Hey Nathan/Fabian...the U.S. Justice Dept. Might Take Your Pornhub Domain From You

[Robbie]

How do you like that?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1828922520101118

The Senate passed it today. Pirate domains are coming down.

You've said over and over on GFY that the tube sites only represent a very small part of Manwin's revenue.

Never made sense to me to bring all this heat on yourself since you claim you didn't make much on it anyway. But now it looks like you BETTER clean it up and stop hiding behind DMCA, because if you don't...pornhub could end up a parked domain with the Justice Dept. logo on it.

And you deserve it too.

[RyuLion]

Whoot whoot! its almost time to celebrate..

[MetaMan]

Bro dont hate the playa hate the game.

[Bryan G]

Will never happen,

[theking]

Originally Posted by Robbie

How do you like that?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1828922520101118

The Senate passed it today. Pirate domains are coming down.

You've said over and over on GFY that the tube sites only represent a very small part of Manwin's revenue.

Never made sense to me to bring all this heat on yourself since you claim you didn't make much on it anyway. But now it looks like you BETTER clean it up and stop hiding behind DMCA, because if you don't...pornhub could end up a parked domain with the Justice Dept. logo on it.

And you deserve it too.

That is not what the bill is about.

[Agent 488]

they respond to dmca's don't they? they are legal. nothing will happen to them.

educate yourself dude. it's not 2002 anymore.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Will never happen,

shut your canadian scarf wearing metrosexual pansy ass up.

[LeRoy]

Yah it's not gonna happen.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by BVF

shut your canadian scarf wearing metrosexual pansy ass up.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

they respond to dmca's don't they? they are legal. nothing will happen to them.

educate yourself dude. it's not 2002 anymore.

Here is just ONE thread about them NOT responding to DMCA's

http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=930652

I am in the porn biz for a living. Have skin in the game. I am educated on it. I'm not even sure where you're getting the "2002" from. I started online in the mid 1990's.

And hiding behind DMCA isn't gonna cut it anymore. Read that article. Too much money is being lost by mainstream companies from pirates dancing with DMCA.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Will never happen,

Exactly right.

With Google images, and YouTube, this is not over by a long shot.

[billywatson]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

they respond to dmca's don't they? they are legal. nothing will happen to them.

educate yourself dude. it's not 2002 anymore.

They play the DMCA game, dude.

Time to educate yourself.

Oh wait. You're not a content producer. You've never been told your content is coming down, only to see it back up a few weeks later. That's why you think the way you do.

[MrDeiz]

good one

but wait... what's the number of attempts to do something with them?..

[DamianJ]

It's sweet when people just read headlines.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by billywatson

They play the DMCA game, dude.

Time to educate yourself.

Oh wait. You're not a content producer. You've never been told your content is coming down, only to see it back up a few weeks later. That's why you think the way you do.

what people want to happen and will happen are two different things. no point deluding yourself.

this bill wont effect any porn site in any way. it's clear when you read the bill.

[marketsmart]

dont worry robbie, i am planning a mission impossible style raid on their data center where i plan on short circuiting their servers with alligator piss....




.

[fris]

Originally Posted by Robbie

How do you like that?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1828922520101118

The Senate passed it today. Pirate domains are coming down.

You've said over and over on GFY that the tube sites only represent a very small part of Manwin's revenue.

Never made sense to me to bring all this heat on yourself since you claim you didn't make much on it anyway. But now it looks like you BETTER clean it up and stop hiding behind DMCA, because if you don't...pornhub could end up a parked domain with the Justice Dept. logo on it.

And you deserve it too.

very small %, ya right, I would bet the network of tube sites are a MAJOR portion.

At first mansef/manwin whatever you wanna call them denied even owning the site, said it wasnt in their business model.

Wish someone other than Nathan would post, since he doesnt really own a large stake in this, hes only the gfy poster boy to handle the PR nightmare.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by marketsmart

dont worry robbie, i am planning a mission impossible style raid on their data center where i plan on short circuiting their servers with alligator piss....
.

No need to bro...Nathan/Fabian is consulting with his lawyers as we speak. They will surely give him even more great legal advice.

No matter what some of the people on here who are fans of such things may think...Stevie Wonder could see that stealing is going to lead to pirate sites getting what's coming to them in the end. It was just a matter of time for the law to catch up with technology.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

what people want to happen and will happen are two different things. no point deluding yourself.

this bill wont effect any porn site in any way. it's clear when you read the bill.

Why not? Piracy is piracy.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by Robbie

How do you like that?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1828922520101118

The Senate passed it today. Pirate domains are coming down.

You've said over and over on GFY that the tube sites only represent a very small part of Manwin's revenue.

Never made sense to me to bring all this heat on yourself since you claim you didn't make much on it anyway. But now it looks like you BETTER clean it up and stop hiding behind DMCA, because if you don't...pornhub could end up a parked domain with the Justice Dept. logo on it.

And you deserve it too.

Come on Robbie, you're a smart guy. You know as well as I do, that new proposal is only meant for sites dealing in counterfeit goods, music, and software piracy. The government doesn't give a shit about piracy in the adult industry. When has the government EVER helped the adult industry in any way??

[Robbie]

One bright spot for Nathan/Fabian is this:
Once this piracy shit is under control again, sales will be up on my affiliate work again and my free sites will once again be able to sell memberships because the entire members areas of the sites I promote will no longer be available for free.

And that means I'll have room to hire another programmer. Nathan/Fabian has already stated in another post that he is very rusty and incapable at this point of even writing a simple script to eliminate all the stolen content on pornhub. He said that himself.
But I'm a nice guy. I'll hire you as a programmer and give you a few months to get back up to speed.
It's been a loooonnnnnggggg time since Nathan/Fabian helped write NATS version 1. A lot of stuff has changed. But I'll give him some time to play catch up.

[Zyber]

Originally Posted by theking

That is not what the bill is about.

Second that.

I bet this is about shutting down sites like WikiLeaks.org which has exposed war crimes committed by US and allies.

Someone doesn't want the truth to surface.

If this means we get rid of the tubes and illegal filehosts. Great, but I doubt the law is going to be used for that..

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

Why not? Piracy is piracy.

obviously you never read the article, let alone the bill.

take half an hour and come back, or you can delude yourself it says something it doesn't say. whatever gets you through the day.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Come on Robbie, you're a smart guy. You know as well as I do, that new proposal is only meant for sites dealing in counterfeit goods, music, and software piracy. The government doesn't give a shit about piracy in the adult industry. When has the government EVER helped the adult industry in any way??

The govt. doesn't want to help us in any way. Matter of fact they are GLAD we are getting destroyed by piracy.

But the article says this (I capitalized the word MOVIE):
"The bill allows the Justice Department to seek a court order against the domain name of websites offering illegal music or MOVIE downloads or ones that sell counterfeit goods ranging from fake tennis shoes to pharmaceutical products."

[CrkMStanz]

As much as I have hope for this...

Its likely to just be another soft legal patch, complete with an as-yet unseen major loophole, and fixing the 'loophole' will take another 10 years before another 'soft legal patch' is attempted.

and round and round we go.

but I'll throw my optimism into the ring once again.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

When has the government EVER helped the adult industry in any way??

On the other side, now they can shut down sites that distribute porn on mass scale. Not because it's porn, but because of piracy. That will be their excuse.

[Agent 488]

everything will just be moved further offshore if they are worried.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

everything will just be moved further offshore if they are worried.

You really didn't read this thing did you?
This law is aimed at folks trying that. They are taking the DOMAINS. In other words you can be sitting anywhere in the world you want to...but if you have no website you have nothing.

Please go read it. You'll be pleasantly surprised at what it can do.

[ottopottomouse]

WASHINGTON, Nov 18 (Reuters) - U.S. agencies and officials would get new powers to go after foreign websites that sell counterfeit goods and pirated music, movies and books under a bill passed on Thursday by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

How hard is it to read further than the headline?

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You really didn't read this thing did you?
This law is aimed at folks trying that. They are taking the DOMAINS. In other words you can be sitting anywhere in the world you want to...but if you have no website you have nothing.

Please go read it. You'll be pleasantly surprised at what it can do.

if the registrar is in the US, yes. but,

"If the registry is located outside the United States, the U.S. Attorney General could go after the website by requiring U.S.-based Internet service providers, payment processors and advertising networks to stop doing business with it."

so as i said, it is just going to push the above deeper offshore.

[sextoyking]

Of course there are some 1ammed issues here too.

If the gov. can hold / take away a persons domain - how far can that go?

I can see alot of legal issues coming forth, EFF, Aclu, etc.

The gov. might start with illegal sites and all but what about next..

[Zyber]

Originally Posted by Robbie

You really didn't read this thing did you?
This law is aimed at folks trying that. They are taking the DOMAINS. In other words you can be sitting anywhere in the world you want to...but if you have no website you have nothing.

Please go read it. You'll be pleasantly surprised at what it can do.

Interesting. I wonder if the loss of national independence will lead to ICANN losing its role as the governing body of the internet.

Maybe a new global organisation will be created? Perhaps U.N. will step in?

[AdultEUhost]

then people will just move to a european or canadian host to avoid US laws

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

if the registrar is in the US, yes. but,

"If the registry is located outside the United States, the U.S. Attorney General could go after the website by requiring U.S.-based Internet service providers, payment processors and advertising networks to stop doing business with it."

so as i said, it is just going to push the above deeper offshore.

You're not understanding what this is saying. It doesn't matter if their registar is in the U.S.

Just like if I go after a domain name that infringes on my trademark. It doesn't matter.
ICANN has the final say on EVERY domain.

Plus you're not even taking into account what it's saying about processing and advertising networks.

This bill has the potential to really slap the shit out of pirates.

[ThumbLord]

and when the domain in question is parked with the nice logo of the Justice Dept. another domain will be up and with the use of Social Media it will be flocked within seconds again, repeat and rinse etc. etc etc.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by Robbie

This bill has the potential to really slap the shit out of pirates.

So does Captain Slappy, The Anti-Piracy Octopus, but he is about as likely as this bill is to make any difference to porn piracy.

[SomeCreep]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The govt. doesn't want to help us in any way. Matter of fact they are GLAD we are getting destroyed by piracy.

But the article says this (I capitalized the word MOVIE):
"The bill allows the Justice Department to seek a court order against the domain name of websites offering illegal music or MOVIE downloads or ones that sell counterfeit goods ranging from fake tennis shoes to pharmaceutical products."

My view is more grim, however I do believe it is realistic. That is, in order for adult tube sites to go extinct, all of the big mainstream tubes (i.e. youtube, metacafe, etc) would also have to go extinct. Nothing I've seen yet, makes me believe that will happen.

[Agent 488]

pirate sites are already losing their domains already. what they are doing is just moving to a new domain and updating people of the new one via their massive twitter and facebook followers. this will make life more difficult for the pirates but to think it is a game changer is ridiculous.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I am educated on it. I'm not even sure where you're getting the "2002" from.

my guess: your reg date.

[TheDoc]

Robbie the bill has to do with Counterfeiting of goods being sold as the actual product. Which would include dvd's, cd's, downloadable media, etc.... "sold" as the Org good - this is "real" piracy. These people aren't subject to dmca, at all....

Tubes aren't pirating anything until you go to Court to prove otherwise - and so far no court has ever said they are. It's not piracy, it's copyright infringement. This ruling will not change anything, until dmca changes.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

pirate sites are already losing their domains already. what they are doing is just moving to a new domain and updating people of the new one via their massive twitter and facebook followers. this will make life more difficult for the pirates but to think it is a game changer is ridiculous.

And you think they haven't thought about that? I bet the court orders will include the power to also shut down any clone very fast.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Robbie the bill has to do with Counterfeiting of goods being sold as the actual product. Which would include dvd's, cd's, downloadable media, etc.... "sold" as the Org good - this is "real" piracy. These people aren't subject to dmca, at all....

Tubes aren't pirating anything until you go to Court to prove otherwise - and so far no court has ever said they are. It's not piracy, it's copyright infringement. This ruling will not change anything, until dmca changes.

Good point. Not sure if and how they will approach that. But I'm thinking the movie part of it has a lot to do with Hollywood movies being on torrent sites ahead of general release and hurting sales. That big commotion over the Wolverine movie for instance.

What was being "sold" were pre-paid ad spots. Money is changing hands one way or another and I think the laws are starting to catch up with what's going on.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

pirate sites are already losing their domains already. what they are doing is just moving to a new domain and updating people of the new one via their massive twitter and facebook followers. this will make life more difficult for the pirates but to think it is a game changer is ridiculous.

Really? You don't think that losing the pornhub domain isn't a "game changer"?

Now you're being ridiculous. Sure they could open it somewhere else and do the same thing. But then it would be just another "pornhub" clone with no more traffic than the other thousand just like it out there.

A domain that has established traffic is VERY valuable. Kill it and you are going to hurt that person badly. You sure you're thinking straight on this? As a guy doing internet porn you should already know these things. Maybe you're just knee-jerk devils advocating without thinking it through.

[ottopottomouse]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Good point. Not sure if and how they will approach that. But I'm thinking the movie part of it has a lot to do with Hollywood movies being on torrent sites ahead of general release and hurting sales. That big commotion over the Wolverine movie for instance.

What was being "sold" were pre-paid ad spots. Money is changing hands one way or another and I think the laws are starting to catch up with what's going on.

Your reading into it things you want it to mean rather than the actual meaning.

[Agent 488]

it is just what i have observed already from decent sized pirate tv/movie sites that lost their domains to the feds so far.

pirate sites are incredibly viral anyway. over a few drinks people don't talk about bangbros anymore, but spankwire. word spreads.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Really? You don't think that losing the pornhub domain isn't a "game changer"?

Now you're being ridiculous. Sure they could open it somewhere else and do the same thing. But then it would be just another "pornhub" clone with no more traffic than the other thousand just like it out there.

A domain that has established traffic is VERY valuable. Kill it and you are going to hurt that person badly. You sure you're thinking straight on this? As a guy doing internet porn you should already know these things. Maybe you're just knee-jerk devils advocating without thinking it through.

[erooup]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Your reading into it things you want it to mean rather than the actual meaning.

bingo...

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Your reading into it things you want it to mean rather than the actual meaning.

No, I'm reading that sites that have stolen movies are going to get their domains taken.

Perhaps instead of me...it's you who are deliberately NOT reading what it says and why it's there.

Piracy on the internet is killing mainstream business...INCLUDING movies and music. They are going after the domains. It's pretty clear and in black and white.

They are also looking to shut off all revenue from them.

Not hard to understand. But if some of y'all want to pretend it's nothing, go ahead. You may be right. None of us can predict what the govt. will or won't do.

I just know that if I were Nathan/Fabian I'd start polishing up on my programmer skills because his "partners" aren't going to be needing his services as a board boy once pornhub is gone and he doesn't have any skills to run paysites.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Good point. Not sure if and how they will approach that. But I'm thinking the movie part of it has a lot to do with Hollywood movies being on torrent sites ahead of general release and hurting sales. That big commotion over the Wolverine movie for instance.

What was being "sold" were pre-paid ad spots. Money is changing hands one way or another and I think the laws are starting to catch up with what's going on.

If you notice they don't go after dvd released movies on torrents... It's the new releases that haven't been releases or are still in theaters. Those are DRM protected movies, recording them is a crime, uploading them is another crime - screw copyright infringement, people do go to jail for doing this.

If a person buys ads from a site doing the above, they are assisting in criminal activity and both parties will be put in jail, fined, etc - and sites taken down.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

this bill wont effect any porn site in any way. it's clear when you read the bill.

It is one more step. That is what matters. Sooner or later there will be enough steps to put a foot in someones ass.

Why do you people HATE on every step in the right direction? I'm starting to wonder about a LOT of you.

Originally Posted by Agent 488

if the registrar is in the US, yes. but,

"If the registry is located outside the United States, the U.S. Attorney General could go after the website by requiring U.S.-based Internet service providers, payment processors and advertising networks to stop doing business with it."

so as i said, it is just going to push the above deeper offshore.

Clearly you underestimate the reach of the American swinging dick. To be blunt, they will do whatever the hell the want to do. We bomb the fuck out of non-aggressive nations and murder millions of innocent people every year. Not gonna give a rats ass about someone telling us we can't go after a domain name registered in Africa or the moon even. And yea, the USA owns the moon and space too. It's like that. BIG DICK RED WHITE AND BLUE PLAYA!

Originally Posted by BVF

shut your canadian scarf wearing metrosexual pansy ass up.

On another note, lets all start uploading videos with copy written MUSIC on the videos. While the video end may not do dick, Sony and all the other labels may come at them hard. Load it all anonymously, of course.

This egg will eventually crack. Just gotta find the right way to do it. Doesn't have to be fair, ethical or even legal, it just has to be done.

[Agent 488]

yeah it's going to fuck up the lives of some pirates. is it going to affect the manwin tubes in anyway? no. that's just how i see it.

Originally Posted by Robbie

No, I'm reading that sites that have stolen movies are going to get their domains taken.

Perhaps instead of me...it's you who are deliberately NOT reading what it says and why it's there.

Piracy on the internet is killing mainstream business...INCLUDING movies and music. They are going after the domains. It's pretty clear and in black and white.

They are also looking to shut off all revenue from them.

Not hard to understand. But if some of y'all want to pretend it's nothing, go ahead. You may be right. None of us can predict what the govt. will or won't do.

I just know that if I were Nathan/Fabian I'd start polishing up on my programmer skills because his "partners" aren't going to be needing his services as a board boy once pornhub is gone and he doesn't have any skills to run paysites.