Fight the .xxx!

[FightThisPatent]

Polish Aristocrat first posted up about .XXX popping its head in his thread.

Story posted here on circleid.com


AVN online writeup:


Xbiz writeup


Fight the ready, set go!

[FightThisPatent]

ICM's official release of their story in asking for independent review.


Fight the click challenged!

[munki]

It's back? wtf...

[MJ_AVN]

I am stupified and dumbfounded... more so that I normally am. Although, after talking to Brandon, it makes more sense why this happened.

[Compdoctor]

Money talks I guess

[st0ned]

I hope they don't release the .XXX TLD because if I remember correctly they had wanted to force all adult sites to use it.

[NN_Matt]

it would basically corner the industry i would think if they implemented this. fingers crossed that they won't.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by MJ_AVN

I am stupified and dumbfounded... more so that I normally am. Although, after talking to Brandon, it makes more sense why this happened.

The reasons ICM is still fighting for this .XXX TLD:

- they have spent over $4M already, and with potential revenues reaching $100M+ per year in registrations, wouldn't you keep pushing?

- the new Chairman of the Board for ICANN, supported .XXX when he was a board member. There are new board members now, so they might be sympathetic to arguments

- Lawley believes he has found the 'smoking gun' from their FOIA requests the Dept. of Commerce played a heavy hand

- They still content that they have support of the adult community from tens of thousands of adult webmasters who emailed them (yeah right), over a dozen letters of endorsements from large adult "leaders", and the stunt they pulled to "pre-register" .xxx when ICANN told them not to do it, that they now claim 100,000 pre-registered domains have been received, thus proving they have the adult community defined.



Fight the .$$$!

[JFK]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

The reasons ICM is still fighting for this .XXX TLD:

- they have spent over $4M already, and with potential revenues reaching $100M+ per year in registrations, wouldn't you keep pushing?

- the new Chairman of the Board for ICANN, supported .XXX when he was a board member. There are new board members now, so they might be sympathetic to arguments

- Lawley believes he has found the 'smoking gun' from their FOIA requests the Dept. of Commerce played a heavy hand

- They still content that they have support of the adult community from tens of thousands of adult webmasters who emailed them (yeah right), over a dozen letters of endorsements from large adult "leaders", and the stunt they pulled to "pre-register" .xxx when ICANN told them not to do it, that they now claim 100,000 pre-registered domains have been received, thus proving they have the adult community defined.



Fight the .$$$!

Thanks Brandon, this shit just wont go away

[tony286]

what can we do to stop this?

[Nikki_Licks]

Thanks for the heads up, Brandon

I guess it's time to put the pissed off attitude aside for a moment and draft up a view of our concerns. I am definitely not happy about this demon is raising its head again.

I know allot of people will probably chose to ignore this, thinking it will go away, like last time. If we don't take the time to stick together and send in our comments then we get what we deserve.

I personally do not want to be under the rule of a guy whose main concern is money, not the welfare of children, as he built his platform on last time around.
Again, we can beat this lawley guy and his nonferrous ways if we all take the time to draft up reasonable responses to this bogus attempt to protect children.

[kane]

Originally Posted by tony404

what can we do to stop this?

As far as I know right now we sit and wait. If ICANN rejects their request all is good. If ICANN agrees to do the review I would imagine there will be some sort of way to send your opinion to them.

[broots]

I think .xxx has as much chance of going through as .homo for gay sites. It's never going to happen.

[Nikki_Licks]

On another note, it would be nice to see this remain as a bold sticky until its over.......just so everyone will have a chance to see it and respond to ICANN.

Any chance of that happening?
















Fight the Lawley .XXX

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by broots

I think .xxx has as much chance of going through as .homo for gay sites. It's never going to happen.

Do not kid yourself! This shit is for real and it can put a dent in this industry as well as many losing what they have worked so hard for.

Send your comments in

[Unlimited]

bump for this

fuck .xxx!

[seeric]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

The reasons ICM is still fighting for this .XXX TLD:

- they have spent over $4M already, and with potential revenues reaching $100M+ per year in registrations, wouldn't you keep pushing?

- the new Chairman of the Board for ICANN, supported .XXX when he was a board member. There are new board members now, so they might be sympathetic to arguments

- Lawley believes he has found the 'smoking gun' from their FOIA requests the Dept. of Commerce played a heavy hand

- They still content that they have support of the adult community from tens of thousands of adult webmasters who emailed them (yeah right), over a dozen letters of endorsements from large adult "leaders", and the stunt they pulled to "pre-register" .xxx when ICANN told them not to do it, that they now claim 100,000 pre-registered domains have been received, thus proving they have the adult community defined.

Fight the .$$$!

IF IT EVER GETS DOWN TO IT I AM OUTING EVERY FUCKING ASSHOLE WHO IS FOR IT AND TRIED MAKING SWEETHEART DEALS. I KNOW THE STORY FROM START TO FINISH! ONE DAY I WILL SELL IT TO SOMEONE WRITING A BOOK TO GET MY MONEY!

FIGHT THE BACKSTABBING COCKSUCKERS.

[polish_aristocrat]

Looks like you have chosen a better thread title so this thread gets more views than my yesterday's thread ;)

to answer the question, what we can do, I'm not sure.

This is not a new application, this is an "Independent Review Petition" which is something totally new.

Read below to see what this is about (please concentrate, it's quite complicated language )

As set forth in ICANN?s Bylaws, an affected party (here, ICM) has the right to file a request for independent review of ICANN?s actions by an independent panel comprised of one or three members. ICM has elected a three-member panel. The independent review is to be administered by the International Centre for Dispute Resolution (?ICDR?) under its Procedural Rules as well as the Supplementary Procedures for ICANN?s Independent Review Process. The Independent Review Panel?s mandate is to: (1) compare those actions of the ICANN Board contested by an affected party (in this case, ICM) to ICANN?s Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws, and (2) to declare whether the ICANN Board has taken a decision, acted, or failed to act, consistently with the provisions of those Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws.

ICM?s Request for Independent Review Process contains a summary of the facts that form the basis of ICM?s dispute with ICANN, describes the applicable standards and law that ICANN?s actions are subject to, provides ICM?s proposed elections for the Independent Review Process, and lists the relief ICM requests because of ICANN?s inconsistencies and violations of its Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws. Specifically, ICM requests, among other things, that the Independent Review Panel declare that: (1) ICANN?s administration of the RFP as it related to ICM?s application was inconsistent with ICANN?s Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws; (2) ICANN?s repudiation of its previous determination that ICM?s application fulfilled the criteria for approval set forth in the RFP was inconsistent with ICANN?s Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws; (3) ICANN?s rejection of ICM?s application was inconsistent with ICANN?s Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws, resulting in substantial, unjustifiable, and unreasonable harm to ICM; (4) ICANN must immediately execute a registry agreement on terms and conditions substantially similar to ICM?s draft registry agreement posted to the ICANN website on 16 February 2007; (5) ICANN must pay compensation for all costs incurred by ICM in connection with both its application and Request for Independent Review; (6) ICM is the prevailing party in this Independent Review Process; and (7) the determination regarding whether any of ICANN?s actions were inconsistent with ICANN?s Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws is binding on ICANN.

so basically they ask an ICANN panel to admit that ICANN board made a mistake last year and hm... points 4 and 5...

(4) ICANN must immediately execute a registry agreement on terms and conditions substantially similar to ICM?s draft registry agreement posted to the ICANN website on 16 February 2007; (5) ICANN must pay compensation for all costs incurred by ICM in connection with both its application and Request for Independent Review.


so if I read it right, they want that that independent ICANN panel reverses the ICANN board decision that rejected .xxx, and compensates ICM for the costs.

i'm not so familiar with the Independent Review panel.

This is definitely something else than the process of taking decision by ICANN board, where they look for public comments, like 1 year ago...

But since this ICANN panel apparently has the possibility to ask the ICANN's board to reverse its decision, then perhaps some comments from the adult webmaster community to the Panelists could be subitted as well.

But this is just loud thinking, I don't really have more knowledge on how this Independent Review will look like...

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I love the idea of a TLD for adult but this .xxx proposal is a complete lie and fuck over for the industry. A TLD for the Industry can literally bring alot of our problems to rest if it were drawn out right and properly.

The .XXX proposal is pure evil and a money grab for the creators.

[~Ray]

when will the xxxregistry.org scammers pop back up?

[mikeyddddd]

[DBS.US]

I just reserved PornTube.XXX

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

Looks like you have chosen a better thread title so this thread gets more views than my yesterday's thread ;)

LOL, that's why i sent you icq as soon as I saw your thread title, and was like, where's the .XXX text part LOL

Excellent job in finding the news... your vigilance and input is greatly needed!


Fight the high five!

[BlackCrayon]

ICANN passes so many useless bullshit tlds, we've gotta fight this one good and hard to keep it from becoming a reality.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

But since this ICANN panel apparently has the possibility to ask the ICANN's board to reverse its decision, then perhaps some comments from the adult webmaster community to the Panelists could be subitted as well.

this was something that Jeffrey Douglas, Tom Hymes, and myself were looking at about a year ago... the ICANN review process is very vague, and the reviiew panel has no power.. they can come up with a decision that is opposite of the board decision, but it means nothing.

There is nothing the bylaws that stated that the icann board had to listen to the independent review.

There was a guy who was asking for independent review over .travel, and he he kept banging his head on the icann walls, because they had not real clear procedures for a review and what it really mean in the end.

There are alot of ICANN observers that would love to get clarification on the independent review panel, so the only good thing that will come out of this, is that lawley may help to make that process clear, when .XXX gets shot down again

Fight the don't let the door hit your arse on the way out!

[2012]

its back? ...

[FightThisPatent]

A quick refresher of years of this sh*t (off the top of my head):

- domains will cost around $60 - $75 / year. $10 of the fee will go as grants to child protection organizations. Note, most organizations that are "child protection" are typically anti-adult (except of ASACP.org of course)

- the board of directors for ICM will have 7 positions. One is dedicated to "adult community", one is for "free speech", but isn't FSC. One is for "child protection" , one is for ICRA/FOSI, and the rest of ICM. As you can see, that a TLD that is supposed to represent the industry, has really only 1 vote.

- supposedly only adult industry people can register the domains, but yet 100,000 domains have been pre-registered, most likely from domainers trying to cash in.. lets not even get into the discussion about who gets the .xxxx , is it the .com owner? the .jp owner? etc

- if you have a .com and you also have the .xxx you are required to put labelling on the .com and the .xxx - most likely ICRA/FOSI labelling instead of ASACP's RTA label that was created by adult, for adult (http://www.rtalabel.org) (which i co-authored)

- there might be "premium" .xxx domains that will go for a higher renewal price. You can see this going on in like .tv

- the speculation that if the .XXX domain is not taken, that some default website will show up, most likely someone who gave their support for .XXX would get to run this "parked" page. Network Solutions did this a while back called Pathfinder and got a huge stink over it.

- there were a couple laws proposed to use .XXX to make it mandatory, despite ICM stating they have put up 250,000 in the defense to fight against that, if it were ever to happen. FSC laughed at the $250K number, since they know how much it takes to fight.

- there were many large companies who didn't want to take a public stand against .XXX (but were against it) for fear they will lose their traffic deals with them

- there were many companies who gave their support for .XXX but that list to ICANN has never been made public. would be nice if you could FOIA that info from ICANN.



Fight the energizer .XXX !

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

On another note, it would be nice to see this remain as a bold sticky until its over.......just so everyone will have a chance to see it and respond to ICANN.

Any chance of that happening?

sorry

[CyberHustler]

Again.....?

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by baddog

sorry

given the low views on this thread, its a good thing its not up to the adult industry to deal with .XXX at this point.

Seems to be more of an ICANN internal issue at this moment until they open it up to public comment.


Fight the apathy!

[Marky333]

Fight them! .xxx is a bad idea!

[JenniDahling]

This thing is worse than the monster in the B movie...

Why don't they just do a .kid and do a safe zone instead of trying to police the masses.

[Socks]

Isn't this how everything happens, people get bored of the story after a while, then the second or third time around there's just no energy left in the backlash, and they get it approved without much hoopla

[Dirty Dane]

How many times are they gonna push this, and how many times has it been rejected now?

Its like a bad neverending zombie serie.

[Ron Bennett]

While on the topic of stopping .XXX ... I have StopXXX.com / StopDotXXX.com pair for sale.

[email protected]

Ron

[Turf]

bump to keep people informed!

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by Socks

Isn't this how everything happens, people get bored of the story after a while, then the second or third time around there's just no energy left in the backlash, and they get it approved without much hoopla

Given the low read and posts counts, that might be true.

Fight the bell ringing!

[digifan]

Originally Posted by Socks

Isn't this how everything happens, people get bored of the story after a while, then the second or third time around there's just no energy left in the backlash, and they get it approved without much hoopla

It can happen.. but let's hope not.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by baddog

sorry

If anything, it would be a good idea to do this and I had a feeling it wouldn't be that important to some, but I had to suggest ;)

[FightThisPatent]

Originally Posted by JenniDahling

Why don't they just do a .kids and do a safe zone instead of trying to police the masses.

what she said


Fight the behind every good woman is a good man!

[pornguy]

Fucking amazing. And I will do my best to bump this thread every hour or so every day that I work until this is dead.

[pornguy]

Here is the hourly bump

[Jens Van Assterdam]

i sell short xxx domains

[pornguy]

Bump again.

[pornguy]

Wow. I am amazed at the fact that this thread is so slow.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by FightThisPatent

Seems to be more of an ICANN internal issue at this moment until they open it up to public comment.

Is it a certainty that there will be a public comment period relating to the independent review? I didn't catch any reference to a public comment period in ICM's request for review, but I'm sure they don't really see an additional public comment period as being in their best interest, so that might have been a conscious omission on their part.

Hopefully, the request that the review board "declare that ICANN must immediately execute a registry agreement on terms and conditions substantially similar to ICM's draft registry agreement" proposed in Feb 2007 either proves a bridge too far for the review board, or executing such an agreement would trigger more public comment. On its face, the language of that request sounds like ICM is going for a knockout punch via the review board -- an attempt to bypass the question of public comment and more internal debate by the ICANN board, and simply execute the agreement pursuant to the demand of the review panel.

Of course, if the ICANN board can simply ignore the review panel's decision, ICM's individual requests relating to the independent review board's declarations could be moot, anyway.

Hopefully all of this will be clarified when ICM's request for review is answered/acted upon.

[Nikki_Licks]

Back to the top

[Voodoo]

Fight the "Fight the" threads!

[pornguy]

another bump to keep it up top

[fusionx]

::bump::

and -

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