Internext at the Palms 2010 - GoFuckYourself.com

Evil Chris · 01-20-2010, 01:13 PM

By most accounts, I have heard that business was good at Internext last week, which is welcome news. I did get a lot of questions like "Will Internext still be around next year?" and also "Is the summer show still taking place?".

The answers are yes, and yes.

Internext is in no danger, nor is AVN. Take whatever you have heard with a grain of salt. There have been rumors without any substance going around. AVN and Internext are alive and well, and in the same period of change that all of us in the business are in.

FEEDBACK

If you were at Internext (or not, but especially if you were) last week, I'd love to hear your feedback on how to improve the convention. Constructive criticism please. My intention is to help Internext evolve into a convention that is up-to-date with the times.

Keep in mind that the January Internext cannot be easily compared to its summer counterpart or (for example) the Phoenix Forum. These two shows are very much self-contained in their respective locations. Las Vegas, as we all know, is a very unique location which presents challenges on several levels. Nonetheless, Las Vegas is a very popular spot for Internext.

I look forward to compiling your feedback.

RyuLion · 01-20-2010, 01:20 PM

It was overall good.
No Networking parties sponsored by you guys this year but I understand you guys have to make money.
Even I had meetings at the circle bar, I think its more of a tradition now.
I think If the price of the badge would be lower then you would get more registrations..
I never made it to the seminars.

alexchechs · 01-20-2010, 01:28 PM

I think the seminars could have been about more interesting subjects (ex. how to use social media tools in mainstream to generate revenue). The speed networking was great. But as you said it was Vegas so alot of people went off and did their own thing. But still a great show. Made alot fo contacts so I am happy

Just Mike · 01-20-2010, 02:03 PM

Chris,

I know this is a tough gig...and I think everyone appreciated your hard work.

Hope these ideas will be helpful.

I heard a really cool idea from one webmaster (Can't remmebr who told me) and when I mentioned it to a few other webmasters they loved it as well.

1) why not scrape the traditional show floor venue and opt for a complete turn around on the show idea.

2) Move the venue to a cheap hotel like the Gold Coast (Across the street) where the room rates were $25 a night and drinks were $1.

3) Get only a few larger sponsors to cover the rooms (Buy out the entire hotel if possible at $25 per night or less) so that every attendee now gets a free room and the sponsor can brand the hell out of the room, flyers, TV, inserts, etc in each room

4) get a large sponsor or two for the main floor bar (A la Circle bar) and have them issue free drinks to all attendees with the correct wrist band. Sponsors would get banners and promotions there as well.

5) Scrape the Seminars all together...opt for a web version instead

6) AVN would still charge the standard $299 for a pass but now the webmaster gets a free room and drinks included.

7) since much of the business is done outside the show floor and in the bar areas it would such a great way to maximize your event and on top of that create the "cool factor" for a show platform that desperately needs a change.

8) if you use these ideas pay me handsomely for my 2 cents.

SleazyDream · 01-20-2010, 02:05 PM

the only thing I found a little lacking which might cause judgment from someone newer to the industry or someone who saw a show floor pre 2004 is a lack of booths on the show floor...i only saw about 20

yet major companies threw amazing open and private events without a booth...

i did amazing business and found a large percentage of the major players in the game were there.

overall I had a great show and i want to thank AVN for putting it on. I liked it.

baddog · 01-20-2010, 02:12 PM

Your site could list time, date and subject matter of the seminars so one might decide if they should get up in time for them.

SleazyDream · 01-20-2010, 02:12 PM

some good ideas mike, i want to comment on a few though....

1) why not scrape the traditional show floor venue and opt for a complete turn around on the show idea.

i disagree - this is how many new people find out anything.... i'd suggest lowering booth prices or incentives to get more booths from all segments of the industry.....

2) Move the venue to a cheap hotel like the Gold Coast (Across the street) where the room rates were $25 a night and drinks were $1.

I agree. but make sure an amazing hotel is across the street for those that want to high roll. the gold coast is perfect with psalms across the street.

3) Get only a few larger sponsors to cover the rooms (Buy out the entire hotel if possible at $25 per night or less) so that every attendee now gets a free room and the sponsor can brand the hell out of the room, flyers, TV, inserts, etc in each room

or at least do everything possible to get free rooms for more women - cam girls, amateur site girls and content girls. more girls will make for a better porn show and less sausage fest. guys can pay

4) get a large sponsor or two for the main floor bar (A la Circle bar) and have them issue free drinks to all attendees with the correct wrist band. Sponsors would get banners and promotions there as well.

i don't know if this would help or not. cheap drinks in my mind is fine. free drinks brings the wrong people out.

5) Scrape the Seminars all together...opt for a web version instead

i think a lot of new webmaster go to the seminars... they have value. old school people rarely go. i don't see anything to change old school people's mind on that either. it's for newbies... and good for them

6) AVN would still charge the standard $299 for a pass but now the webmaster gets a free room and drinks included.

the price is ok but i think incentives to bring more women should somehow be included

7) since much of the business is done outside the show floor and in the bar areas it would such a great way to maximize your event and on top of that create the "cool factor" for a show platform that desperately needs a change.

workable......

8) if you use these ideas pay me handsomely for my 2 cents.

you can skip mike my room key wink wink

boneprone · 01-20-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexentertain_mike

Chris,

I know this is a tough gig...and I think everyone appreciated your hard work.

Hope these ideas will be helpful.

I heard a really cool idea from one webmaster (Can't remmebr who told me) and when I mentioned it to a few other webmasters they loved it as well.

1) why not scrape the traditional show floor venue and opt for a complete turn around on the show idea.

2) Move the venue to a cheap hotel like the Gold Coast (Across the street) where the room rates were $25 a night and drinks were $1.

3) Get only a few larger sponsors to cover the rooms (Buy out the entire hotel if possible at $25 per night or less) so that every attendee now gets a free room and the sponsor can brand the hell out of the room, flyers, TV, inserts, etc in each room

4) get a large sponsor or two for the main floor bar (A la Circle bar) and have them issue free drinks to all attendees with the correct wrist band. Sponsors would get banners and promotions there as well.

5) Scrape the Seminars all together...opt for a web version instead

6) AVN would still charge the standard $299 for a pass but now the webmaster gets a free room and drinks included.

7) since much of the business is done outside the show floor and in the bar areas it would such a great way to maximize your event and on top of that create the "cool factor" for a show platform that desperately needs a change.

8) if you use these ideas pay me handsomely for my 2 cents.

1. Those seminars are pretty popular with newbies especially. I went to one for the first time in years. Many years... And I saw people really into it, taking notes asking questions..
Ive personally never been a seminar kinda person but after sitting in a few this year and in years past like 2001, I can see why these are important. It draws people in who are intrested in getting into our biz. I think the seminars are important. To improve them you can diversify the kinds of seminars. But to axe them all together would be a mistake..

2. I heard a lot of people suggesting moving it to the Gold Coast thinkin that would be good as a cost issue. Personally I think it would be a mistake. Vegas is about being in Vegas. Nice places, quality, glitz and glamour.. When we used to have it at the Venetian there was a special feel and buzz about the place. The venue added to that. A lot of that was lost when we moved to the palms and I think it would be totally gone if we moved to the Gold Coast. Yes its cheaper. But its just right across the street so people with the lower budgets can stay there. People can have parties there. But when internext starts to lose even more of its glitz so does its appeal. Im not saying we need to have these things at the four seasons, but keeping it at the palms or somewhere a bit more upscale or something similar I think is important. The Gold Coast reminds me of a Indian Casino. Not Vegas.

The day our industry starts getting so low budget that I feel like I run some corner adult bookstore in the hood is when its time to get out. And the day internext starts to feel like that will be a low low day. Gold coast is nice for a show yes, but the image and low budget feel it would give I think would do more harm than good.

I cant see me convincing the wife that we are going to the Gold Coast.. Shit wont happen.

But you can bet the Anal Hobbit will make a killing selling flea collars if we move there..
Did anyone else feel overly itchy there? I think its infested with fleas.

Keep the quality internext. Keep the Quality.

Barefootsies · 01-20-2010, 02:20 PM

1. Seminars start at noon.

2. More 'teaching' and 'coaching' types of classes on new things in the industry. Ya know, hands on things that many would like to learn about, and invest in. Not the same ole seminars by the same ole people, talking the same ole bullshit we heard last show.

3. Better venue. Vegas is spread out, yes. But the way things are now, simply people spread all over the place and really no coherence. Circle bar requires an oxygen mask.

4. More parties, or actual get together's each night like MOJO's party. You got to see who all was at the show, and actually talk to them without screaming over loud ass music and smoke.

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Good additional ideas above.

Barefootsies · 01-20-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

2. I heard a lot of people suggesting moving it to the Gold Coast thinkin that would be good as a cost issue. Personally I think it would be a mistake. Vegas is about being in Vegas. Nice places, quality, glitz and glamour.. When we used to have it at the Venetian there was a special feel and buzz about the place. The venue added to that. A lot of that was lost when we moved to the palms and I think it would be totally gone if we moved to the Gold Coast. Yes its cheaper. But its just right across the street so people with the lower budgets can stay there. People can have parties there. But when internext starts to lose even more of its glitz so does its appeal. Im not saying we need to have these things at the four seasons, but keeping it at the palms or somewhere a bit more upscale or something similar I think is important. The Gold Coast reminds me of a Indian Casino. Not Vegas.

The day our industry starts getting so low budget that I feel like I run some corner adult bookstore in the hood is when its time to get out. And the day internext starts to feel like that will be a low low day. Gold coast is nice for a show yes, but the image and low budget feel it would give I think would do more harm than good.

Agreed.

I do not care for the Goldcoast, nor would like to see the conference moved there.

96ukssob · 01-20-2010, 02:27 PM

honestly, i didnt bother going to the show this year, wasnt worth the $250/$300 price tag. Rather, i connected with people and met up with them and spent the money on booze for our suite.

IMO, i see there is less and less "webmaster" events at these shows. when i first started going in 2004 there was a lot to do if you are a webmaster, now it is rare to run across someone unless they are a huge player in the industry.

what i think woudl be cool (and some others ive talked to agreed) would be for some of these webmaster programs to have some show time to show off their tools and software. I can see all the demos I want online, but i bet they could book a room to show off some new tube script and take customer work orders there on the spot. most software I have purchased I have had to have custom work done to meet my needs

finally, i think having it at the palms blows. the past two years ive stayed at the gold coast for $35/night instead of $200+ for the same type of room and this year i stayed at Harrahs (can't beat a free pimp suite). my vote is to bring it back to the strip so there is more to do and more options besides a single suite party at the palms. just my

LeRoy · 01-20-2010, 02:30 PM

Limit the # of billing companies.

or at the least limit them in the speed networking and seminars.

I know it's wishfull thinking.

boneprone · 01-20-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

1. Seminars start at noon.

2. More 'teaching' and 'coaching' types of classes on new things in the industry. Ya know, hands on things that many would like to learn about, and invest in. Not the same ole seminars by the same ole people, talking the same ole bullshit we heard last show.

3. Better venue. Vegas is spread out, yes. But the way things are now, simply people spread all over the place and really no coherence. Circle bar requires an oxygen mask.

4. More parties, or actual get together's each night like MOJO's party. You got to see who all was at the show, and actually talk to them without screaming over loud ass music and smoke.

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Good additional ideas above.

I agree more parties. But many companies just dont have the budget. And I know I said i wouldnt like to see the show moved to the gold coast, however having parties there is another thing. You get more bang for your buck there and sponsors are able to be more productive at lower budget rates with more bang to the party... This may be why the Palms is a good venue. Having the Gold Coast just right across the street does help..

With that said, I guess if internext moved to the Gold Coast all together I wouldnt mind. When im in Vegas I dont stay at the Palms anyhow. So for me to complain about having it somewhere nice is kinda hypocritical.. Its already below my standards for Vegas hotels to stay at. I guess whats another notch or two down. But it just sounds grooooose.

But most of you people are pretty trashy so maybe the Gold Coast is maybe fitting? LOL.

boneprone · 01-20-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

Limit the # of billing companies.

or at the least limit them in the speed networking and seminars.

I know it's wishfull thinking.

Billing is the only sector that is making money in our biz. Billing always wins!! Cant limit them. They're the ones paying to have the lights on at internext.. But yeah you can limit them in the seminars and such.

If there were less billing companies I doubt Internext would have happened. There sure was a lot of them at internext. But they pay for booths so more power to em.

Did I stop to talk to any of them? No.. But dont tell them that.
Let them think that having those booths was productive. Hell sign them up for recurring billing for next year. Precheck em for some other shit while you are at it.

djroof · 01-20-2010, 02:38 PM

we need pics!

boneprone · 01-20-2010, 02:40 PM

The decline at internext over the year is part the fault of internext itself. But the major fact of the matter is a lot of the industry is washing out. You can fine tune and optimize things to ride this out but dont lose your culture.. Dont change your image...

With that said it will be intresting to see if the Phoenix show puts up numbers like last year. I dont think it does.

Due · 01-20-2010, 02:43 PM

I decided to skip Internext this year for the following reasons:
1: Last year it was too spread out, people in all corners
2: There where more non industry related people than industry related people, as it took place in a casino
3: The show floor was pretty abandon, my thoughts was last year that people only stayed in their booth to avoid paying for an empty booth.
4: Most (new) business took place around the circle bar, which is cool but think about people paying for a booth.

Try and combine it somehow, moving the circle bar to the show floor or the show floor to the circle bar.

If gambling is a must, then get a dedicated area of the casino for the people attending the show, at least it will be easier to find new business at the table

kristin · 01-20-2010, 02:44 PM

I NEVER go to the show floor or pick up my badge. It's a lot of processors and such that I make my meetings beforehand and stick to that. I haven't paid for a badge in several years. The only reason I get it for summer Internext is because it's required to get in to the hotel, which sometimes I even work around.

I would put more of an emphasis around Speed Networking and finding ways to make sure the "group" is always together. I know it's harder in Vegas, but one reason people love the Phx Forum so much is that all of us are trapped in a hotel together forced to do biz with no outsiders and minimal interruptions.

This is just my two cents, I posted about the show and its success for me and I was really happy with Internext this year.

BAKO · 01-20-2010, 02:49 PM

Lot's of biz went down at the show, I love all the internext shows

Atominder · 01-20-2010, 03:02 PM

Hello guys and gals. We truly appreciate your feedback. Yesterday we had the 1st after-show meeting. I'm brining your comments and suggestions for the 2nd one. Thanks

ShellyCrash · 01-20-2010, 03:15 PM

I bought passes this year, but to be honest I didn't really need to. I enjoyed the speed networking, but the show floor was pretty dead and it seemed that everyone who wanted to get together and talk shop wanted to meet up somewhere else.

What everyone was saying before the show is true, for Vegas Internext you really can get good value out of the show w/o buying a badge. What I would suggest would be either lowering the badge prices or finding ways to add value to the badge itself. My first suggestion would be to team up with some of the events, maybe toss a few bones D Money's way and hook up with the Player's Ball so the show badge becomes the barrier to entry.

Another way to add value to the badge would be to go with a cheaper venue and partner up so attendees actually save money vs getting gouged like we have been. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Nugget is really alot nicer than you'd think. We took a cab to old town one night and had a fucking blast for a fraction of the price. We could seriously wreak havok on Freemont!!

Also the branding for show sponsors didn't seem as prominent. I don't know if it happened to anyone else but I know we got Palms room keys and I barely noticed the gigantic Pussy Cash banner in registration, it wasn't really in my line of sight.

Just my 2 cents. I've always liked the Internext shows and want to see you guys succeed, but I do feel something needs to be changed for the show to grow.

WiredGuy · 01-20-2010, 03:20 PM

You need to re-introduce different pricing. I will not pay $300 for a badge for access to the show floor and seminars. Sorry, but the ROI from the badge has nearly 0 value to me. I can understand for newbies looking to get into this business, but for established webmasters who don't attend seminars/show floors, it doesn't.

I'd like to also suggest a change of venue, nothing wrong with Palms, I've just had enough and would like to see something new. Maybe something smaller but try to keep it upscale. I realize you guys probably negotiate AVN/AEE/Internext all at the same hotel for collective bargaining reasons but it would be nice to get an upscale and smaller venue.

WG

baddog · 01-20-2010, 03:22 PM

The $5diet cokes and $10 bloody mary's should go

Atticus · 01-20-2010, 03:29 PM

I agree with Boneprone on this one. The Gold Coast blows. And since I know its coming, so does downtown. Jesus people. Why not just move it to the Motel 6 on trop. I dont care if the rooms are $29.99, have some dignity.

On that note, you mentioned not comparing the show to Summer Internext or Phoenix Forum due to the exclusive hotel. Why cant you do that in Vegas? You're not going to book the Hard Rock but plenty of Mission Palms style hotels (non gambling) in Vegas/Henderson. Then have a constant stream of shuttle buses going to the strip.

And I know you guys I are in love with having this show coincide with AEE, so then just combine it. Otherwise its just ass backwards. You have the Vegas version when its 40 degrees and the FL version when its humid as hell. Switch em and have Winter Internext in Miami, push Summer Internext to September at an exclusive hotel in Vegas. Have it over a weekend so companies could throw Football parties etc.

Speaking of parties, I know everyone likes to spout off about how they love going to these shows for business only and no need for parties/drinking, each show was more productive then the last because only the important people were there blah blah blah. BullShit!

If you want more people to come to the shows then give them a reason to. I am an affiliate. I go to the shows to meet with the people I do business with and discuss new opportunites but could I do that without a show? Sure, for the most part. But throw in some fun parties and a good atmosphere and it gives me a great excuse to take a work vacation with the wife. I know other affiliates just like this. Phoenix does it right and get's more attendees because they have a good mix of business events and a good mix of entertainment events scheduled. What was at Internext this year? A warm up party at the above mentioned shit hole and yet another Players Ball (ie: which one would you rather see; Ludacris, JayZ or Kane West? Well we cant afford any of em so we're going with another rapper that had some hits in the 80's).

So to sum up my rant...

*Move it to late Summer/early Fall and Miami to Jan.
*Move it to a non gaming hotel and book the entire thing.
*Have shuttle buses constantly going to and from locations on the strip so people could gamble if they wanted to.
*More entertainment events scheduled at night throughout the city (shuttle buses for travel) This is where most of the business gets done anyway.

In short make it an actual internet porn convention again and stop trying to water it down into an insurance convention. And for the love of god stop trying to charge the talent. That should be a no brainer but apparently it keeps needing to be said.

MichaelP · 01-20-2010, 03:55 PM

Beside the fact the floor was pretty slow, I can't say anything bad about this year's show. Since my audience is very very broad, EVERY Show/Event is good for me.

I can understand that for some who are looking for or need a more specific crowd (affiliates, programs owners, etc..) this might be different, but for me, I can do biz with almost anybody I meet at shows..

Ok a bummer. Why drinks were double the price in the Rain than at the "Circle Bar" ? No wonder nobody wanted to stay there, especially with the dark nightclub ambiance there, It is very difficult to stay in a "business mode" even if it is daytime

I think the BEST latest Internext was the one at Mandalay Bay although I hate this hotel... Still missing the Good Ol' Days at the Sands Convention Center's Hall A

That being said Internext was still VERY GOOD for me as always

Meeper · 01-20-2010, 04:15 PM

I'll start off by saying I had a very good Internext experience this year in terms of business getting done. Obviously attendance was down (as is every show), but not enough to hinder productivity at the show.

The show floor definitely needs to be re-worked. About 80% of the booths looked like billing companies, and to be honest I didn't spend more than 5 minutes there. Most of the people I know didn't even bother buying a badge because the majority of the business being done was at the circle bar.

I don't necessarily agree with moving the show to a new hotel as stated above, because I feel that moving to an even lower budget hotel would hurt attendance rather than raise it. If you look at the most successful / productive shows in our industry right now - all of them rent out the entire hotel. This really makes it easier to network and connect with other industry players, although I don't know if that's as feasible in a place like Vegas.

Speed networking is always one of the best events at ANY show. Also like already stated, I would like to see more sponsored events to really bring everyone together and allow for more networking opportunities - like MOJO Host did for their welcome event. I don't really check out many of the seminars anymore, as most of them are filled with self promoting and little to no good information (unless you're just starting in the industry).

All in all I had a good experience this year at Internext, but there's definitely room for improvement (as there is with any show). See ya next year.

calikc · 01-20-2010, 04:32 PM

I did attend the AVN show and, as a lot of us were, surprised at the turnout of fans and vendors. Although the bigger companies are as prevalent, the turnout was really good considering the state of the business right now. Friday's turnout looked more like a Saturday with the fan numbers being very good. I was told that AVN already had the dates for next years show displayed at this show. I did however hear that LA Erotica might not be a go in order to focus on the Vegas show.

DWB · 01-20-2010, 04:50 PM

I was not there this year but was at 2009. Spent most of my time at the bar or in private rooms.

A dead show floor is the same as going into a dead bar. You don't want to stay. You also don't want to stay in that bar if there are no chicks.

Bring back the chicks, keep the showroom looking alive even if that means you have to move it and shrink it and make it more of a hang out place. The last thing you want is for someone to walk into the show room, see crap, tell their friends "this sucks like I thought it would" and head to the bar or private rooms to do business. You want him to come in, see hot bitches, see something happening, get excited, and want to stay IN that area.

There is a reason the smaller gatherings do well. They are cozy and intimate. Internext is stale and cold. If you can capture that cozy vibe, you'll rock it.

When I was there in 2009 that is exactly what happened to me and everyone else I spoke to about it. As soon as you saw the floor and how dead it was, you were disappointed the same as if you just showed up to an empty bar with bad music and no eye candy.

You guys really need to rethink how you're doing this so you can keep it going. All of us are adapting right now in many ways to continue our business, AVN is not an exception to that rule.

DWB · 01-20-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil Chris

Internext is in no danger, nor is AVN.

Someone cue Bagdad Bob!

You've got a hard gig but saying shit like that doesn't add any credibility to your cause. Of course it's in danger. AVN gets thinner by the month and show turn (and sponsors) out dwindles by each show. Both are in danger.

This entire industry is somewhat in danger. Don't fool yourself. What makes the difference is how everyone chooses to deal with it. Denial will be the beginning of the end for you. Adapting and changing WITH the industry will continue your survival, which it seems AVN is not willing to do.

I'd listen to all the suggestions of the webmasters who are giving you ideas. THESE ARE YOUR PEOPLE. These are the guys who may pay for a badge next year IF you do it right. Listen to them, share that info with HNIC's at AVN, but don't come here and say nothing is in danger and blow smoke up our ass. You have a community willing to work with you and brainstorm with you. Use them! Many of them are incredibly smart guys (and girls).

boneprone · 01-20-2010, 05:17 PM

What are the chances of putting the two shows together? AEE and Internext? A seprate section for us but under the same roof.

GTS Mark · 01-20-2010, 05:29 PM

- there was very little signage if any for the registration area. (that's an easy thing to remedy for next show though)

- there was very little signage if any for the seminar area (funny a ton of people found it though, I had to ask someone to bring me up there as i was lost haha!)

- I heard the mojohost party was excellent (i missed it due to a late flight in)

- the speed networking event was full again (that is great news as it shows people are more serious about getting biz done and meeting more contacts)

- I attended 3 seminars and they were either 1/2 to 3/4 full which was very decent considering it was a very large seminar room

Overall i thought the show was great! We got a ton of deals done and are still following up on a bunch of stuff. Almost everyone i spoke to at the show really felt it was worth it and would come to the Miami show if it was as good as this one.

I think Chris is doing a great job gaining back attendees and advertisers for Internext and seems dedicated in turning this show back into the premier event of the industry. Just my

boneprone · 01-20-2010, 05:35 PM

When is the announcement going to come that Chris is really the Anal Hobbit?

RyuLion · 01-20-2010, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

I think Chris is doing a great job gaining back attendees and advertisers for Internext and seems dedicated in turning this show back into the premier event of the industry. Just my

JFK · 01-20-2010, 05:40 PM

I'd like to see the show at the Goldcoast, despite some concerns as to its quality. Why are you there, to flash or do business? We did great business this time around.

If moving the show to the Gold coast means more affordablity and more attendees Go for it! There are newbies coming into the business, with new ideas, they need to be given a chance to get up and running.

If the venue was moved still have a show floor but make it small, like the room Brad had his rocking party at. Limit the space to 1 -10x10 booth for any firm and keep it cheap, you can do deals there, just set it up with tables and chairs, for private sit downs. Have a seperate networking room, only with roundtables a cash bar and coffe etc.

WTF is up with starting the seminars at 9 am? Lets keep the hours a bit more civil, like an 11 am start.

Barefootsies · 01-20-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

What are the chances of putting the two shows together? AEE and Internext? A seprate section for us but under the same roof.

This is a great idea. I would like to see the show going a full week, with the shows merged, however unlikely, into one show and at one venue.

I would like to see the talent get in for free and wandering around in their skimpies, as well as being able to bump elbows with mainstream porn guys as well as online guys. As for the hotel, I would like to see a hotel closed out for the show and attendees like Miami show.

The porn stars, and industry vets all in one closed out location. Also, the Goldcoast should NOT be that venue. I do not care if you are a cheapskate, gambler, drinker, or not. There are other casinos, and hotels, that are more upscale and better. I do not drink, but I still enjoy a decent party to go to. However, you need to KEEP THE MUSIC VOLUME DOWN BITCH!

For many shows, the music is TOO GODDAMN LOUD. I am there to talk and do business. Not scream and holler over fucking smoke and, "Hey Mickey", motherfucker!

You can find another, cheaper, venue if you like for the conference. Find a way to work the badge price point, and hotel room to encourage more attendees. Talent should be let in free.

That said, some of these conferences need to be merged, and streamlined. There are simply too many goddamn conferences. Lastly, they need more variety in speakers and topics as I said before. Also starting that shit later. No matter if you are a non-drinker, like myself, or a hard partier.... getting up at 9 AM is going to be beyond the call of duty for most.

Robbie · 01-20-2010, 05:49 PM

FREMONT STREET!!! The Golden Nugget.

It's a very nice hotel. And it's on Fremont St! The original Vegas strip. Walk up and down the street from casino to casino if you like with your drink in your hand. Bands playing on the street.

It is so much more fun than the "new" strip and blows The Palms away for having a good time. It's not overpriced and the guys who like to gamble can do it at some of the casinos that helped start everything. I'm not a poker player, but there are a couple of the old school casinos right there on Fremont that are THE place to play poker as well.

It's time we stopped acting like tourists from Japan and started having Internext at a fun, affordable, and very cool place in Vegas. Fremont Street.

P.S. Glitter Gulch strip club is right there as well You just walk across the "street" (I say "street" because Fremont is closed to automobiles, it's a covered walkway now...very cool)

shimmy2 · 01-20-2010, 05:55 PM

I was in vegas for 2 weeks for AEE and internext. Met just about everyone I needed to meet @ the mojohost social (which totally kicked ass, thank you guys), players ball, palms buffet, and the circle bar. I bought an AEE badge but didn't get an internext badge... if it were less than $300 I would have, but I can shoot 3 scenes for that in canada ;) I was offered a $50 price break at onsite registration by showing my AEE badge, but that still didn't justify it enough for me. $150 for any show onsite is fair imho and also high enough to keep the general public at bay. I dont care what anyone says internext is (mostly) a show for computer nerds, which I proudly am. There is not enough T&A going on in the palms and even though I shoot content on a regular basis its still nice for the ambience to have some skin, crowds, music, and things happening. I will gladly pay for summer internext without question just for use of that infinity pool and the music. but wtf are you going to do in a casino hotel lobby other than wander around

JFK · 01-20-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

FREMONT STREET!!! The Golden Nugget.

It's a very nice hotel. And it's on Fremont St! The original Vegas strip. Walk up and down the street from casino to casino if you like with your drink in your hand. Bands playing on the street.

It is so much more fun than the "new" strip and blows The Palms away for having a good time. It's not overpriced and the guys who like to gamble can do it at some of the casinos that helped start everything. I'm not a poker player, but there are a couple of the old school casinos right there on Fremont that are THE place to play poker as well.

It's time we stopped acting like tourists from Japan and started having Internext at a fun, affordable, and very cool place in Vegas. Fremont Street.

P.S. Glitter Gulch strip club is right there as well You just walk across the "street" (I say "street" because Fremont is closed to automobiles, it's a covered walkway now...very cool)

went to check it out a couple of yrs ago, neat place

Honez · 01-20-2010, 06:04 PM

Chris, thanks for asking for feedback. I think you did a great job.

That being said some of the things I noticed where that the drinks in Rain were double what they were at the round bar. If you are going to keep the show floor there, how about making the drinks cheaper at Rain than the other bars? Might make it a little more appealing.

What would the possibility be to buy out the round bar every day during set times for networking happy hours? Most of us did our business there anyway and this way people would need badges to get in.

Lower the price of badges.

Although I did manage to make it to the 9am Speed Networking with no hangover, I do agree that starting things a bit later would make for a better crowd.

JFK · 01-20-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Honez

Chris, thanks for asking for feedback. I think you did a great job.

That being said some of the things I noticed where that the drinks in Rain were double what they were at the round bar. If you are going to keep the show floor there, how about making the drinks cheaper at Rain than the other bars? Might make it a little more appealing.

What would the possibility be to buy out the round bar every day during set times for networking happy hours? Most of us did our business there anyway and this way people would need badges to get in.

Lower the price of badges.

Although I did manage to make it to the 9am Speed Networking with no hangover, I do agree that starting things a bit later would make for a better crowd.

Thanks for mentioning the bar prices, we bought 3 drinks at lunch and there went our entire show budget

Robbie · 01-20-2010, 06:39 PM

Yep, I ate the sponsored lunch on the second day. Walked over to the bar with Claudia-Marie and asked for 2 cokes. We got two tiny plastic cups of soda (about one swig each) and paid TEN DOLLARS for it.

That's what I'm saying about us being played at shows. It's bullshit, and we should stop acting like dumb tourists. The show has been going on in Vegas for well over a decade. There simply isn't any excuse why it isn't held at a venue that appreciates having us there and LOWERS prices in order to get the show.

Evil Chris · 01-20-2010, 09:23 PM

I thank everyone for their continuing feedback on Internext.

If you prefer to provide me your thoughts non-publicly, please feel free by emailing me or sending me an ICQ.

Atticus · 01-20-2010, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

FREMONT STREET!!! The Golden Nugget.

It's a very nice hotel. And it's on Fremont St! The original Vegas strip. Walk up and down the street from casino to casino if you like with your drink in your hand. Bands playing on the street.

It is so much more fun than the "new" strip and blows The Palms away for having a good time. It's not overpriced and the guys who like to gamble can do it at some of the casinos that helped start everything. I'm not a poker player, but there are a couple of the old school casinos right there on Fremont that are THE place to play poker as well.

It's time we stopped acting like tourists from Japan and started having Internext at a fun, affordable, and very cool place in Vegas. Fremont Street.

P.S. Glitter Gulch strip club is right there as well You just walk across the "street" (I say "street" because Fremont is closed to automobiles, it's a covered walkway now...very cool)

Fremont has been a covered walkway for years and it still sucks. Filled with cheap older losers walking around with football shaped margaritas/beers. There is a reason why all the money is being put on the strip, because downtown is ass. And Glitter Gulch sucks. It sucked a decade ago and it sucks now. The whole scene is renoesque....and thats not a good thing.

NETbilling · 01-20-2010, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

Limit the # of billing companies.

or at the least limit them in the speed networking and seminars.

I know it's wishfull thinking.

I agree. Only one really should be there....

Robbie · 01-20-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

Fremont has been a covered walkway for years and it still sucks. Filled with cheap older losers walking around with football shaped margaritas/beers. There is a reason why all the money is being put on the strip, because downtown is ass. And Glitter Gulch sucks. It sucked a decade ago and it sucks now. The whole scene is renoesque....and thats not a good thing.

To each his own I suppose.
I love partying there. And I didn't see many of the cheap older losers you're talking about either. And isn't the reason the "money is being put on the strip" pretty much because the strip is nothing but corporate?

I like the old school feel of Fremont much better than the plastic, cold feel of the "new" strip. Had a super nice suite at the Golden Nugget for a couple of hundred bucks. The Grotto there is an excellent Italian restraunt, and their swimming pool with the shark tank is pretty cool too. No need to take a cab that will ass rape you because all the casinos AND Glitter Gulch and several bars are all right there to walk around from place to place.

Everybody has different tastes though.

I like to get a tower suite overlooking the fountains at The Bellagio when I'm in the mood for decadence.

But for Internext? Fremont would be the place. Cheaper, funner, and a lot more things to do.

Tasty1 · 01-20-2010, 10:42 PM

This year i bought the tickets for 150 dollar as early bird. I won't pay 300 dollars for a showfloor where i will look 30 minutes, and seminars i always miss cause they are to early. Also there were less floor parties, or you needed an invatation. And the best party from mojohost was even in the Goldcoast.

But the business was good and i met a lot of interesting people with good ideas. Overall, the AVN and Internext were worth the money.

- A domain auction was also fun last year.
- cheaper hotel is ok if more people show up
- go more to the strip, then everyone can select easy from different hotels on walking distance
- set up a AVN 24 hour pokerroom with free drinks as alternative and meeting point. free beer and soda
- I stayed in in the Golden Nugget last days, it might be cheaper downtown, it also has less bling bling
- in amsterdam it seemed like there was a open bar all the time (till people started ordering Champagne and the max was reached)

Atticus · 01-20-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

To each his own I suppose.
I love partying there. And I didn't see many of the cheap older losers you're talking about either. And isn't the reason the "money is being put on the strip" pretty much because the strip is nothing but corporate?

I like the old school feel of Fremont much better than the plastic, cold feel of the "new" strip. Had a super nice suite at the Golden Nugget for a couple of hundred bucks. The Grotto there is an excellent Italian restraunt, and their swimming pool with the shark tank is pretty cool too. No need to take a cab that will ass rape you because all the casinos AND Glitter Gulch and several bars are all right there to walk around from place to place.

Everybody has different tastes though.

I like to get a tower suite overlooking the fountains at The Bellagio when I'm in the mood for decadence.

But for Internext? Fremont would be the place. Cheaper, funner, and a lot more things to do.

Yeah, to each their own.

I've hung out on Fremont a few times and it's always been the same. Drunk, midwest/biker couples to cheap to spring for a room on the strip. Couple that with the carni kiosks selling cheesy "I was a JackOff in Vegas" T-shirts and you've lost me.

And I much prefer the plastic Rhino over the way to real Glitter Gulch anyday.

But I agree that having Internext on the Strip itsnt necessary, but neither is slumming it downtown. Tons of smaller Mission Palms style hotels on the outskirts/Summerlin/Green Valley that would work and be exclusive to the convention. Then just have shuttles running all day to the strip/clubs/downtown and everybody is happy.

And then instead of the $5 cokes you get the free snack shacks

Robbie · 01-20-2010, 10:55 PM

Just out of curiousity...why do you like the Rhino over Glitter Gulch? Remember a couple of years ago when one of the sponsors had a "party" at the Rhino? It was supposed to be all set up for us with drinks and everything. When we all got there, it was a tiny roped off section and of course we paid the insane drink prices. lol It was no fun at all. I've had some decent times there as a customer...but for having an industry event? Wouldn't a place like Glitter Gulch be much better? Especially if all we had to do was walk across the covered walkway. The manager Tom there is very cool and would welcome us with open arms and hospitality instead of just trying to gouge us for money like the Rhino did.

And hell, if we want to get off the old and new strip, then might as well do it at a Station Casino.

They had the Big Boob Pornstar convention at The Texas Station. It's only 15 minutes from my house, but I got a room there anyway. Room sucked. But it was only $40 a night and we partied our ass off. But it would definitely be "slumming" it. Especially compared to The Golden Nugget.

I don't know...I've been to the shows since 1998 and I just can't fathom why it isn't set up to make things better and less expensive. Instead it seems to me that it's all set up to charge us more than the usual over-inflated prices. We get treated like a bunch of marks.

I would just like to see it somewhere where everyone could have fun, be together, get business done, and go home without spending 10 grand.

tony286 · 01-20-2010, 11:01 PM

Is there a reason to have it during CES? If it wasnt during CES the prices would drop like a rock for all hotels. Also why do people need fancy when most work at home in their drawers? I could never understand that.

Atticus · 01-20-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Just out of curiousity...why do you like the Rhino over Glitter Gulch? Remember a couple of years ago when one of the sponsors had a "party" at the Rhino? It was supposed to be all set up for us with drinks and everything. When we all got there, it was a tiny roped off section and of course we paid the insane drink prices. lol It was no fun at all. I've had some decent times there as a customer...but for having an industry event? Wouldn't a place like Glitter Gulch be much better? Especially if all we had to do was walk across the covered walkway. The manager Tom there is very cool and would welcome us with open arms and hospitality instead of just trying to gouge us for money like the Rhino did.

And hell, if we want to get off the old and new strip, then might as well do it at a Station Casino.

They had the Big Boob Pornstar convention at The Texas Station. It's only 15 minutes from my house, but I got a room there anyway. Room sucked. But it was only $40 a night and we partied our ass off. But it would definitely be "slumming" it. Especially compared to The Golden Nugget.

I don't know...I've been to the shows since 1998 and I just can't fathom why it isn't set up to make things better and less expensive. Instead it seems to me that it's all set up to charge us more than the usual over-inflated prices. We get treated like a bunch of marks.

I would just like to see it somewhere where everyone could have fun, be together, get business done, and go home without spending 10 grand.

I personally prefer the Rhino over Glitter Gulch because of the quality of girls and the atmosphere. Some of the hottest girls from all over the worls fly into the Rhino to dance and GG gets the downtown retreads. It's really no comparison. There is a reason why Rhino is packed every night until 5am while othet clubs in town are dead and its not due to the location. Yeah the drinks are expensive but its a strip club. Girls are hot, they're cool and for the most part dont hustle and I've never had a bad time. Cant say the same for the few times i've found myself at Glitter Gulch. On a side note I go with my wife and the girls at the Rhino seem to like couples so it helps the overall experience.

That being said I definitely wouldnt recommend an industry event at the Rhino, or really any strip club for that matter, unless you could rent the whole place for the show. But why would you in the first place, not exactly good for a business getting deals done atmosphere?

01-20-2010, 01:13 PM	#1
Evil Chris OG Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 3rd from the Sun Posts: 13,207	Internext at the Palms 2010 By most accounts, I have heard that business was good at Internext last week, which is welcome news. I did get a lot of questions like "Will Internext still be around next year?" and also "Is the summer show still taking place?". The answers are yes, and yes. Internext is in no danger, nor is AVN. Take whatever you have heard with a grain of salt. There have been rumors without any substance going around. AVN and Internext are alive and well, and in the same period of change that all of us in the business are in. FEEDBACK If you were at Internext (or not, but especially if you were) last week, I'd love to hear your feedback on how to improve the convention. Constructive criticism please. My intention is to help Internext evolve into a convention that is up-to-date with the times. Keep in mind that the January Internext cannot be easily compared to its summer counterpart or (for example) the Phoenix Forum. These two shows are very much self-contained in their respective locations. Las Vegas, as we all know, is a very unique location which presents challenges on several levels. Nonetheless, Las Vegas is a very popular spot for Internext. I look forward to compiling your feedback. __________________ It PAYZE to post on GFY chris at payze.com \| Skype chriswrp Last edited by Evil Chris; 01-20-2010 at 01:14 PM..

01-20-2010, 01:20 PM	#2
RyuLion ClubDomCash.com Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 32,054	It was overall good. No Networking parties sponsored by you guys this year but I understand you guys have to make money. Even I had meetings at the circle bar, I think its more of a tradition now. I think If the price of the badge would be lower then you would get more registrations.. I never made it to the seminars. __________________ Promote Clubdom.com (since 1997) - Adult Biz Consultant Last edited by RyuLion; 01-20-2010 at 01:25 PM..

01-20-2010, 01:28 PM	#3
alexchechs Confirmed User Join Date: May 2008 Location: BROOKLYN!!! Posts: 3,474	I think the seminars could have been about more interesting subjects (ex. how to use social media tools in mainstream to generate revenue). The speed networking was great. But as you said it was Vegas so alot of people went off and did their own thing. But still a great show. Made alot fo contacts so I am happy __________________ Alex Chechs http://thefawnconspiracy.com

01-20-2010, 02:03 PM	#4
Just Mike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a land FAR FAR away Posts: 3,726	Chris, I know this is a tough gig...and I think everyone appreciated your hard work. Hope these ideas will be helpful. I heard a really cool idea from one webmaster (Can't remmebr who told me) and when I mentioned it to a few other webmasters they loved it as well. 1) why not scrape the traditional show floor venue and opt for a complete turn around on the show idea. 2) Move the venue to a cheap hotel like the Gold Coast (Across the street) where the room rates were $25 a night and drinks were $1. 3) Get only a few larger sponsors to cover the rooms (Buy out the entire hotel if possible at $25 per night or less) so that every attendee now gets a free room and the sponsor can brand the hell out of the room, flyers, TV, inserts, etc in each room 4) get a large sponsor or two for the main floor bar (A la Circle bar) and have them issue free drinks to all attendees with the correct wrist band. Sponsors would get banners and promotions there as well. 5) Scrape the Seminars all together...opt for a web version instead 6) AVN would still charge the standard $299 for a pass but now the webmaster gets a free room and drinks included. 7) since much of the business is done outside the show floor and in the bar areas it would such a great way to maximize your event and on top of that create the "cool factor" for a show platform that desperately needs a change. 8) if you use these ideas pay me handsomely for my 2 cents. __________________ EMAIL: [email protected] / ICQ: 56205262 AWEMPIRE

01-20-2010, 02:05 PM	#5
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	the only thing I found a little lacking which might cause judgment from someone newer to the industry or someone who saw a show floor pre 2004 is a lack of booths on the show floor...i only saw about 20 yet major companies threw amazing open and private events without a booth... i did amazing business and found a large percentage of the major players in the game were there. overall I had a great show and i want to thank AVN for putting it on. I liked it. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

01-20-2010, 02:12 PM	#6
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,090	Your site could list time, date and subject matter of the seminars so one might decide if they should get up in time for them.

01-20-2010, 02:20 PM	#9
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	1. Seminars start at noon. 2. More 'teaching' and 'coaching' types of classes on new things in the industry. Ya know, hands on things that many would like to learn about, and invest in. Not the same ole seminars by the same ole people, talking the same ole bullshit we heard last show. 3. Better venue. Vegas is spread out, yes. But the way things are now, simply people spread all over the place and really no coherence. Circle bar requires an oxygen mask. 4. More parties, or actual get together's each night like MOJO's party. You got to see who all was at the show, and actually talk to them without screaming over loud ass music and smoke. Those are just a few off the top of my head. Good additional ideas above. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

01-20-2010, 02:27 PM	#11
96ukssob So Fucking Banananananas Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: If I was in your ass you'd know it Posts: 12,991	honestly, i didnt bother going to the show this year, wasnt worth the $250/$300 price tag. Rather, i connected with people and met up with them and spent the money on booze for our suite. IMO, i see there is less and less "webmaster" events at these shows. when i first started going in 2004 there was a lot to do if you are a webmaster, now it is rare to run across someone unless they are a huge player in the industry. what i think woudl be cool (and some others ive talked to agreed) would be for some of these webmaster programs to have some show time to show off their tools and software. I can see all the demos I want online, but i bet they could book a room to show off some new tube script and take customer work orders there on the spot. most software I have purchased I have had to have custom work done to meet my needs finally, i think having it at the palms blows. the past two years ive stayed at the gold coast for $35/night instead of $200+ for the same type of room and this year i stayed at Harrahs (can't beat a free pimp suite). my vote is to bring it back to the strip so there is more to do and more options besides a single suite party at the palms. just my __________________ Email: Clicky on Me

01-20-2010, 02:30 PM	#12
LeRoy Porn Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: It's a dry heat Posts: 13,213	Limit the # of billing companies. or at the least limit them in the speed networking and seminars. I know it's wishfull thinking. __________________ JAPANESE CAMS AND CONTENT SITES Skype - leroy.rowland2

01-20-2010, 02:38 PM	#15
djroof JuicyDevils.gr Owner Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 25,297	we need pics!

01-20-2010, 02:40 PM	#16
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,407	The decline at internext over the year is part the fault of internext itself. But the major fact of the matter is a lot of the industry is washing out. You can fine tune and optimize things to ride this out but dont lose your culture.. Dont change your image... With that said it will be intresting to see if the Phoenix show puts up numbers like last year. I dont think it does. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

01-20-2010, 02:43 PM	#17
Due Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Murrieta, CA Posts: 3,621	I decided to skip Internext this year for the following reasons: 1: Last year it was too spread out, people in all corners 2: There where more non industry related people than industry related people, as it took place in a casino 3: The show floor was pretty abandon, my thoughts was last year that people only stayed in their booth to avoid paying for an empty booth. 4: Most (new) business took place around the circle bar, which is cool but think about people paying for a booth. Try and combine it somehow, moving the circle bar to the show floor or the show floor to the circle bar. If gambling is a must, then get a dedicated area of the casino for the people attending the show, at least it will be easier to find new business at the table __________________ I buy plugs Skype: Due_Global /Due

01-20-2010, 02:44 PM	#18
kristin GOO! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Back Home : ) Posts: 9,768	I NEVER go to the show floor or pick up my badge. It's a lot of processors and such that I make my meetings beforehand and stick to that. I haven't paid for a badge in several years. The only reason I get it for summer Internext is because it's required to get in to the hotel, which sometimes I even work around. I would put more of an emphasis around Speed Networking and finding ways to make sure the "group" is always together. I know it's harder in Vegas, but one reason people love the Phx Forum so much is that all of us are trapped in a hotel together forced to do biz with no outsiders and minimal interruptions. This is just my two cents, I posted about the show and its success for me and I was really happy with Internext this year. __________________ Vacares rules. "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

01-20-2010, 02:49 PM	#19
BAKO Etology.com Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hollywood CA Posts: 18,359	Lot's of biz went down at the show, I love all the internext shows __________________ DatingNetwork.com Skype: Bako2323 New Product Launch date 2/20/2024 Sexbelt.com Hit me up if you want to start promoting our one of a kind product! Review sites welcome Sexbelt.com COMING SOON! SIGN UP HERE TO PROMOTE Sexbelt.com

01-20-2010, 03:02 PM	#20
Atominder Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SOUL REBEL IN DA HOUSE! Posts: 113	Hello guys and gals. We truly appreciate your feedback. Yesterday we had the 1st after-show meeting. I'm brining your comments and suggestions for the 2nd one. Thanks __________________ www.internext-expo.com In charge of www.avn.com, www.avnawards.com and all upcoming AVN digital ventures. / [email protected]

01-20-2010, 03:15 PM	#21
ShellyCrash Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,708	I bought passes this year, but to be honest I didn't really need to. I enjoyed the speed networking, but the show floor was pretty dead and it seemed that everyone who wanted to get together and talk shop wanted to meet up somewhere else. What everyone was saying before the show is true, for Vegas Internext you really can get good value out of the show w/o buying a badge. What I would suggest would be either lowering the badge prices or finding ways to add value to the badge itself. My first suggestion would be to team up with some of the events, maybe toss a few bones D Money's way and hook up with the Player's Ball so the show badge becomes the barrier to entry. Another way to add value to the badge would be to go with a cheaper venue and partner up so attendees actually save money vs getting gouged like we have been. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Nugget is really alot nicer than you'd think. We took a cab to old town one night and had a fucking blast for a fraction of the price. We could seriously wreak havok on Freemont!! Also the branding for show sponsors didn't seem as prominent. I don't know if it happened to anyone else but I know we got Palms room keys and I barely noticed the gigantic Pussy Cash banner in registration, it wasn't really in my line of sight. Just my 2 cents. I've always liked the Internext shows and want to see you guys succeed, but I do feel something needs to be changed for the show to grow. __________________ Start making money with the hottest hookup site! up to $55 PPS or up to 75% Revshare ICQ 196766477

01-20-2010, 03:20 PM	#22
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,363	You need to re-introduce different pricing. I will not pay $300 for a badge for access to the show floor and seminars. Sorry, but the ROI from the badge has nearly 0 value to me. I can understand for newbies looking to get into this business, but for established webmasters who don't attend seminars/show floors, it doesn't. I'd like to also suggest a change of venue, nothing wrong with Palms, I've just had enough and would like to see something new. Maybe something smaller but try to keep it upscale. I realize you guys probably negotiate AVN/AEE/Internext all at the same hotel for collective bargaining reasons but it would be nice to get an upscale and smaller venue. WG __________________ I play with Google.

01-20-2010, 03:22 PM	#23
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,090	The $5diet cokes and $10 bloody mary's should go

01-20-2010, 03:29 PM	#24
Atticus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,051	I agree with Boneprone on this one. The Gold Coast blows. And since I know its coming, so does downtown. Jesus people. Why not just move it to the Motel 6 on trop. I dont care if the rooms are $29.99, have some dignity. On that note, you mentioned not comparing the show to Summer Internext or Phoenix Forum due to the exclusive hotel. Why cant you do that in Vegas? You're not going to book the Hard Rock but plenty of Mission Palms style hotels (non gambling) in Vegas/Henderson. Then have a constant stream of shuttle buses going to the strip. And I know you guys I are in love with having this show coincide with AEE, so then just combine it. Otherwise its just ass backwards. You have the Vegas version when its 40 degrees and the FL version when its humid as hell. Switch em and have Winter Internext in Miami, push Summer Internext to September at an exclusive hotel in Vegas. Have it over a weekend so companies could throw Football parties etc. Speaking of parties, I know everyone likes to spout off about how they love going to these shows for business only and no need for parties/drinking, each show was more productive then the last because only the important people were there blah blah blah. BullShit! If you want more people to come to the shows then give them a reason to. I am an affiliate. I go to the shows to meet with the people I do business with and discuss new opportunites but could I do that without a show? Sure, for the most part. But throw in some fun parties and a good atmosphere and it gives me a great excuse to take a work vacation with the wife. I know other affiliates just like this. Phoenix does it right and get's more attendees because they have a good mix of business events and a good mix of entertainment events scheduled. What was at Internext this year? A warm up party at the above mentioned shit hole and yet another Players Ball (ie: which one would you rather see; Ludacris, JayZ or Kane West? Well we cant afford any of em so we're going with another rapper that had some hits in the 80's). So to sum up my rant... Move it to late Summer/early Fall and Miami to Jan. Move it to a non gaming hotel and book the entire thing. Have shuttle buses constantly going to and from locations on the strip so people could gamble if they wanted to. More entertainment events scheduled at night throughout the city (shuttle buses for travel) This is where most of the business gets done anyway. In short make it an actual internet porn convention again and stop trying to water it down into an insurance convention. And for the love of god stop trying to charge the talent. That should be a no brainer but apparently it keeps needing to be said.

01-20-2010, 03:55 PM	#25
MichaelP Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: QWEBEC Corporate Office Posts: 7,121	Beside the fact the floor was pretty slow, I can't say anything bad about this year's show. Since my audience is very very broad, EVERY Show/Event is good for me. I can understand that for some who are looking for or need a more specific crowd (affiliates, programs owners, etc..) this might be different, but for me, I can do biz with almost anybody I meet at shows.. Ok a bummer. Why drinks were double the price in the Rain than at the "Circle Bar" ? No wonder nobody wanted to stay there, especially with the dark nightclub ambiance there, It is very difficult to stay in a "business mode" even if it is daytime I think the BEST latest Internext was the one at Mandalay Bay although I hate this hotel... Still missing the Good Ol' Days at the Sands Convention Center's Hall A That being said Internext was still VERY GOOD for me as always __________________ Micheal P. Master Janitor at QWEBEC Expo - Montreal. Canada -AUGUST 1-4 2023

01-20-2010, 04:15 PM	#26
Meeper Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Beverly Hills, CA Posts: 2,642	I'll start off by saying I had a very good Internext experience this year in terms of business getting done. Obviously attendance was down (as is every show), but not enough to hinder productivity at the show. The show floor definitely needs to be re-worked. About 80% of the booths looked like billing companies, and to be honest I didn't spend more than 5 minutes there. Most of the people I know didn't even bother buying a badge because the majority of the business being done was at the circle bar. I don't necessarily agree with moving the show to a new hotel as stated above, because I feel that moving to an even lower budget hotel would hurt attendance rather than raise it. If you look at the most successful / productive shows in our industry right now - all of them rent out the entire hotel. This really makes it easier to network and connect with other industry players, although I don't know if that's as feasible in a place like Vegas. Speed networking is always one of the best events at ANY show. Also like already stated, I would like to see more sponsored events to really bring everyone together and allow for more networking opportunities - like MOJO Host did for their welcome event. I don't really check out many of the seminars anymore, as most of them are filled with self promoting and little to no good information (unless you're just starting in the industry). All in all I had a good experience this year at Internext, but there's definitely room for improvement (as there is with any show). See ya next year. __________________ *Nick "Meeper"* Amoroso [SIZE="1"] Hustler.com / BarelyLegal.com / HustlersReviews.com / HustlerTube.com / HustlerShare.com**

01-20-2010, 04:32 PM	#27
calikc Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21	I did attend the AVN show and, as a lot of us were, surprised at the turnout of fans and vendors. Although the bigger companies are as prevalent, the turnout was really good considering the state of the business right now. Friday's turnout looked more like a Saturday with the fan numbers being very good. I was told that AVN already had the dates for next years show displayed at this show. I did however hear that LA Erotica might not be a go in order to focus on the Vegas show.

01-20-2010, 04:50 PM	#28
DWB Giggity Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: S.E. Asia Posts: 31,779	I was not there this year but was at 2009. Spent most of my time at the bar or in private rooms. A dead show floor is the same as going into a dead bar. You don't want to stay. You also don't want to stay in that bar if there are no chicks. Bring back the chicks, keep the showroom looking alive even if that means you have to move it and shrink it and make it more of a hang out place. The last thing you want is for someone to walk into the show room, see crap, tell their friends "this sucks like I thought it would" and head to the bar or private rooms to do business. You want him to come in, see hot bitches, see something happening, get excited, and want to stay IN that area. There is a reason the smaller gatherings do well. They are cozy and intimate. Internext is stale and cold. If you can capture that cozy vibe, you'll rock it. When I was there in 2009 that is exactly what happened to me and everyone else I spoke to about it. As soon as you saw the floor and how dead it was, you were disappointed the same as if you just showed up to an empty bar with bad music and no eye candy. You guys really need to rethink how you're doing this so you can keep it going. All of us are adapting right now in many ways to continue our business, AVN is not an exception to that rule.

01-20-2010, 05:17 PM	#30
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,407	What are the chances of putting the two shows together? AEE and Internext? A seprate section for us but under the same roof. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

01-20-2010, 05:29 PM	#31
GTS Mark Formerly known as DH! :) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,911	- there was very little signage if any for the registration area. (that's an easy thing to remedy for next show though) - there was very little signage if any for the seminar area (funny a ton of people found it though, I had to ask someone to bring me up there as i was lost haha!) - I heard the mojohost party was excellent (i missed it due to a late flight in) - the speed networking event was full again (that is great news as it shows people are more serious about getting biz done and meeting more contacts) - I attended 3 seminars and they were either 1/2 to 3/4 full which was very decent considering it was a very large seminar room Overall i thought the show was great! We got a ton of deals done and are still following up on a bunch of stuff. Almost everyone i spoke to at the show really felt it was worth it and would come to the Miami show if it was as good as this one. I think Chris is doing a great job gaining back attendees and advertisers for Internext and seems dedicated in turning this show back into the premier event of the industry. Just my __________________ Looking For Gay, Dating, Mobile, Banner, Hardlinks, IM Ads Or Popunder Traffic? ICQ 5191566 / E-mail: [email protected] Follow Us On Twitter. Also Sign Up For Our Newsletter For Updated Weekly Traffic Inventory

01-20-2010, 05:35 PM	#32
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,407	When is the announcement going to come that Chris is really the Anal Hobbit? __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

01-20-2010, 05:40 PM	#34
JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,381	I'd like to see the show at the Goldcoast, despite some concerns as to its quality. Why are you there, to flash or do business? We did great business this time around. If moving the show to the Gold coast means more affordablity and more attendees Go for it! There are newbies coming into the business, with new ideas, they need to be given a chance to get up and running. If the venue was moved still have a show floor but make it small, like the room Brad had his rocking party at. Limit the space to 1 -10x10 booth for any firm and keep it cheap, you can do deals there, just set it up with tables and chairs, for private sit downs. Have a seperate networking room, only with roundtables a cash bar and coffe etc. WTF is up with starting the seminars at 9 am? Lets keep the hours a bit more civil, like an 11 am start. __________________ Sig Spot Available –contact JFK @ FUBARWebmasters.com FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

01-20-2010, 05:49 PM	#36
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,841	FREMONT STREET!!! The Golden Nugget. It's a very nice hotel. And it's on Fremont St! The original Vegas strip. Walk up and down the street from casino to casino if you like with your drink in your hand. Bands playing on the street. It is so much more fun than the "new" strip and blows The Palms away for having a good time. It's not overpriced and the guys who like to gamble can do it at some of the casinos that helped start everything. I'm not a poker player, but there are a couple of the old school casinos right there on Fremont that are THE place to play poker as well. It's time we stopped acting like tourists from Japan and started having Internext at a fun, affordable, and very cool place in Vegas. Fremont Street. P.S. Glitter Gulch strip club is right there as well You just walk across the "street" (I say "street" because Fremont is closed to automobiles, it's a covered walkway now...very cool) __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

01-20-2010, 05:55 PM	#37
shimmy2 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dominican Republic Posts: 3,186	I was in vegas for 2 weeks for AEE and internext. Met just about everyone I needed to meet @ the mojohost social (which totally kicked ass, thank you guys), players ball, palms buffet, and the circle bar. I bought an AEE badge but didn't get an internext badge... if it were less than $300 I would have, but I can shoot 3 scenes for that in canada ;) I was offered a $50 price break at onsite registration by showing my AEE badge, but that still didn't justify it enough for me. $150 for any show onsite is fair imho and also high enough to keep the general public at bay. I dont care what anyone says internext is (mostly) a show for computer nerds, which I proudly am. There is not enough T&A going on in the palms and even though I shoot content on a regular basis its still nice for the ambience to have some skin, crowds, music, and things happening. I will gladly pay for summer internext without question just for use of that infinity pool and the music. but wtf are you going to do in a casino hotel lobby other than wander around __________________ Make $$$$$$ with WhiteGirlCops.com! (interracial, blonde, femdom) Make $$$$$$ with Toticos.com! (dominican, puerto rican, filipina, arab, thai) Make $$$$$$ with NDNgirls.com! (rare native american indian girls) ICQ: 23777418 \| Email: 1bluemiata@gmail \| Youtube: ShimmyCash \| Twitter: shimmyxxx

01-20-2010, 06:04 PM	#39
Honez Confirmed Brat Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 6,636	Chris, thanks for asking for feedback. I think you did a great job. That being said some of the things I noticed where that the drinks in Rain were double what they were at the round bar. If you are going to keep the show floor there, how about making the drinks cheaper at Rain than the other bars? Might make it a little more appealing. What would the possibility be to buy out the round bar every day during set times for networking happy hours? Most of us did our business there anyway and this way people would need badges to get in. Lower the price of badges. Although I did manage to make it to the 9am Speed Networking with no hangover, I do agree that starting things a bit later would make for a better crowd. __________________ Your Paysite Partner Hone at YourPaysitePartner dot Com Skype - Stressmonkey

01-20-2010, 06:39 PM	#41
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,841	Yep, I ate the sponsored lunch on the second day. Walked over to the bar with Claudia-Marie and asked for 2 cokes. We got two tiny plastic cups of soda (about one swig each) and paid TEN DOLLARS for it. That's what I'm saying about us being played at shows. It's bullshit, and we should stop acting like dumb tourists. The show has been going on in Vegas for well over a decade. There simply isn't any excuse why it isn't held at a venue that appreciates having us there and LOWERS prices in order to get the show. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

01-20-2010, 09:23 PM	#42
Evil Chris OG Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 3rd from the Sun Posts: 13,207	I thank everyone for their continuing feedback on Internext. If you prefer to provide me your thoughts non-publicly, please feel free by emailing me or sending me an ICQ. __________________ It PAYZE to post on GFY chris at payze.com \| Skype chriswrp

01-20-2010, 10:42 PM	#46
Tasty1 Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South-America Posts: 8,585	This year i bought the tickets for 150 dollar as early bird. I won't pay 300 dollars for a showfloor where i will look 30 minutes, and seminars i always miss cause they are to early. Also there were less floor parties, or you needed an invatation. And the best party from mojohost was even in the Goldcoast. But the business was good and i met a lot of interesting people with good ideas. Overall, the AVN and Internext were worth the money. - A domain auction was also fun last year. - cheaper hotel is ok if more people show up - go more to the strip, then everyone can select easy from different hotels on walking distance - set up a AVN 24 hour pokerroom with free drinks as alternative and meeting point. free beer and soda - I stayed in in the Golden Nugget last days, it might be cheaper downtown, it also has less bling bling - in amsterdam it seemed like there was a open bar all the time (till people started ordering Champagne and the max was reached)

01-20-2010, 10:55 PM	#48
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,841	Just out of curiousity...why do you like the Rhino over Glitter Gulch? Remember a couple of years ago when one of the sponsors had a "party" at the Rhino? It was supposed to be all set up for us with drinks and everything. When we all got there, it was a tiny roped off section and of course we paid the insane drink prices. lol It was no fun at all. I've had some decent times there as a customer...but for having an industry event? Wouldn't a place like Glitter Gulch be much better? Especially if all we had to do was walk across the covered walkway. The manager Tom there is very cool and would welcome us with open arms and hospitality instead of just trying to gouge us for money like the Rhino did. And hell, if we want to get off the old and new strip, then might as well do it at a Station Casino. They had the Big Boob Pornstar convention at The Texas Station. It's only 15 minutes from my house, but I got a room there anyway. Room sucked. But it was only $40 a night and we partied our ass off. But it would definitely be "slumming" it. Especially compared to The Golden Nugget. I don't know...I've been to the shows since 1998 and I just can't fathom why it isn't set up to make things better and less expensive. Instead it seems to me that it's all set up to charge us more than the usual over-inflated prices. We get treated like a bunch of marks. I would just like to see it somewhere where everyone could have fun, be together, get business done, and go home without spending 10 grand. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

01-20-2010, 11:01 PM	#49
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Is there a reason to have it during CES? If it wasnt during CES the prices would drop like a rock for all hotels. Also why do people need fancy when most work at home in their drawers? I could never understand that.