What % of AFFILIATES are totally USELESS would you guess?

[CunningStunt]

I'd put it at perhaps 1 in 30 ever actually sells anything.

That's going from personal experience seeing the stats from one program owner mate of mine.

I can believe it.

[alias]

Depends on who you consider an affiliate and where you found them.

[CunningStunt]

It doesn't depend on anything other than knowing the number of webmasters who signed up supposedly to promote your program, and how many actually make a sale.

Those stats imply to me that probably only 1 in 30 webmasters who post on here actually know what they are doing, the rest are talking shit

[alias]

Did you run any contest threads? That is a great way to garner useless "affiliates".

[PowerCum]

Perhaps if his program converted better the ratio of actively promoting webmasters would be 1:10 ... who knows.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

It doesn't depend on anything other than knowing the number of webmasters who signed up supposedly to promote your program, and how many actually make a sale.

Those stats imply to me that probably only 1 in 30 webmasters who post on here actually know what they are doing, the rest are talking shit

I sign up to alot of programs and don't ever push a sale, lots of reasons why also. Could be lack of tools, shitty sites, or just wasnt what I was looking for.

I've also suddenly started a program sales after 2-3 years of dead time with no traffic, if it fits with something I'm working on, I use it.

I do believe like you said that MOST people who do sign up will never send a sale.

[Barefootsies]

5-10% of affiliates generate 90% of your sales.

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

5-10% of affiliates generate 90% of your sales.

Probably right, Pareto's law.

[Nicky]

Well most sponsors I have signed up with I have sent sales to, some much much more than others though. Depending on different things. But as you say I have like 40 people reffered to loaded cash and like 3-4 of them actually send any signups.

[aniloscash]

I just took a random sample. 10 affiliates. I spun the dial and hit an affiliate. this is a small sample to be statistically significant I probably needed to do this for 30. I got 3 users who sent traffic 0 sales. 3 who sent sales. and 4 with 0 clicks

so if you define useless as sending 0 sales 70% if you define useless as signing up and not sending traffic then the number is 40%

[camgirlshide]

1 person of over 100 on my ccbill referred affiliate list has generated a sale and that was only one time.

[camgirlshide]

It would be nice if you could find out if your referred affiliates for programs are sending traffic and just not converting or not sending traffic. I would guess it's not sending traffic, but it would be nice to know and possibly help out anyone just having conversion problems.

[wargames]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I sign up to alot of programs and don't ever push a sale, lots of reasons why also. Could be lack of tools, shitty sites, or just wasnt what I was looking for.

I've also suddenly started a program sales after 2-3 years of dead time with no traffic, if it fits with something I'm working on, I use it.

I do believe like you said that MOST people who do sign up will never send a sale.

Good point always treat all webmasters equally today's newb can be tomorrows whale

[Agent 488]

what % of sponsors are totally useless and could never convert a sale if you sat at a retards computer and typed the cc # in yourself? probably about the same.

[Robbie]

Right now affiliates are having a hard time (I know because I am one).
We don't have the command of traffic that we once had because the majority of our traffic is now at pornhub, redtube, and a couple of others.

And then the remaining traffic that we affiliates have left is unproductive because most people are used to getting the entire paysite members areas for free on torrent sites or illegit tubesites.

I don't even count the guys who "send" Search Engine traffic. Especially for the solo girl niche. They are just taking what SHOULD be the program owners sales.

For instance....google up Christy Marks. Every penny that Score pays FreeOnes on sales for her is money that they should have made for themselves. Except Freeones is smart enough to SEO their model pages and ScoreCash didn't bother to optimize that for themselves.

That's a mistake that too many people are making. And they are paying dearly for that mistake at a time when they need to be making every dollar they can due to piracy and the economy.

[CunningStunt]

Something tells me you could still make a few sales Robbie

[TiaLing]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

5-10% of affiliates generate 90% of your sales.

So very true !

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Freeones is smart enough to SEO their model pages and ScoreCash didn't bother to optimize that for themselves.

That's a mistake that too many people are making. And they are paying dearly for that mistake at a time when they need to be making every dollar they can due to piracy and the economy.

So fucking true.

[Riffhard]

I'm sure there are tons of surfers who click the Webmaster link on their favorite porn site thinking they can make some easy money. Then they give up when they realize it's not that easy.

[woj]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

5-10% of affiliates generate 90% of your sales.

[BaldBastard]

I bet its a higher percentage, than webmasters on gfy who actually make sales.

[FrozenJag]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I sign up to alot of programs and don't ever push a sale, lots of reasons why also. Could be lack of tools, shitty sites, or just wasnt what I was looking for.

I've also suddenly started a program sales after 2-3 years of dead time with no traffic, if it fits with something I'm working on, I use it.

I do believe like you said that MOST people who do sign up will never send a sale.

Hit the nail on the head.

[sandman!]

99%...........

[dready]

I sign up for a lot. It's usually after some spamming affiliate manager has cold called me on ICQ promising the world. I send traffic for a few weeks, and usually the conversions are crap and that's when I drop them.

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by Jdoughs

I sign up to alot of programs and don't ever push a sale, lots of reasons why also. Could be lack of tools, shitty sites, or just wasnt what I was looking for.

I've also suddenly started a program sales after 2-3 years of dead time with no traffic, if it fits with something I'm working on, I use it.

I do believe like you said that MOST people who do sign up will never send a sale.

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

5-10% of affiliates generate 90% of your sales.

I aim to be in that 5% - 10% Right now you'll see me pushing very very few sales, if any. But I have a lot to focus on... launching 5 sites over the next 9 months is no easy task when you design, develop, and market everything yourself. However it's a lot of fun for me. Each individual site is like a personal development playground for me. My review site was first, next is a new twist on a TGP site, lots more in the works.

At the end of each development cycle I buy a moderate amount of traffic to throw at the site in a short amount of time to test scalability and conversion rates from different traffic sources. Once all 6 sites are up (they're all under one brand) I'll buckle down and focus on marketing, traffic, and brand development. Additionally, I take a break midway through a development cycle to reanalyze my SEO and make adjustments as needed.

The first site is already paying for the dedicated box so it's a break even for me I see a few sales here and there but that's no my focus... I guess what I'm saying here is who knows what affiliate out of those other 90% - 95% will soon be pushing you a ton of leads. Treat'em all with respect, it's just generally better for your own business that way anyway

From personal experience... out of the 200 sponsors I've signed up with so far, Twistys has treated me the best.

[DaddyHalbucks]

It's probably the 10/ 90 rule.

[beemk]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Right now affiliates are having a hard time (I know because I am one).
We don't have the command of traffic that we once had because the majority of our traffic is now at pornhub, redtube, and a couple of others.

And then the remaining traffic that we affiliates have left is unproductive because most people are used to getting the entire paysite members areas for free on torrent sites or illegit tubesites.

I don't even count the guys who "send" Search Engine traffic. Especially for the solo girl niche. They are just taking what SHOULD be the program owners sales.

For instance....google up Christy Marks. Every penny that Score pays FreeOnes on sales for her is money that they should have made for themselves. Except Freeones is smart enough to SEO their model pages and ScoreCash didn't bother to optimize that for themselves.

That's a mistake that too many people are making. And they are paying dearly for that mistake at a time when they need to be making every dollar they can due to piracy and the economy.

so scorecash owns google and the rights to all of their traffic? thats good to know.

[eroticsexxx]

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

out of the 200 sponsors I've signed up with so far...

Holy shit!

That's a sponsor management nightmare when you're doing it solo...

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by beemk

so scorecash owns google and the rights to all of their traffic? thats good to know.

No, and I don't know what to even make of your statement.

They DO own the Christy Marks website. So if nothing else they should take the time to optimize her name in the search engine so that when a surfer is specifically looking for her...he comes to them. Has nothing to do with "owning" google or "rights" of their traffic.

The only traffic that is looking for Christy Marks specifically and nobody else should be going to her site...IF Score Cash is taking the time to optimize it.

I think there was a post on here a few weeks ago where a person said that maybe instead of opening a shitload of new sites, that perhaps programs should start optimizing what they already have.

That's intelligent advice. Especially when I compare it to the "owning googles traffic" statement that you just made.

[Pipecrew]

the ones that run to a message bnard over the slightest error before emailing support. Generally 95%

[jakethedog]

7-10% of my affiliates hammer in sales for me .. the others .. well not so much ..

[Iron Fist]

I signup to download the porn you won't show on your tours...

Sorry about that.

[missyouth]

Originally Posted by sharphead

I signup to download the porn you won't show on your tours...

Sorry about that.

YOU ARE BLACKLISTED ON MY SITE

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by sharphead

I signup to download the porn you won't show on your tours...

Sorry about that.

LOL. I've done that in the past. But would normally at least run a ppc campaign for few weeks to trial the program, see if it was worth pushing.

[BestXXXPorn]

Originally Posted by eroticsexxx

Holy shit!

That's a sponsor management nightmare when you're doing it solo...

One of the nice things about being a developer is being able to design your own DB schema and being able to use it in whatever ways you'd like. So one DB with all the sponsors and each site belonging to that sponsor (as well as links, FHGs, etc...) allows me to use it in an infinite amount of ways. From end user sites to administration

When flying solo it's a necessity :D

[ShellyCrash]

I think as others have said, the 80/20 rule applies, but I wouldn't say that the ones who aren't sending traffic are useless.

Most webmasters diversify, so there's a bit of a revolving door. Someone who isn't sending traffic now may send traffic 2, 3 months down the road, maybe even over a year after joining.

So yeah, while some registered affiliates may never promote your program, most are valuable leads. Just my

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Robbie

No, and I don't know what to even make of your statement.

They DO own the Christy Marks website. So if nothing else they should take the time to optimize her name in the search engine so that when a surfer is specifically looking for her...he comes to them. Has nothing to do with "owning" google or "rights" of their traffic.

The only traffic that is looking for Christy Marks specifically and nobody else should be going to her site...IF Score Cash is taking the time to optimize it.

I think there was a post on here a few weeks ago where a person said that maybe instead of opening a shitload of new sites, that perhaps programs should start optimizing what they already have.

That's intelligent advice. Especially when I compare it to the "owning googles traffic" statement that you just made.

Exactly right. Because that means that it is usless for others to work the SE route on her as they are top listed and the surfer will naturally go to herdomain.com over something else. That does not mean that the number 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 guys wont make money.. They will but that way score is pocketing most of it.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Exactly right. Because that means that it is usless for others to work the SE route on her as they are top listed and the surfer will naturally go to herdomain.com over something else. That does not mean that the number 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 guys wont make money.. They will but that way score is pocketing most of it.

Yes. In theory an affiliate is bringing NEW eyes to the website. That's what we are paid for as affiliates.

I would value an affiliate who could SEO Claudia-Marie to the number one spot for "Big Tits" on google. Now THAT would be worth the 10 grand + a month I'd be paying out in commission. But the guys who seo to get on the first page for her NAME? They aren't bringing in a single dollar that wouldn't be mine anyway. Not one new set of eyes.

[Agent 488]

hey man be happy for those support your site by ranking for a solo girl name and actually send joins to the solo girl's site -

there are people who will rank for a name and send the joins to some generic multipass site or whatever - i see it happen all the time.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Yes. In theory an affiliate is bringing NEW eyes to the website. That's what we are paid for as affiliates.

I would value an affiliate who could SEO Claudia-Marie to the number one spot for "Big Tits" on google. Now THAT would be worth the 10 grand + a month I'd be paying out in commission. But the guys who seo to get on the first page for her NAME? They aren't bringing in a single dollar that wouldn't be mine anyway. Not one new set of eyes.

[LeRoy]

There are 5k plus US affiliates at DTI Cash and 300 are sending traffic.

On the JP side there are 50k active Japanese affiliates and over 1000 of them are sending traffic.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by budsbabes

hey man be happy for those support your site by ranking for a solo girl name and actually send joins to the solo girl's site -

there are people who will rank for a name and send the joins to some generic multipass site or whatever - i see it happen all the time.

That's true...BUT they are wasting their position in the search engine and may not be able to even keep that position. Search engines aren't "dumb" anymore.

Plus they would be wasting the effort because surfers whom are searching for a specific girl have ZERO interest in a mega-site full of generic content that is already available for free on every torrent and illegit tube site.

Though what you are saying was pretty prevalent even a year or two ago. It's not real smart for them to do now, at least not if they want to make money.

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by LeRoy

There are 5k plus US affiliates at DTI Cash and 300 are sending traffic.

On the JP side there are 50k active Japanese affiliates and over 1000 of them are sending traffic.

6% sending traffic, and in Japan, 2%.

What percentage of those actually make sales?

Good to hear from someone who runs a program.

[Hentaikid]

50k japanese affiliates? Wow...

[andrej_NDC]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

5-10% of affiliates generate 90% of your sales.

I would use 5-95 with traffic...with income more like 1-99.

[u-Bob]

An affiliate who hasn't sent you any traffic or sales in over 2 years could still be your next whale...

[SCORE Ralph]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The only traffic that is looking for Christy Marks specifically and nobody else should be going to her site...IF Score Cash is taking the time to optimize it.

CMK was optimized from the get-go. CMK is fairly new and not a large mega-content site; opposite of Freeones which is a huge and very content-rich site. If he beats others in SEO (they dominate many other sponsor sites who in your opinion should get all the sales), he earned his cut. The site on its own took some time to get to 3. Lets not also forget that Christy was featured on some of our sites before she had her own website, Freeones was one of the first affiliates to generate her page and start making sales off her name.

[SCORE Ralph]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

5-10% of affiliates generate 90% of your sales.

I'd say thats prety close to ours

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Right now affiliates are having a hard time (I know because I am one).
We don't have the command of traffic that we once had because the majority of our traffic is now at pornhub, redtube, and a couple of others.

And then the remaining traffic that we affiliates have left is unproductive because most people are used to getting the entire paysite members areas for free on torrent sites or illegit tubesites.

I don't even count the guys who "send" Search Engine traffic. Especially for the solo girl niche. They are just taking what SHOULD be the program owners sales.

For instance....google up Christy Marks. Every penny that Score pays FreeOnes on sales for her is money that they should have made for themselves. Except Freeones is smart enough to SEO their model pages and ScoreCash didn't bother to optimize that for themselves.

That's a mistake that too many people are making. And they are paying dearly for that mistake at a time when they need to be making every dollar they can due to piracy and the economy.

SEO is a skill, and if you don't have that skill, you have to pay for it. So whether they pay Freeones, or pay some slacker some astronomical fee to do it and adjust it every time SE's change, they are paying.

[BradM]

We find only 10% of affiliates are active, and of that maybe 30% push any volume.