Videosecrets.com is the shit :)

[rml1608]

Wow ... Got in touch with video secrets and remember I did business with them in the past. They pulled up one of my two accounts and reset the information. I took a look at my past stats, I remember they were a drop in the bucket to me back then but some pretty good numbers.

2006 109.96
2002 300.88
2001 3,891.31
2000 4,914.04
1999 18,214.92
1998 11,924.64
Total Commissions $39,370.73

and they are still running strong. Companies like this that have been around forever and continue to produce are the type of companies you should be using. They understand the business, have adapated, and continue to do so. If you aren't using them you should give them a shot (no ref link posted) just go to videosecrets.com

[fatfoo]

Very good numbers. Well done.

[fris]

talk about a sudden drop in sales ;)

[rml1608]

What's sad is that *was* 1% of my income at best .. and now I make $70,000 a year or so lol ... Time to get back to making some bank !

[rml1608]

LOL - Ya think Fris ? I was 19 years old, immature - and threw away a multi million dollar business cause ALL I wanted to do was party ahaha

Now that is out of my system ...

[TheSenator]

Those look like my Click Cash numbers in 1999.... Making over 20gs in a month and spending it like a drunken sailor.

[thehand]

Thanks man, I added your new sites & I'm working on the design now. They should be done before the super bowl :-)

BTW- Here's your ref code: https://secure.videosecrets.com/sign..._referrer=7582

[MPGdevil]

I see you weren't around when there was a drama about them trying to rob a guy for his earned cash.
Lots of webmasters dropped their program (or at least said they did).
Thread got deleted though like other times scumbags and thiefs are saved by the board owner's mercy or greed.

A lame excuse was posted by VS and tons of weak pussy webmasters here jumped back on their cock, expressing how top notch guys these guys suddenly were. Even the guy who had lost his money hadn't it been for all the support he got in the first place, started to suddenly praise their program. Blackmail or pure weakness?

Fuck him, fuck VS and fuck the webmasters who crawled back to support them.

MONEY FOR NOTHING!

[rml1608]

Originally Posted by TheSenator

Those look like my Click Cash numbers in 1999.... Making over 20gs in a month and spending it like a drunken sailor.

Those were the days, huh ?

As far as the problem with VS Media ... Sounds like they were fixed, that's all that matters right. Who knows what the whole story was really ? Could of been any number of things the general public wasn't privy too ...

Programs like this and maxcash.com are just a couple that have weathered the problems of this industry. I don't think even Cybererotica has made it ?

[MPGdevil]

A funny repost from the past VS drama:

[Bossman]

Yes, have recently heard good things about VS - including from models who are probably some of the best to tell at what level a program is operating on

Cam traffic is still golden (actual probably more than ever compared to the rest of the industry)

[bobby666]

nice ratios of the good old days

[PGR]

Do they have video embeds?

[MPGdevil]

Originally Posted by rml1608

As far as the problem with VS Media ... Sounds like they were fixed, that's all that matters right. Who knows what the whole story was really ? Could of been any number of things the general public wasn't privy too ...

Programs like this and maxcash.com are just a couple that have weathered the problems of this industry. I don't think even Cybererotica has made it ?

Yes the guy got his money in the end. Thanks to over 20 pages of posts with upset webmasters and people pulling their links.
But you are right.. money talks and bullshit walks. Let some time pass and everything is back to normal. This is why this industry is so rotten. Too many weak links to stand united against the bad guys for more than a few days.

It's sad that it's so cheap to be a scumbag these days. A lame excuse and some time, and you can go on like nothing happened.

[Juicy the Manlet]

Originally Posted by rml1608

2006 109.96
2002 300.88
2001 3,891.31
2000 4,914.04
1999 18,214.92
1998 11,924.64

I see a pattern here.

[thehand]

Originally Posted by Juicy the Manlet

I see a pattern here.

Yea the traffic turned off a long time ago.



I see another pattern:

MPGdevil
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 51


Juicy the Manlet
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 38

[MoreMagic]

Let me quote this again. I love art.

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

A funny repost from the past VS drama:

[MPGdevil]

Originally Posted by thehand

Yea the traffic turned off a long time ago.



I see another pattern:

MPGdevil
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 51


Juicy the Manlet
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 38

I have no need for using multiple nicks, but think whatever you like. After all it is not me who has used shady tactics and should be embarrased.

[Oracle Porn]

Originally Posted by rml1608

LOL - Ya think Fris ? I was 19 years old, immature - and threw away a multi million dollar business cause ALL I wanted to do was party ahaha

Now that is out of my system ...

hey that sounds familiar...are you me?

[VladS]

VideoSecrets is one of the sponsors i trust the most. That thread was clearly not in their favor, but from my experience working with them, i can say they generally follow an honest business model.

If you have quality and targeted webcam traffic, give VideoSecrets a try.

[HandballJim]

Originally Posted by Gsx-R

VideoSecrets is one of the sponsors i trust the most. That thread was clearly not in their favor, but from my experience working with them, i can say they generally follow an honest business model.

If you have quality and targeted webcam traffic, give VideoSecrets a try.

if you don't mind me asking...are these stats from a white label you are using?

I use white labels and had more charge backs then sales...and sent much more uniques, thanks

[VladS]

No, directly to Flirt4Free, the traffic comes from blogs and one page wonders. All SE...

[Cyber Fucker]

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

A funny repost from the past VS drama:

Lol

[fris]

I remember that big video secrets thread, shame what they did to a honest working webmaster(s)

[xenigo]

Originally Posted by Gsx-R

VideoSecrets is one of the sponsors i trust the most. That thread was clearly not in their favor, but from my experience working with them, i can say they generally follow an honest business model.

If you have quality and targeted webcam traffic, give VideoSecrets a try.

So you make more than $1 per click? That's some madness.

[Oliver Klozov]

Video Secrets is the very best, I have NEVER been cheated by them in anyway shape or form!

But even more important let us not forget the HUGE role they played in defeating Acacia!

This is a quote taken from XBIZ written Feb 3, 2010

"The Acacia case is also famous in the industry, however, as a shining example of multi-company cooperation in which a large group of defendants, organized and financed in large part through the extraordinary efforts of VS Media (owner of Flirt4Free) defeated a well financed company specializing in the business of bringing patent infringement actions."

http://www.xbiz.com/articles/117217


They have my business and always will!


.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by xenigo

So you make more than $1 per click? That's some madness.

Agreed - even for target traffic those stats are impressive - good work

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by Oliver Klozov

They have my business and always will!


.

what if they follow AWE`s tactics and change the TOS a little after a few years?
It is not impossible as the market shows us.
As soon a cam portal shows off to become bigger, they will start downsizing affiliates

Would love to see VS her point of view on this

[thehand]

In the past 14 years, with THOUSANDS of webmasters, we had ONE issue like this.
We fucked up, we paid the guy, we changed our T&C's to reflect lifetime rev share.
What more is there to say?

[rml1608]

Just curious, as I didn't read the T & C - If you don't get life time credit for sales generated ... how long do you get paid for referred clients ?

Are there any established web cam programs out there that still do pay on life time referrals ?

Not dissing VS - and still plan on using them, but always open to testing multiple programs even with the limited traffic I have atm.
That's AT THE MOMENT btw not ASS TO MOUTH

[Quagmire]

Yeah, its just too bad they don't care when people repping them to bring in models hand out personal information. I wouldn't promote them because of their lack of concern for model safety and privacy.

[thehand]

Originally Posted by rml1608

Just curious, as I didn't read the T & C - If you don't get life time credit for sales generated ... how long do you get paid for referred clients ?

Are there any established web cam programs out there that still do pay on life time referrals ?

Not dissing VS - and still plan on using them, but always open to testing multiple programs even with the limited traffic I have atm.
That's AT THE MOMENT btw not ASS TO MOUTH

Lifetime, same as rev share.

[TyroneGoldberg]

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

A funny repost from the past VS drama:

i know, i was there

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by rml1608

1998 11,924.64

2006 109.96

and they are still running strong.

So this life time revshare is pretty dried up then right?

whats the year 2009 saying in your stats?

[MPGdevil]

Originally Posted by thehand

In the past 14 years, with THOUSANDS of webmasters, we had ONE issue like this.
We fucked up, we paid the guy, we changed our T&C's to reflect lifetime rev share.
What more is there to say?

Yes you fucked up.. BIG time. You could have admitted on the first few pages that what you did was wrong and pay the guy. Instead you let the thread go for almost 20 pages with 100's of upset webmasters. Still you would not admit that you were in fact stealing, and kept your whole "money for nothing" arrogant attitude.
Thread got deleted (how convenient) but drama wouldn't go away. Your excuse/apology came way too late to be taken seriously.

Yes you paid the guy.. because you were FORCED to pay him. Not because you regret what you did, but because it was in your best interest before loosing more affiliates and money.

Greedy_Brad summed it up quite nicely:

Originally Posted by videosecrets_brad

It has been said that decisions are always correct when you make them, but they can stop being correct soon thereafter. In this case it?s clear that what is in the best interest of Video Secrets, our thousands of performers and our affiliates is a policy which goes out of its way to pay affiliates for life.

Back to Business.

Brad Estes
Manager of Operations
Video Secretes

What more is there to say? Not much. You lost all your credibility back then as an honest sponsor. My final words here.

[Roald]

one of our top money makers for quite some time already.

lol - See sig. Maybe trying something new with a company that actually gives a f*ck about your traffic and bank account is in order?

[Dirty Lord]

great numbers, dude ;)

[John.]

Originally Posted by MPGdevil

A funny repost from the past VS drama:

Thats pretty priceless, fisrt time i've seen it.

[CaptainHowdy]

Very nice...

[Tjeezers]

Still got no answer on my question
that is cause the answer is against all odds and makes this thread worthless
VS.. If you need post whores to make us all forget how you fucked an affiliate, i suggest you do it yourself. Or you dont want to make your hands dirty?

[Tjeezers]

Originally Posted by thehand

In the past 14 years, with THOUSANDS of webmasters, we had ONE issue like this.
We fucked up, we paid the guy, we changed our T&C's to reflect lifetime rev share.
What more is there to say?

A lot more

Why dont you and AWE exchange some " How to twist the facts " experiences?
What more is there to say?

[Bossman]

Whats the point of dragging VS into the AWE issue?

By the looks of it, then VS is not doing anything today, which is harming their affiliates (contrary, their affiliates seam very happy with VS)...

of course we can always speculate what will happen in the future, but getting pissy at companies for some speculative senario, doesn´t really seam fair - every company in the world could turn bad in the future.

Judge companies on what they do, not what they might do

[4pleasure_Davide]

Damn not good.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by 4pleasure_Davide

Damn not good.

huh?

[rml1608]

Originally Posted by Tjeezers

Still got no answer on my question
that is cause the answer is against all odds and makes this thread worthless
VS.. If you need post whores to make us all forget how you fucked an affiliate, i suggest you do it yourself. Or you dont want to make your hands dirty?

If you're calling me a post whore ... You're wrong.

I have been out of this business for so many years I can't count. I made more money then most of you ever will when I was in it though. This was but a fraction of my income. Naturally, when I came back, I went to sponsors I had used before .. and gave them props for a simple one page link in my members area for about a year generating all these numbers.

That being said - I still don't understand. An affiliate generated a sale where the user spent mad money ? Then they didn't pay them because the inordinate amount of spending ? That makes little sense to me as that is what the purpose of lifetime revshare is - and they still seem to offer it. Can someone elaborate without pictures in a simple text statement exactly what the disagreement was ?