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Old 07-19-2010, 09:51 AM   #1
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Rom Paul is consistent throughout his entire career - a constitutionalist.
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pork barrel politician

also just as sleazy when it comes to campaign finance as any other fuckface politician. his PAC is currently under investigation by the FEC.
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At first I didnt like this guy, I dont know he just rubbed me the wrong way, but his message is certainly very important. If he does run Ill have to seriously consider giving him my vote, although I believe there are no modern politicians that can save this country as it was.
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A: G. W. Bush

Q: And from what political party was that President from?
A: Republican

Revisionism, seen that before ...

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Didn't Obama say in his campaign he would end the war? Maybe I misunderstood him...

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Obama is just like the rest of them
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Ron Paul sounds good, but so did Obama.


I have come to the sad conclusion that if you sound good, you cant be trusted.
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Ron Paul sounds good, but so did Obama.


I have come to the sad conclusion that if you sound good, you cant be trusted.
But Ron Paul has a voting history to show where he stands. Obama just had words.
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I read that as Ru Paul 2012: Instruments of a Tranny...


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Obama never sounded good...
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pork barrel politician

also just as sleazy when it comes to campaign finance as any other fuckface politician. his PAC is currently under investigation by the FEC.

Gee, ..I wonder why the FEC is "investigating" Campaign for Liberty.

Moron.

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I read that as Ru Paul 2012: Instruments of a Tranny...


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Gee, ..I wonder why the FEC is "investigating" Campaign for Liberty.

Moron.
probably because of their illegal campaign practices.

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But Ron Paul has a voting history to show where he stands. Obama just had words.
We will see who will be able to do what next time. Because i don't think Obama will be around for a 2nd term.
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getta load of them earmarks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...46-503544.html

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Yeah I would rather my REPRESENTATIVE just allow the federal government to tax me to death and never campaign to get back my tax money
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Yeah I would rather my REPRESENTATIVE just allow the federal government to tax me to death and never campaign to get back my tax money
looks to me they get funneled in large part directly to the benefit of corporate interests


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http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/200...or_fy2009.html

lotta love for the shipping industry of texas
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looks to me they get funneled in large part directly to the benefit of corporate interests

Yeah because we want homeless people running the rebuilding of his district. You're really stretching here.
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i love how people are obsessed with earmarks. Usually its big government types railing against smaller government types.

But the truth of the matter is earmarks are only a fraction of the budget, as a mater of fact, big government FRAUD accounts for more of the budget than earmarks.

Earmarks: $48 billion
Fraud: $98 billion
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Ron Paul Hates fema and bailing out people who live in flood prone areas
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Ron Paul: Because I think FEMA helps create the flood problems. (Without subsidies,) if it's risky on the Gulf Coast to build there, the insurance prices will go up. If (they're) too high, nobody will build there, or they'll build there with full risk. Flood comes, wind blows your house away, you don't get reimbursed. So there might be (only) modest building in those areas. But if the government subsidizes the insurance, saying, "If you build there, don't sweat it, we're going to bail you out," more people move into the flood-prone areas. Then who are the people that have to bail you out? Somebody that lives out in the desert. It's unfair, it's not good economics. You create more problems, more houses get flooded, and it becomes a general problem rather than an individual problem. We have undermined is the principle of measuring risk. Then people do things that they wouldn't have otherwise done.
but gives fema millions of dollars to do exactly that

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/200...or_fy2009.html

• $8.8 million for FEMA for drainage at Cove Harbor in Aransas County
• $2.2 million for FEMA to reconfigure and stabilize Capano Causeway Pier
• $500,000 for FEMA for Aransas County drainage master plan
• $35 million for FEMA for drainage in Friendswood
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek
• $10 million for FEMA for drainage project for Friendswood/Clear Creek

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ron paul claims to hate subsidies

spends hundreds of millions in 2009 alone to subsidize the shipping industry


? $41.073 million for Army Corps of Engineers to deepen and widen Texas City Channel
? $21.6 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge and reconfigure jetties at mouth of Colorado River
? $7.02 million for Army Corps of Engineers to dredge Freeport Harbor
? $16.021 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Galveston Harbor
? $1 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Cedar Bayou
? $3.297 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Texas City Channel
? $200,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Cedar Bayou
? $13.038 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Matagorda Ship Channel
? $42.018 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Gulf Intercoastal Waterway
? $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Victoria
? $600,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Sabine Pass to Galveston Bay
? $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Feeport Harbor
? $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for feasibility study for Lower Guadalupe River Basin
? $400,000 for Army Corps of Engineers for preliminary engineering and design study at Freeport Harbor.
? $21.7 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Houston Galveston Navigation Channel
? $2.165 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Trinity River
? $6.979 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Wallisville Lake
? $1.3 million for Army Corps of Engineers to study flooding around Colorado River
? $11 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Wharton and Onion Creek
? $3.026 million for Army Corps of Engineers for Chocolate Bayou
? $533,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain channel to Port Bolivar
? $41.623 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Houston Ship Channel
? $1.01 million for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Double Bayou
? $3 million for Army Corps of Engineers for construction at Clear Creek
? $500,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to maintain Port Palacios
? $100,000 for Army Corps of Engineers to study sand placement near Brazoria County shoreline
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he's a typical Right-Wing hypocrit
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I have come to the sad conclusion that if you sound good, you cant be trusted.
do some research bro. ron paul clearly stands out from the pack.

his actions speak just as loud as his words. which can't be said for 99% of politicians.
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gotta love a guy who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. nice little scam he's got going on if you ask me.
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gotta love a guy who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. nice little scam he's got going on if you ask me.
Clearly you did not read what he said or just chose not to understand.

How would you like to see federal tax dollars spent? By a dictator like Bush or your representative?
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Clearly you did not read what he said or just chose not to understand.

How would you like to see federal tax dollars spent? By a dictator like Bush or your representative?
I would like to see a guy who preaches small government one day not preach spending like a mad man the next.
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SPEND YOUR WAY TO A SMALLER GOVERNMENT! VOTE RON PAUL
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his actions speak just as loud as his words.
Too bad his actions are the complete opposite of his words.
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Too bad his actions are the complete opposite of his words.
you are too dense to comprehend what he said in that fox news interview as to why he spent so much on earmarks. so it's pointless for me to even argue with you at this point.
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you are too dense to comprehend what he said in that fox news interview as to why he spent so much on earmarks. so it's pointless for me to even argue with you at this point.
More spending = smaller government how exactly?
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Yeah, too bad Obama turned out to be more of the same.

I thought the US had a pretty good chance with him.
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It's weird to see Bush talking like he's not some dumb buffoon. WTF? Did he get drugged or brain washed? It's like 2 different people.
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How many more people are gonna wave around the bush red herring ITT. place your bets now!
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It's weird to see Bush talking like he's not some dumb buffoon. WTF? Did he get drugged or brain washed? It's like 2 different people.
Bush only played like he was dumb to feed into that whole "I'm a trustworthy regular guy from Texas" image that got him voted in. He is from the North East, raised in a wealthy family and graduated ivy league. It is all an act.
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Bush only played like he was dumb to feed into that whole "I'm a trustworthy regular guy from Texas" image that got him voted in. He is from the North East, raised in a wealthy family and graduated ivy league. It is all an act.
Yeah thats no joke.

I get why progressives called him stupid. The American people bought it. They got the their people in. But the funny way they got their people in is by claiming "Bush tricked us into voting for the war, patriot act ect." Yeah, he was the dumb one
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Ron Paul is typical? Check out how he votes in Congress and you will see that he votes unlike everyone else in congress.

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark_(politics)

Defenders of the earmarking process point out that directing money to particular purposes is a core Constitutional function of Congress. If Congress does not make a specific allocation, the task falls to the executive branch; there is no guarantee that the allocation made by executive agencies will be superior to Congress's. Presidents and executive officials can use the allocation of spending to reward friends and punish enemies. The process of earmarks has been substantially reformed since the beginning of the 110th Congress. Members of Congress must post all their requests on their websites and they must sign a certification letter (which are then put online) indicating that neither they nor their spouse has financial interest in the earmark request.[10] Many members have instituted an applications process that their constituents must undergo for earmark requests.[11] Finally, member-directed projects constitute 2 percent of the federal budget.[citation needed]

Here's something to consider: I oppose 2257, but that does not mean I am a hypocrite if I comply with 2257. I oppose social security but, that does not mean I am a hypocrite by collecting social security, especially if I paid taxes into social security. If I oppose government-run police and fire, that does not mean I dont use those services. In fact, you can be arrested and punished if you fail to report some crimes or fires, or fail to pay taxes. My religion may allow me more than one wife, but I may be in prison, if I do it.

As long as congress continues to pass massive budgets, then Ron Paul wants some taxes refunded back to Texas, through earmarks. Ron Paul cant issue tax refunds, so earmarks are one of the only ways to send money back to Texas. He always votes against the Federal budget, by the way. If you dont like earmarks for Texas, then tell your congressman to vote against the federal budget, like Ron Paul does, and then no one will get any earmarks.

Of course, we both already know that you dont oppose earmarks on principle. You just want to attack Ron Paul and make him look like a hypocrite, because he is not an ally of socialism/marxism/communism. Isn't that the truth?
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:21 PM   #49
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But I think you're missing the whole point. I have never voted for an earmark. I voted against all appropriation bills. So, this whole thing about earmarks is totally misunderstood.

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The principle of the earmark is our responsibility. We're supposed to ? it's like a ? a tax credit. And I vote for all tax credits, no matter how silly they might seem. If I can give you any of you of your money back, I vote for it. So, if I can give my district any money back, I encourage that.

But, because the budget is out of control, I haven't voted for an appropriation in years ? if ever.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:28 PM   #50
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All hail the messiah ron paul.. he can do no wrong for he walks on water.

haha you people are worse than obamatards.
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