trying to pass the blame for some shit that you are doing and that you have total control over because it's your site. I am talking about you and nobody else in this post right here on GFY, which by the way.... you started.

Remove my link then.... inform us here on this board when you do so that I can verify it. then I will go and get after the next offending party. As previously stated, I don't mind you having our content on your site, but why not do it legit and why not make money with it for you and for me? We offer 50 percent payout to all of our affiliates, we offer 60 percent to all of our GOLD affiliates. You can study traffic patterns all you want but listen to me when I say this, Jerry Yang and I are friends. I KNOW Jerry Yang, Me and Jerry are really good friends, and you SIR, are NO Jerry Yang. YOU are not going to create a next new Yahoo with what you are doing and YOU are not going to be the next big porn business that expands what we do here to make a living. The only thing that you are doing by providing links to tube site thru your portal without any sort of way to make any money is stealing money from all of us here on this board and many more people that work in this business that don't even post here.

Blowing a gasket??? LOL.. my O-ring is fine. People that think that because they can get away with things because everone else does it is a malaise that has overtaken this nation, ney... OUR WORLD. I would dare to say that the avenue that you have taken to follow along with and thing that you are getting over with your way of thinking is by far an large the main problem with society in our world at large. These things are horrid and suck and blind your vision since you can not even for in the simplest terms determine what what you re doing is implicitly WRONG.

Just admit what you are doing in WRONG.

SO, my friend, HOW SAY YOU?

Dave G

[MikeSmoke]

Originally Posted by gnet

the real problem -- tube sites that don't have a faster video removal process for those videos that are illegally uploaded.

Personally, I think the real problem with bank robbers is that most don't drop the bags fast enough when the dye packs go off.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by gnet

We are not a tube site.

yes you are what else woudl you call yourself?

We don't allow any uploads.

But you sure do encourage it.

http://www.ovidz.com/Submit

[Mr. Cool Ice]

Originally Posted by SilentKnight

But that said...comes down to how you define successful.

Given that you are in PORN, you can define "successful" by the amount of money you make. I doubt you're in this for the glory.

[gnet]

Originally Posted by shwsrvcs

Remove my link then.... inform us here on this board when you do so that I can verify it. then I will go and get after the next offending party.

I removed your link last night when I said I did in my previous post. Here the link again: http://www.ovidz.com/Watch/440383/Li...-&-Brynn-Tyler

As previously stated, I don't mind you having our content on your site, but why not do it legit and why not make money with it for you and for me?

I launched the site less than a week ago. I plan to add programs and apps eventually. But, before we add any advertisements, we first need to build an audience and study their behaviors and patterns. We've applied this approach in the mainstream world and it has worked. It is our belief that this approach can also work in the adult world, or any vertical for that matter.

You can study traffic patterns all you want but listen to me when I say this, Jerry Yang and I are friends. I KNOW Jerry Yang, Me and Jerry are really good friends, and you SIR, are NO Jerry Yang. YOU are not going to create a next new Yahoo with what you are doing and YOU are not going to be the next big porn business that expands what we do here to make a living. The only thing that you are doing by providing links to tube site thru your portal without any sort of way to make any money is stealing money from all of us here on this board and many more people that work in this business that don't even post here.

My aspirations are high, but Yang? Really?

I'm sure you already know this, but the videos already have embedded advertisements within the actual videos. They're not my ads. They belong to the tube sites. So SOMEONE is making money from these video. But, that shouldn't make it any better.

The biggest problem here, whether you care to admit it or not, is people who upload your content to these tube sites and the tube sites who don't immediately remove your content when you approach them. You told me that my database contained one of your videos. I immediately removed it. I sent you a link to the source tube that was hosting your video. Did you contact them yet?

Blowing a gasket??? LOL.. my O-ring is fine. People that think that because they can get away with things because everone else does it is a malaise that has overtaken this nation, ney... OUR WORLD. I would dare to say that the avenue that you have taken to follow along with and thing that you are getting over with your way of thinking is by far an large the main problem with society in our world at large. These things are horrid and suck and blind your vision since you can not even for in the simplest terms determine what what you re doing is implicitly WRONG.

Just admit what you are doing in WRONG.

SO, my friend, HOW SAY YOU?

Dave G

Maybe I wasn't clear before, but, my site is on autopilot. I don't approve or reject videos as they're being added to the database. It spiders nearly 20 tube sites throughout the day and automatically adds the new embed codes (as well as titles, tags, timestamps, and whatnot) to our database. There are PLENTY of other sites that do this. If I shut my site down, then 10 new ones will replace it. My suggestion, as I said before, is to remove your videos from the source (the actual tube sites).