more dead programs and programs are dropping pay per sale payouts

[Don Pueblo]

perfect gonzo now.

added to weg, adult proffit, rehab dollars not paying, quick buck, big pps programs are falling apart (non cam), processors are getting boned like webmaster checks, everybody affiliate rep wise has their bagdad bob hats on, fucking used car salesmen. if you aren't logging into your stats to get messages, i would do so, that's all i am sayin to you people.

not that it will matter. yuo dummies will follow any jerkoffed affiliate rep posting that they'll pay you a bigger pps.

got two messages this week in stats programs, not email, about pps being lowered. they aren't gonna make their cute press releases about that kinda thing, so do yu homework. i have already accepted that pps is going down, if not out. banking don't allow it anymore, and if they are doing it, its reallly shady at this point, which mean higher risk for us the affiliate, so take your risks.

if people are not still fucking surfer credit cards, the pps will come down. you either stay with the short money or i guess go long term rev share and work your ass off now.

my money is on most of you fools still chasing short money and getting fucked later. some of you are smart guys and girls, but most of you are too dumb to see and will be back with your threads about so and so big giant pps people not paying.

all of the big programs that can still even hit surfer with cross sale are so saturated that it ain't worth even promoting them. save your traffic, i wasted mine for you.

who is next to go?

[Agent 488]

go read a newspaper. the economy has collapsed. has nothing to do with adult itself.

[Don Pueblo]

didnt say it was adult. changing times chief shrimp boat captain.

[IllTestYourGirls]

$30+ PPS will be a thing of the past in the next 12 months.

[Sly]

Your last two paragraphs are pretty contradictory and almost hypocritical.

You claim that everyone chases short money with high payouts, admitting that you have done the same, and then you complain that all of the big programs that still do high payouts can not be aggressive with their cross sales anymore so they have to drop payouts and are not worth promoting.

[Don Pueblo]

don't care what you think affiliate program pushing guy. i learnt the hard way, now i'm taking the long term money. points are, people are being slick about it and theres a lot more coming. what you say doesn't matter in here, you're repping a program, which is saturated. thanks.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Don Pueblo

don't care what you think affiliate program pushing guy. i learnt the hard way, now i'm taking the long term money. points are, people are being slick about it and theres a lot more coming. what you say doesn't matter in here, you're repping a program, which is saturated. thanks.

You're welcome. I will go back to promoting our shitty program.

[TeenCat]

thank you, calling tonyparra to get job at starbucks asap ...

[signupdamnit]

Among the PPS programs there was always more of a tendency to do the more shadier things. I'm not saying that this is true of all PPS programs but for many. It doesn't surprise me that after various crackdowns they feel the pressure. It also doesn't surprise me that they are the least ethical in regards to their affiliates.

[Brujah]

Get a dictionary or your next job will be fry cook. The captain obvious position was already filled.

[Don Pueblo]

don't try to be witty, it looks silly and you made no sense. i can give a fuck how i type on a message board.

it Aen't a fuckin j0b resumes.

[Naechy]

next one.... maybe me

[Brujah]

So far this morning I've heard 8 more programs are closing, at least two have lowered payouts, etc... but the sources of this information (of course) couldn't or wouldn't mention who these programs were. Translation: they just like to spew bullshit because they think it makes them look in the know.

[TeenCat]

btw, about that pps thing, how can bangbros programs keep paying pps only? i asked for revs but they dont want revs, only few sites are running on revs, all the rest is pps and only pps ... will they go down next? thiefs and stupid practices will always end to shit, quality and hard work will always end in profit ...

[Don Pueblo]

brujah is a nuthugger.

[spunky99]

i'd rather revshare.. more $ in it

[KrissyElise]

It's sad seeing all these programs go down. We have all definitely felt the effect of the economy but we gotta stay strong. We still offer $30 PPS, 60% rev share and 30% rev share on live cams.

[KrissyElise]

Originally Posted by spunky99

i'd rather revshare.. more $ in it

I agree with you. We have affiliates that are getting huge payouts because their rev share from rebilling members keeps on adding up.

[fatfoo]

So many programs are dropping payouts. That sucks.

[Don Pueblo]

metro money has no room to talk about anything. go away.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by TeenCat

btw, about that pps thing, how can bangbros programs keep paying pps only? i asked for revs but they dont want revs, only few sites are running on revs, all the rest is pps and only pps ... will they go down next? thiefs and stupid practices will always end to shit, quality and hard work will always end in profit ...

Bangbros is not offering revshare for the opposite reasons.

Anyway, I have moved more into quality revshare sponsors/sites the last year too. Focusing on 3 niches and 3 leading sites in those niches. The celeb stuff I will probably always do PPS on.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Brujah

Get a dictionary or your next job will be fry cook. The captain obvious position was already filled.

[Don Pueblo]

Originally Posted by Nicky

The celeb stuff I will probably always do PPS on.

Oh yah why is that? oh thats right, people dont rebill when the get into a members area and dont see a celeb fucking that they paid to see fucking.

[SomeCreep]

tube sites

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Don Pueblo

Oh yah why is that? oh thats right, people dont rebill when the get into a members area and dont see a celeb fucking that they paid to see fucking.

In short, yes.

www.titsandnippleslips.com is a site that is daily updated and has been for the last 8 years and probably the only one I would promote celeb revshare with.

[Don Pueblo]

Originally Posted by Nicky

In short, yes.

so you are admiting that you knowingly promote sites that don't deliver what they say they do to your surfers and getting the money and running? you know that the surfer gets ripped off and that's why they don't rebill. good looking out. keep up the good work

[Jeff R]

We aren't lowering any payouts on affairmatch.com. We start at $20 and go up to $60.

[Don Pueblo]

Originally Posted by AdultSpaceJeff

We aren't lowering any payouts on affairmatch.com. We start at $20 and go up to $60.

[mikesinner]

I haven't seen any of the sponsors I actively push go under and I push over 30 that pay me almost monthly. The one thing they all have in common is revshare. Many of them don't even have a pps option.

[AntiChrist]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I haven't seen any of the sponsors I actively push go under and I push over 30 that pay me almost monthly. The one thing they all have in common is revshare. Many of them don't even have a pps option.

It is a matter of time.

[Don Pueblo]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

I haven't seen any of the sponsors I actively push go under and I push over 30 that pay me almost monthly. The one thing they all have in common is revshare. Many of them don't even have a pps option.

you are a smart man. i mean that seriously. all revshare. fuck pps.

[SykkBoy]

Affiliates have been spoiled with high PPS payouts for years now. What's happening is a market correction. Until now, companies would never even think of lowering payouts. Affiliates would have bailed. Programs kept giving more and more to affiliates while the quality of traffic and the total worth of a member has dropped. Even if there were no tube sites, some niches are so over-saturated, they would be taking a hit anyways.

For programs to keep up with the joneses and affiliate demands, they had to do what it took and still have to do whatever it takes to maintain the payouts and stay profitable, despite thinner and thinner bottom lines.

There will always be people who are willing to pay for porn. There will always be a way to monetize porn surfers (as a whole, not necessarily individually) but it's changing and this big correction is going to wipe out some and leave victors, who will have figured it all out with minimal spending.

PPS sponsors have also been paying more and more for surfers who frankly are worth less and less, yet affiliates bitch that it's the sponsor's job to stay profitable and make profit, yet don't want THEIR stake lowered.

We're living in interesting times, that's for sure and one hand it's pretty damn exciting to see what's coming around the bend....depending on which side of the fence your on as things fall by the wayside.

[ArsewithClass]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

$30+ PPS will be a thing of the past in the next 12 months.

We have just started our pay per sale at $25.... Should it be more? Do people not like this sort of figure even if its bringing the sales in?

[Agent 488]

revshare is fucking gay.

[Fabien]

Huh ?
I got guys rebilling for years ! Are you kidding me ?
The best one so far as been billed for 7 years !

Copywrite 2011

[SykkBoy]

Originally Posted by ArsewithClass

We have just started our pay per sale at $25.... Should it be more? Do people not like this sort of figure even if its bringing the sales in?

my opinion...keep it at $25 to start and make people come to you before talking about raising it up...set some goals like 5 sales per week or something for a bump in the payout.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by Don Pueblo

so you are admiting that you knowingly promote sites that don't deliver what they say they do to your surfers and getting the money and running? you know that the surfer gets ripped off and that's why they don't rebill. good looking out. keep up the good work

Hopefully they do deliver to some extent or else they would have CB hell, especially as a celeb site and that has been a big trouble in this niche since the start. I don't know if you have been into Rehab's members area but they do have a pretty good deal of videos and sex tapes and they update weekly atleast. I know of much worse cases.

If I'm gonna promote celeb you can't blame me for choosing PPS. The moral issue of It all we can discuss forever, I just answered your question honestly.

[bdld]

i try to stick with sites that have weekly updates, hd, exclusive and somewhat micro niche. they're hard to find but when you do, they're golden.

[Nicky]

Originally Posted by bdld

i try to stick with sites that have weekly updates, hd, exclusive and somewhat micro niche. they're hard to find but when you do, they're golden.

Good thinking, even more than weekly updates is best.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

Affiliates have been spoiled with high PPS payouts for years now. What's happening is a market correction. Until now, companies would never even think of lowering payouts. Affiliates would have bailed. Programs kept giving more and more to affiliates while the quality of traffic and the total worth of a member has dropped. Even if there were no tube sites, some niches are so over-saturated, they would be taking a hit anyways.

For programs to keep up with the joneses and affiliate demands, they had to do what it took and still have to do whatever it takes to maintain the payouts and stay profitable, despite thinner and thinner bottom lines.

There will always be people who are willing to pay for porn. There will always be a way to monetize porn surfers (as a whole, not necessarily individually) but it's changing and this big correction is going to wipe out some and leave victors, who will have figured it all out with minimal spending.

PPS sponsors have also been paying more and more for surfers who frankly are worth less and less, yet affiliates bitch that it's the sponsor's job to stay profitable and make profit, yet don't want THEIR stake lowered.

We're living in interesting times, that's for sure and one hand it's pretty damn exciting to see what's coming around the bend....depending on which side of the fence your on as things fall by the wayside.

Your opinion is very typical of what I would expect from an "affiliate manager."

As a webmaster, I believe it is up to the sponsors to maintain good recurring ratios with their paysites. The webmaster has no control over how the sponsor runs their paysites or business. One might say, "Well, webmasters promote paysites with devious tours and link straight to the join page." In that case, surfers might not be getting what they expected, but it is still the sponsor who allowed those rules in the first place. So, the buck stops with the sponsor.

It is also the responsibility of the sponsor to stay competitive with payouts in the industry. They should not expect affiliates to deliver the same amount of work and sales for a lower payout. For example, I have two sponsors which convert equally good and run equally great sites. The only difference is one pays $30 PPS and the other $35 PPS. I promote both to keep my traffic diversified, but all of my extra effort, work, and sales always go to the $35 PPS sponsor. If they both payed $35 PPS, I would divide my efforts equally among them.

[JD]

pps was a baddddd idea in the first place

[2MuchMark]

We will be rolling out a new rev-share program in the near future. The payouts will be realistic, steady, and continue for the life of the customer. PPS was a disaster for us and I recommend that anyone doing it keep a very close eye on their numbers, watch out for fraud.

[Vjo]

Don I admire your fire, appreciate you informing affils and agree on most stuff.

You are right some pps progs are prob pulling some stuff. Otoh, as TC said, there are a couple progs paying $35 a sup who are still strong. So maybe one just one cant compete with the other in 2010.

Also I noticed another prog going to $200 min with no mention unless you look. So expect more "where is my money posts" I guess.

Honestly I forget who, prob cause I was going to have to pull links with them anyhow, which figures. That is why they raised payout. They dont sell anymore.

Raising payouts is kind of a "death spiral, disasterous, catch 22" for a prog now days.

My advice, dont do it. Small affils will pull traffic. And the couple decent senders will too. Why? Cause you dont sell and because it appears to everyone like you are fading. Catch 22. Lower your revshare or pps first.

Thank you for your consideration.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

For programs to keep up with the joneses and affiliate demands, they had to do what it took and still have to do whatever it takes to maintain the payouts and stay profitable, despite thinner and thinner bottom lines.

They didn't have to do a thing. Blaming affiliates is just the same old shit I often see here. It's your business and you made the decisions. There are plenty of affiliates who prefer a good long term revshare arrangement (without the "screw") and I happen to be one of them. For years now I've been watching these programs pop up paying $35 on free trials, the $100 per sale promos, the cross sells, and all that other bullshit. I've always mostly rolled my eyes at that crap. I know I'm not the only one either. We sat here for years and watched most of the industry indulge in it, mostly in protest.

[WiredGuy]

Nevermind, just saw the other thread...
WG

[Vjo]

Originally Posted by Vjo

Don I admire your fire, appreciate you informing affils and agree on most stuff.

You are right some pps progs are prob pulling some stuff. Otoh, as TC said, there are a couple progs paying $35 a sup who are still strong. So maybe one just one cant compete with the other in 2010.

Also I noticed another prog going to $200 min with no mention unless you look. So expect more "where is my money posts" I guess.

Honestly I forget who, prob cause I was going to have to pull links with them anyhow, which figures. That is why they raised payout. They dont sell anymore.

Raising payouts is kind of a "death spiral, disasterous, catch 22" for a prog now days.

My advice, dont do it. Small affils will pull traffic. And the couple decent senders will too. Why? Cause you dont sell and because it appears to everyone like you are fading. Catch 22. Lower your revshare or pps first.

Thank you for your consideration.

I'm sorry when I read my own post from an affils point of view it makes sense but from a pay op they would prob be best to leave PPS the same, raise payouts to $200 and just shave ya.. only problem tho with that is if your converions already suck so shaving aint going to work. It wont work for smaller guys. For the bigger senders yes it may work.

Why did I get into this mess. Forgive me. I dont know shit about the paysite side. But I do know if I see $200 I better be pulling that or so a month or two or my traffic is gone. Of course at that point as I said they want to hang on to the whales.

Bottom line: When you aint selling (bringing money in) shit goes south fast. I do know that.

[Vjo]

Actually they would be best to go down with the ship and get favorable press to keep the affil population good will but that seldom happens I guess.

It is a terrible thing when your money crashes and you wonder who is going to pay the elec bill. So they grasp for straws and f everyone rather than use good biz sense preperation and maybe affil good will to stay floating.

Ill throw some hits at someone who has always sold but just needs to lower pps or revshare now. $5 doesnt bother me if you sell. Now if you dont sell hardly at all.. then hopefully you seen it coming.

[crazytrini85]

Expect a few more major announcements very soon. I've got the inside scoop on a few very large companies about to close, and a few others dropping the affiliate model.

Going to be interesting to see who is still here this time 2012.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by crazytrini85

Expect a few more major announcements very soon.

a few very large companies about to close

a few others dropping the affiliate model.

Going to be interesting to see who is still here this time 2012.

Correct on all accounts.

[Agent 488]

most programs are interchangeable nowadays so who cares. just switch links and move on.

the big boys will always have the resources for affiliate traffic and the little guys will need affiliates to make sales.

the sky is not falling because a couple walking dead programs went under.