Popunders any good for you in terms of sales?

[Badmaash]

I thought i'd try popunders but they do not seem to be converting..... its only been a week but still after 2000 uniques to sponsor from popunder I thought id get a sale especially when my ratio is 1:500 through the blog....

I take it that popunders have quite worse ratios?

[Spudman]

from my experience they are pointless as ratios are shocking and just piss surfers off.

[RenegadeCash Mark]

They, were useful quite some time ago.......

[ravo]

We've got lots of buyers for our popunders, so, yes, I'd say they are useful for making sales.

But, you have to send more than 2000 popunders before you can make any type of judgement; try 50K-100K popunders before making a decision.

[closer]

Originally Posted by Spudman

from my experience they are pointless as ratios are shocking and just piss surfers off.

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[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by RenegadeCash Mark

They, were useful quite some time ago.......

just like those fake IM popups

[Badmaash]

Originally Posted by ravo

We've got lots of buyers for our popunders, so, yes, I'd say they are useful for making sales.

But, you have to send more than 2000 popunders before you can make any type of judgement; try 50K-100K popunders before making a decision.

Exactly!!

Why should I send 50K - 100K traffic when I should be conevrting at a lower ratio?

The traffic is specific and the popunder is specific to the niche... but no sale. This means that popunders convert at higher ratio's than usual on SE traffic although I am not really willing to wait around and see when.

If I had tgp's or tubes then I could test the 50K traffic but unfortunately I am on blogs at the moment....

Thanks for the advice, might try it when I have a tube/tgp up.

[ravo]

It's definitely a numbers game; yes, the conversion ratio will be a lot worse then from a targetted link, but that's why popunders sell for only $1-$2 per 1000.

[TheDoc]

As an affiliate, you shouldn't pop a sponsor directly unless they are prepaying for traffic and/or they rock the doors for you.

Take your pop under and niche it up, put 5-10 near match niches, then 3-4 really off niches. Squared out blocks.. simple stuff.

And or...

Go for a bad ass hard pitch, bright colors... Get X site + X site, for this bonus price.. make the click go the join page.

[camperjohn64]

I was delivering about 20k popunders a day to unfiltered traffic, and made sales. The ratio was about 1/35,000. (yes you read that right)

When I removed the popunders, I made 0 sales per day.

Why not use them then...?

[Badmaash]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

As an affiliate, you shouldn't pop a sponsor directly unless they are prepaying for traffic and/or they rock the doors for you.

Take your pop under and niche it up, put 5-10 near match niches, then 3-4 really off niches. Squared out blocks.. simple stuff.

And or...

Go for a bad ass hard pitch, bright colors... Get X site + X site, for this bonus price.. make the click go the join page.

Sounds like you are saying do not popunder direct to a program, instead create a sales page that is shown.... with what you said:

put 5-10 near match niches, then 3-4 really off niches. Squared out blocks.. simple stuff

This will give the vistors how wnated this niche to go to the near matches and the others who came looking for something else also something to click on (off-niches)

Yeah... will build a sales page and run pops on it next week and if that does not look good either then will just remove the popunder and stop pissing off my visitors... and try again when I have a tube later.

Thanks for the info....

[Badmaash]

Originally Posted by camperjohn64

I was delivering about 20k popunders a day to unfiltered traffic, and made sales. The ratio was about 1/35,000. (yes you read that right)

When I removed the popunders, I made 0 sales per day.

Why not use them then...?

How much traffic was your site(s) getting that ran this pop>?

[Badmaash]

Lol - just saw the sticky, dating gold is doing popunders..... damn, only if I had a tube setup... oh well gotta be patient and finich off the blog network fisrt.

[The Porn Nerd]

I love it when people say: "Send 50k-100k to blah blah blah before you judge." Listen people: SENDING 100,000 HITS TO A BLANK FUCKING PAGE THAT SAYS 'JOIN' WILL GET YOU A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SALES.

In other words: sending 100k hits to ANY FUCKING THING should make you SOMETHING.

But my point is this: WHO has 50k to 100k they can just 'send' this way and that? If it's coming from TGP traffic then that 100k is, ultimately, shite anyway.

Hey, send 100k to www.felluciablow.com and make 200 sales yo! Send 100k hits to www.sexxybrandon.com and make 100 sales yo! Send 100k hits to www.misterpeabodyworld.com and make... you get the point.

Yeesh already with this 'send 100k' replies!

[Badmaash]

Originally Posted by camperjohn64

I was delivering about 20k popunders a day to unfiltered traffic, and made sales. The ratio was about 1/35,000. (yes you read that right)

When I removed the popunders, I made 0 sales per day.

Why not use them then...?

Your case is different and popunders make sense for that... but perhaps not the best thing for niche target SE traffic.....

I am going to pull the popunder end of next week after I tried doc's advice.... at least I experienced popunders first hand.

[SykkBoy]

To add to what TheDoc put, make sure to use EFFECTIVE popunders...just putting a pop under doesn't mean shit if there's no compelling reason for the surfer to click...

[ravo]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

I love it when people say: "Send 50k-100k to blah blah blah before you judge." Listen people: SENDING 100,000 HITS TO A BLANK FUCKING PAGE THAT SAYS 'JOIN' WILL GET YOU A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SALES.

In other words: sending 100k hits to ANY FUCKING THING should make you SOMETHING.

But my point is this: WHO has 50k to 100k they can just 'send' this way and that? If it's coming from TGP traffic then that 100k is, ultimately, shite anyway.

Hey, send 100k to www.felluciablow.com and make 200 sales yo! Send 100k hits to www.sexxybrandon.com and make 100 sales yo! Send 100k hits to www.misterpeabodyworld.com and make... you get the point.

Yeesh already with this 'send 100k' replies!

The point I was trying to make is that you have to send a *significant* amount of traffic (any type of traffic, that is) before you can judge the quality of the traffic. Sending 2000 popunders is barely enough to make a dent.

You need to send at least $100 worth of traffic to a program to see if it will convert. Don't believe me? Read an excellent article by an old-timer; http://www.buildinganempire.com/poisson2.html - it's old but VERY relevant.

[Badmaash]

Yeah.... but having to send 50K - 100K to get 'a sale' rings alarm bells to me straight away.

For example I launch a mainstream site and from day one to 30 I made 9 sales on 50 hits a day.... no need to wait for mega traffic

To have to send such large traffic in the first place (50K) in just to a sale to me means something is wrong... could be traffic, could be the popunder, could be girl on popunder, or it just means that the popunder method is no good for what I want to achieve which is the 1:500 conversion ratio.....

[camperjohn64]

Originally Posted by Badmaash

How much traffic was your site(s) getting that ran this pop>?

I was doing about 90k per day, but I couldn't just send arbitrary popunders when I wanted. Since I had some terms with the owners of the sites, I could only send popunders under certain conditions. So I got about 20k per day to do with as I pleased.

Since I knew nothing of where the traffic came from, I just put a popunder to random affiliates and see what I caught.

It only lasted a couple months anyway before the traffic dropped back to the 30k per day, which gave me about 5k popunders.

[Evil Ryan]

Blur consoles should be used to offer your surfer an alternative to the site you are trying to sell them but were unable to as they are leaving your site.

For example, lets say you are pushing a gay twink site, after the surfer has left your site without buying, the blur console (or normal console that you pop) should have several other gay niches listed, bears, latin, mature, jocks, hardcore, etc, basically give your surfer another alternative and do not send that traffic directly to a sponsors tour page, it simply wont work, like that (popping a tour on the console, instead of offering up an option) the best thing you can do, when you pop the console is to give your surfer choices so they get to sites that you own, whether they be your own tgp, hub sites, directory or link lists... Then start the selling all over again for a different niche/site.

If you need any help with gay traffic be sure to shoot me an email or head on over to http://www.condomcash.com/ryan/ and signup ;)

[Badmaash]

Originally Posted by Evil Ryan

Blur consoles should be used to offer your surfer an alternative to the site you are trying to sell them but were unable to as they are leaving your site.

For example, lets say you are pushing a gay twink site, after the surfer has left your site without buying, the blur console (or normal console that you pop) should have several other gay niches listed, bears, latin, mature, jocks, hardcore, etc, basically give your surfer another alternative and do not send that traffic directly to a sponsors tour page, it simply wont work, like that (popping a tour on the console, instead of offering up an option) the best thing you can do, when you pop the console is to give your surfer choices so they get to sites that you own, whether they be your own tgp, hub sites, directory or link lists... Then start the selling all over again for a different niche/site.

If you need any help with gay traffic be sure to shoot me an email or head on over to http://www.condomcash.com/ryan/ and signup ;)

I was thinking this too:

"give your surfer choices so they get to sites that you own, whether they be your own tgp, hub sites, directory or link lists... Then start the selling all over again for a different niche/site."

However I do not think I will use popunders after next week having tried all these variation of pop use at all since you can utilise sidebars to give these alternative options instead....

[ravo]

Originally Posted by Badmaash

Yeah.... but having to send 50K - 100K to get 'a sale' rings alarm bells to me straight away.

I didn't say 50K to get ONE sale; I said send 50K to see how it does.

If you read the buildinganempire article, you'll see what I mean. (50K of popunder traffic has a 'value' of about $100; that's why I picked that amount of traffic).

You *cannot* base your conversion assumptions about traffic or about a program's capabilities on *ONE* sale.

I'm just trying to bust some commom myths about conversions ratios and how to test them. I get too many clients buying $25 worth of traffic, not getting one sale from it, and then concluding that either the traffic is crap, or the site is crap. It's just doesn't work that way; you need to send a *lot* more traffic than a few thousand hits to make any kind of judgement.

[st0ned]

Mine do decent, I rotate my sponsors (cams, dating, etc) on my own traffic and probably pull an extra 1-2k/month from them.

[Evil Ryan]

Originally Posted by Badmaash

I was thinking this too:

"give your surfer choices so they get to sites that you own, whether they be your own tgp, hub sites, directory or link lists... Then start the selling all over again for a different niche/site."

However I do not think I will use popunders after next week having tried all these variation of pop use at all since you can utilise sidebars to give these alternative options instead....

You are missing the point, you give them options on your sites using sidebars, header/footer navigation, etc however, when it comes to consoles, you are giving them one last chance to click through to somewhere else.

To use a somewhat similar 'real world' analogy its like when you go to McDonalds and ask for a burger... You go in just wanting a burger, you only order a burger but you also get asked 'would you like fries with that?' The console is in effect asking that same question, 'would you like to checkout teens, mature women, lesbians, amateurs, twinks, jocks, etc' whether the surfer clicks a link on it or not is the answer $0.02

You should also be popping lower priced joins on consoles, not full priced, $1 or free trial options work best, especially if you are trying to sell them full priced monthly on the site you are popping the console from.