California OUTLAWS big screen televisions!

[L-Pink]

In a state that clearly needs to get it's shit together they have now gone even wackier and started the TV police.

"In a move that could spell the end of the plasma TV industry as we know it, the state of California agreed today to enact strict regulations on the amount of power televisions can consume, effectively outlawing most large plasma TVs as of January 1, 2011, with many more televisions set to be banned beginning January 1, 2013"

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/154...er-hungry-tvs/


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[dyna mo]

brought to you by the state the fucked us all on power with the 25 billion dollar enron deal.

[Martin]

Yeah I heard this was coming. Amazing.. The green fascist are taking over America.

[marketsmart]

good law.. it will push all the negro's and white trash out of the state..

all us rich folk have in home theaters now...

[cherrylula]

they should start with the fridge and washing machine companies, they use more power than TVs

[theking]

Good move for the State.

[NBBCash Matze]

omg never thought that such a stupid law could be possible in the US. In germany there is a similar stupid law, normal bulbs are no longer available, only energy-saving bulbs.
Without my PanaPlasmaTV I would go postal.

[czarina]

air conditioners use more power... why dont they ban those?

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by czarina

air conditioners use more power... why dont they ban those?

Ain't it hot as fuck in Cali?

[Lace]

Wtf, this is ridiculous! So glad I don't live in broke ass California!

Stop cracking down on dispensaries and let the marijuana bring in some revenue for you. They could make so much more money with that shit, it's unbelievable!

[Dirty Dane]

What if someone generate their own green power?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

California OUTLAWS big screen televisions!

A) No they didn't moron.

B) the law they did pass is not worth getting all pissy over. Especially if you think it through.

[Sly]

I'm curious how many of you guys actually read the article. I think it's a good thing. It will impact pretty much nobody except the electronics companies and will reduce energy consumption at the same time. Many of the electronics companies are already capable of meeting the new energy efficiency standards. If anything, it is pushing energy hogs off the market and bringing the efficient ones into the market.

[Les Grossman]

The way I see it, it's your power bill, run with you want. Until the state pays your electric bill, they need to stay out of your house.

[justinsain]

If you read the whole article it makes perfectly good sense..





































..why I live in Florida

[CyberHustler]

Originally Posted by Les Grossman

The way I see it, it's your power bill, run with you want. Until the state pays your electric bill, they need to stay out of your house.

Yeah, because as long as you can afford to waste energy... you might as well do it. Fuck everybody else.

[bronco67]

It sounds like most TV's fall into the guidelines, so it might effect those 3 people that own a 100 incher.

Anyway, isn't Plasma a dying technology? I thought everyone was moving to LCD because it looks just as good and suck way less juice. It also works better in every kind of room lighting, weighs less, costs less, etc.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by GatorB

A) No they didn't moron.

B) the law they did pass is not worth getting all pissy over. Especially if you think it through.

Good morning to you too Gator


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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Sly

I'm curious how many of you guys actually read the article. I think it's a good thing. It will impact pretty much nobody except the electronics companies and will reduce energy consumption at the same time. Many of the electronics companies are already capable of meeting the new energy efficiency standards. If anything, it is pushing energy hogs off the market and bringing the efficient ones into the market.

i read the article.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by NBBCash Matze

omg never thought that such a stupid law could be possible in the US. In germany there is a similar stupid law, normal bulbs are no longer available, only energy-saving bulbs.
Without my PanaPlasmaTV I would go postal.

are you going to believe the person that posted this without actually READING what has been passed or using LOGIC?

Let me use a brighter shade of crayon for the confused ones.

TVs are becoming more and more efficient every year. By the time this law take effect only the most cheap ass POS TVs will not be in compliance. Why would you want one of those anyways.

For example, Panasonic's 54-inch VIERA plasma TV would be allowed to draw 281 watts of power in "on mode." Today that set is rated to draw 293 watts of power. Smaller plasmas are generally OK under the 2011 specs, but virtually all of them fall short when put up against the 2013 rules. That same 54-inch plasma will be required to draw only 175 watts once 2013 arrives, a power reduction that just might not be possible.

Just because this tard doesn't think it's possible doesn't mean it's not. Now if improvements cause power cosumption to drop 23% every 18 months by 2013 that 293 watt TV will only only use 173 watts. 2 watts under the law.

Also TV using less power means less drain on the electrical grid which means less power pants needed. Guess who would have paid for those new power plants that needed to be built Einsteins?

All told, the new rules are expected to save 6,515 Gigawatt-hours annually in the state, save the state $8.7 billion in costs for additional power plants, and save consumers $8.1 billion a year in lower energy bills.

My math says that's $225 for every man woman and child in California. You don't like saving money?

[theking]

Originally Posted by bronco67

It sounds like most TV's fall into the guidelines, so it might effect those 3 people that own a 100 incher.

Anyway, isn't Plasma a dying technology? I thought everyone was moving to LCD because it looks just as good and suck way less juice. It also works better in every kind of room lighting, weighs less, costs less, etc.

I also thought that LCD is better...am I wrong?

[Jman]

Legalize weed but you can't play xbox on the big screen when your high anymore... LOLOL

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Good morning to you too Gator


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No problem. Too early in the morning for chicken little crap for my taste. Sorry.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by theking

I also thought that LCD is better...am I wrong?

That's a whole another thread unto itself. You'll have fanbois of both steadfastly defending their preference.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by theking

I also thought that LCD is better...am I wrong?

If you weigh the pros vs cons based on the things in my post, yes its better -- even if the plasma picture is just a little better(??), it's not discernible to the eye of most people, and doesn't make it a must buy just for that point alone.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by GatorB

No problem. Too early in the morning for chicken little crap for my taste. Sorry.

It just cracks me up to find a state on the verge of bankruptcy, paying their bills with IOU's taking the time to get involved in this kind of shit that the market will take care of eventually anyway.

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[Jim_Gunn]

Plasmas suck anyway. It's like watching tv through a reflective glass window. LCDs are far superior.

[theking]

Originally Posted by GatorB

That's a whole another thread unto itself. You'll have fanbois of both steadfastly defending their preference.

Well...I don't personally own either type...but I have seen both types and I personally give the LCD a slight edge on picture quality over the Plasma...but you are right...Plasma owners will probably defend the Plasma until they are blue in the face.

[rowan]

The article doesn't make it clear whether it's banning the SALE of new TVs that don't fit the bill, or banning the use of EXISTING TVs... if it's the latter then people may be forced to upgrade twice, once in 2011, then again in 2013...

[rowan]

One comment also points out that standby consumption could be more significant in low usage situations. Why not educate people to encourage switching off of phantom loads rather than legislating like this?

[theking]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It just cracks me up to find a state on the verge of bankruptcy, paying their bills with IOU's taking the time to get involved in this kind of shit that the market will take care of eventually anyway.

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Saving an additional eight billion dollars expenditure for the state...isn't worth taking the time?

[L-Pink]

PSSSST, wanna watch the Super Bowl on a big screen? Show up at this address with 50 bucks and ask for Big Louie ........


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[MaDalton]

should be done with air conditioning too

[baddog]

Originally Posted by rowan

The article doesn't make it clear whether it's banning the SALE of new TVs that don't fit the bill, or banning the use of EXISTING TVs... if it's the latter then people may be forced to upgrade twice, once in 2011, then again in 2013...

Try using some logic.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It just cracks me up to find a state on the verge of bankruptcy, paying their bills with IOU's taking the time to get involved in this kind of shit that the market will take care of eventually anyway.

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Well that's why I wouldn't be worried. TVs by 2013 will be under that requirement anyways. And the savings Californians will have by reduced consumption of electricity, well I'm not sure why anyone would be mad about that. California has been passing laws like this forever. People know this and if they really don't like it they should move because it's not going to change anytime soon. Almost any state they move to will have a lower cost of living anyways.

[12clicks]

I laugh and laugh.

vote idiot liberal, get idiot liberal.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

It just cracks me up to find a state on the verge of bankruptcy, paying their bills with IOU's taking the time to get involved in this kind of shit that the market will take care of eventually anyway.

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It isn't the State Legislator. It's the energy Board. This is their job. It's what they do.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by rowan

The article doesn't make it clear whether it's banning the SALE of new TVs that don't fit the bill, or banning the use of EXISTING TVs... if it's the latter then people may be forced to upgrade twice, once in 2011, then again in 2013...

It's the SALE.

The rules mandate that televisions sold in California starting in 2011 consume 33 percent less electricity than current models and 49 percent less by 2013. The regulations affect TVs that are 58 inches wide and less

Also note any TVs over 58 inches are exempt.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

I laugh and laugh.

vote idiot liberal, get idiot liberal.

Yes you vote for people that not only want you out of business but in prison. REAL fucking smart you dipshit. You're like a jew for Hitler or a black guy for the KKK. You're a walking talking contradiction. Now STFU already.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by Les Grossman

The way I see it, it's your power bill, run with you want. Until the state pays your electric bill, they need to stay out of your house.

That's one point and most people would agree with you. I don't, because I have different experiences and try to conserve energy for a few reasons. In the end there are those who will love the law and those who will hate it. Who knows how it will even impact most people, if at all.

[cykoe6]

Typical green party leftist nonsense. The big government commissars will not be happy until they control every minute aspect of your life.

[NBBCash Matze]

Originally Posted by GatorB

are you going to believe the person that posted this without actually READING what has been passed or using LOGIC?


Let me use a brighter shade of crayon for the confused ones.

TVs are becoming more and more efficient every year. By the time this law take effect only the most cheap ass POS TVs will not be in compliance. Why would you want one of those anyways.


Just because this tard doesn't think it's possible doesn't mean it's not. Now if improvements cause power cosumption to drop 23% every 18 months by 2013 that 293 watt TV will only only use 173 watts. 2 watts under the law.


Also TV using less power means less drain on the electrical grid which means less power pants needed. Guess who would have paid for those new power plants that needed to be built Einsteins?



My math says that's $225 for every man woman and child in California. You don't like saving money?

thx but I've read the article before I posted my answer.
Why, because I already own my plasma since 1 year, it's a great TV and I don't want to buy a newer TV before the old one is broken... Because I am so satisfied with my TV that I would buy the same again in few years (if there will be a shop that still sells these).
And no as long as electricity is affordable I would use my 480watt TV (but never mind, I don't live in california) .. and no Iam not so confused as you maybe think GatorB thx

[Sly]

I'm curious if you all are complaining about new car efficiency standards as well.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Yes you vote for people that not only want you out of business but in prison. REAL fucking smart you dipshit. You're like a jew for Hitler or a black guy for the KKK. You're a walking talking contradiction. Now STFU already.

what the rabble think they know never fails to make me laugh.

[theking]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

what the rabble think they know never fails to make me laugh.

You are apparently easily amused...many people with IQ's on the low side are.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by theking

You are apparently easily amused...many people with IQ's on the low side are.

yup, I'm dumb as a stump. h
life isn't fair for you smart fellers is it?

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by NBBCash Matze

thx but I've read the article before I posted my answer.
Why, because I already own my plasma since 1 year, it's a great TV and I don't want to buy a newer TV before the old one is broken... Because I am so satisfied with my TV that I would buy the same again in few years (if there will be a shop that still sells these).
And no as long as electricity is affordable I would use my 480watt TV (but never mind, I don't live in california) .. and no Iam not so confused as you maybe think GatorB thx

You wouldn't have to give up your current TV and buy a new one to be compliant. The new regulations would be for all TVs sold after that date.

[12clicks]

nice to see you still alive and kicking, pathfinder......punk :

[theking]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

yup, I'm dumb as a stump. h
life isn't fair for you smart fellers is it?

Other than my health issues...I do not have any complaints...but then again I do not consider myself to be smart...just average...which is clearly a notch above you.

[UniqueD]

just get lcd or oled tv's? i'd think they use far less power than plasma?