Why the US is going to invade iran.

[kazbalah]

This is what i heard, i cant say im right or wrong.

The reason the US invaded iraq, was becuase saddam hussein was going to sell his oil in euroes.

One of the reasons why america is so rich, is becuase to purchase oil from ANY country, it needs to be bought in US funds.

This is what keeps the US economy so powerful - the demand for the US dollar.

Now if saddam sold his oil in euros, this would be a big loss for america. All the other arab nations would follow suit.

Then if americas money goes down, so does the other part of american power - the military.

Curently america spends an estimated 480 BILLION per year on its army. (This is BESIDES known black budgets)

I might add the second nation behind them is either china or japan - spending 20 billion - no where even close. America actually spends as much on its military as ALL other nations combined.

Point is the USA will crumble if the oil is sold in EUROS.

Not only because they do not make money from every transaction - but to pay for oil in euros will be very expensive for the us.

Ive heard figures the US uses around 400 million gallons of oil PER DAY.

Imagine just a 5% increase on price. Now how about a 50% increase?


So... That being said - The iranian president is currently looking at setting up an oil exchange in iran, and is going to invite ALL the arab countries to sell oil in euros.

So basically all the oil in the world is going to be sold through iran, in euros.

What do you think america will do? Sit on its ass?

No they are going to invade iran, probably in the next 5 years.

And btw - dont think iran is going to be like iraq. Iran has double the population and land size.

But worst of all - iran has been recruiting suicide soldiers - they actually went out on the street asking everyone - and have signed up over 100,000 people who say they will do suicide attacks if the US invades.

100 fucking thousand.

What do ya think fellas?

Has anyone heard about this oil thing? I am led to believe that is the real reason iraq was invaded - and i would think if iran does this oil exchange, they will be next.

[Agent 488]

america has been just about to invade iran for the last decade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninetee...ical_geography

[kazbalah]

lol well thats true

I just heard about this oil exchange thing and started thinking..

[kazbalah]

Here is another interesting fact, something i only learned in the last 6 months.

Do you know, the UK and the US have been fighting for the oil in iraq and the other middle eastern countries since 1920.

19 fucking 20.

Here is a documentary about it:
http://docsvideos.wordpress.com/2010...alism-in-iraq/

In the video they quote one of the US/UK leaders:

Question? So how much oil should we control?
Answer: Not anything less then 100%

[charlie g]

You do realize that Iran is a gnat and US an elephant? Iran is not like Afghanistan where there's not much shit to fuck up, and once enough is enough, the pet pitbull in isreal will be unleashed. Not a good time to be iranian.

[kazbalah]

Yes i believe the US COULD beat iran.

See the problem is tho, the american public doesnt have the stomach for it.

Look at Vietnam - Thats why the US lost there, they couldnt handle the losses and the public complained too much.

Not only that - do you really think iran doesnt have sleeper cells in the US?

I bet they got fuckin hundreds of em, just waiting.

Its not going to be easy like Iraq or Afghanistan.

Problem with isreal too - Iran can hit them with missles, its basicly like the north korea case.

The only thing stopping the US is the fact if they go to war, some poor country is gonna get bombed instead of them - Israel being the victim in this case.

[cardinalvices]

Most oil sources will drain by 2030. Whats next?

[kazbalah]

Water

[kazbalah]

If only we can fuel cars with internet porn... we certainly aint running outta that :P

[ContentPimp]

So who is next after iran gets us owned?

[kazbalah]

How do you mean tinafaye?

[dazzling]

Actually most of the statistics you have stated are wrong. Especially on military budgets. Things are also not that simple. The real American military budget is in the area of around 1 trillion usd. Lets say look at the budget of say Iran at currently 25 billion usd. On paper sounds a big difference. But if we look closer its not that simple. It costs around 25 times more to employ one american soldier then one iranian soldier, so in those terms alone america needs a defense budget that has to be 25 times higher then Irans to start just to match the wage bill.
Second, Iran has no nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, so none of its defence budget is being wasted in that area. But America has to spend the vast portion of its defence budget in these area.
Third, Iran maintains no bases outside the country, but America once again spends vast amounts of its defence budget on maintaining overseas bases.
Four, Iran is not at war with anyone. The United States is at war with 2 other countries which take up even more of its defence budget.
So in effect there is not a lot of money left in the American defence budget for anything, let alone another war.
This is why America was forced to beg around to bring in partners on the develpment of the f35, which their own defence dept states is a far lag behind the Russian fa-pak50. So in effect we now see Russia for the first time gaining total air superiority over America.
America can never attack Iran because it simply cant win.
Iran would close down the oil straits that ship 40 percent of the worlds oil in a matter of hours with no way for them to be re-opened. This would collapse the world economy.
Iran runs Subs that carry ram jet missiles capable of taking out aircraft carriers.
Iran is capable of launching 30,000 missiles an hour at American bases in the surrounding region which would mean an American military base would be taken out of action in around 6 minutes flat.
Iran posses tor air defence systems from russia, and claims to both posses and developed s300, making any air attack on iran a suicide mission.
Iran is not some backwater like Iraq or Afghanistan. Talk of an attack is nothing more then psych warfare that will never happen. Put simply, America does not have the ability to launch any sort of war with Iran.

[dazzling]

Actually most of the statistics you have stated are wrong. Especially on military budgets. Things are also not that simple. The real American military budget is in the area of around 1 trillion usd. Lets say look at the budget of say Iran at currently 25 billion usd. On paper sounds a big difference. But if we look closer its not that simple. It costs around 25 more to employ one americam soldier then one iranian soldier, so in those terms alone america needs a defense budget that has to be 25 times higher then Irans to start just to match the wage bill.
Second, Iran has no nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, so none of its defence budget is being wasted in that area. But America has to spend the vast portion of its defence budget in these area.
Third, Iran maintains no bases outside the country, but America once again spends vast amounts of its defence budget on maintaining overseas bases.
Four, Iran is not at war with anyone. The United States is at war with 2 other countries which take up even more of its defence budget.
So in effect there is not a lot of money left in the American defence budget for anything, let alone another war.
This is why America was forced to beg around to bring in partners on the develpment of the f35, which their own defence dept states is a far lag behind the Russian fa-pak50. So in effect we now see Russia for the first time gaining total air superiority over America.
America can never attack Iran because it simply cant win.
Iran would close down the oil straits that ship 40 percent of the worlds oil in a matter of hours with no way for them to be re-opened. This in effect would collapse the world economy.
Iran runs Subs that carry ram jet missiles capable of taking out aircraft carriers.
Iran is capable of launching 30,000 missiles an hour at American bases in the surrounding region which would mean an American military base would be taken out of action in around 6 minutes flat.
Iran posses tor air defence systems from russia, and claims to both posses and developed s300, making any air attack on iran a suicide mission.
Iran is not some backwater like Iraq or Afghanistan. Talk of an attack is nothing more then psych warfare that will never happen. Put simply, America does not have the ability to launch any sort of war with Iran.

[kazbalah]

Well some very interesting points dazzling. Especially about the cost of employing soldiers, tis a very good point.

And yes i agree with you, iran isnt like iraq or afganistan.

The amounts i spoke off are just figured off the top of my head - although i am sure i am close on those numbers - the general idea behind the big gap anyway.

[kazbalah]

To be honest tho - i dont think america has a choice about attacking iran.

They are building nukes - what should they do, wait until one of them hits the US - and THEN attack?

Let them build up as much as they can, and THEN attack?

Sounds like a great idea..

[kazbalah]

Btw thier is evidence of iran supplying such missles to the iraqi fighters - if they have nukes, whats to stop them giving them out to extremist groups?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by kazbalah

Why the US is going to invade iran.

Iraq -> Oil
Iran -> Natural Gas

The USA is a blunt militaristic invader. So I think it's a good enough argument to beat all the others.

[kazbalah]

Hmm thats an interesting point - the natural gas in iran.

China is currently buying it all - i wonder what the chinese would think of US invaded iran..

[charlie g]

Originally Posted by dazzling

Actually most of the statistics you have stated are wrong. Especially on military budgets. Things are also not that simple. The real American military budget is in the area of around 1 trillion usd. Lets say look at the budget of say Iran at currently 25 billion usd. On paper sounds a big difference. But if we look closer its not that simple. It costs around 25 more to employ one americam soldier then one iranian soldier, so in those terms alone america needs a defense budget that has to be 25 times higher then Irans to start just to match the wage bill.
Second, Iran has no nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, so none of its defence budget is being wasted in that area. But America has to spend the vast portion of its defence budget in these area.
Third, Iran maintains no bases outside the country, but America once again spends vast amounts of its defence budget on maintaining overseas bases.
Four, Iran is not at war with anyone. The United States is at war with 2 other countries which take up even more of its defence budget.
So in effect there is not a lot of money left in the American defence budget for anything, let alone another war.
This is why America was forced to beg around to bring in partners on the develpment of the f35, which their own defence dept states is a far lag behind the Russian fa-pak50. So in effect we now see Russia for the first time gaining total air superiority over America.
America can never attack Iran because it simply cant win.
Iran would close down the oil straits that ship 40 percent of the worlds oil in a matter of hours with no way for them to be re-opened. This in effect would collapse the world economy.
Iran runs Subs that carry ram jet missiles capable of taking out aircraft carriers.
Iran is capable of launching 30,000 missiles an hour at American bases in the surrounding region which would mean an American military base would be taken out of action in around 6 minutes flat.
Iran posses tor air defence systems from russia, and claims to both posses and developed s300, making any air attack on iran a suicide mission.
Iran is not some backwater like Iraq or Afghanistan. Talk of an attack is nothing more then psych warfare that will never happen. Put simply, America does not have the ability to launch any sort of war with Iran.

Not much of what you have stated is true. Iran is as much of a fortress as Iraq was in '91 when we were warned of scud missiles and republican guards. Israel has enough fire power to cripple Tehran for months in a few short days. Iran is no Iraq or Afghanistan, but it sure as hell not a superpower. Your grave warnings are comical in a way.

[iggysick]

US will do what Israel told them to do. Period.
Look at the Iraq.

[slavdogg]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

Iraq -> Oil
Iran -> Natural Gas

The USA is a blunt militaristic invader. So I think it's a good enough argument to beat all the others.

US is not going to war for natural gas man,
There is enough natural gas is much closer locations including the US itself.
Iran has the 4th largest oil reserves in the world. More than twice as much as russia.

not saying Iran is all about oil. However Iran needs to be taken out, regime change needs to happen there. Iranian people dont give a shit about their gov and would welcome this change.

[kazbalah]

Yea iran couldnt stop the US invading, especially with the support of isreal.

But its going to be a VERY bloody war.

[iggysick]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

not saying Iran is all about oil. However Iran needs to be taken out, regime change needs to happen there. Iranian people dont give a shit about their gov and would welcome this change.

North Korea. Nuff said.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by slavdogg

people dont give a shit about their gov and would welcome this change.

said Hitler when Germany invaded < put the invaded country name here > during WWII.

I bet that Iranians do believe that the US people don't give a shit about their gov and would welcome any changes.

[kazbalah]

Nah north korea is alright - good peoples, good peoples.

Kim jong ill or whateva his name is, is cool

[kazbalah]

I think alot of iranians would welcome a change - although lots wouldnt too.

Probably all the young ones - they must see what its like in the west on TV n shit..

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by iggysick

North Korea. Nuff said.

The USA will never invade North Korea because they scared of its army. If you remember, the States already tried to fight against Korea, and they got their asses beaten.

I don't think that glamor US boys will be happy to die for no reason in some country far away from their sweet home and lovely pussy from a next door.

But THESE guys are 100% ready to die for their country:



So there will never be such a thing as the USA vs North Korea war. Pergaps the NK regime will be changed from inside but never from outside.

P.S. I don't know a single case when the USA were dare to fight against any serious army. This is even includes WWII, because the 2nd battlefront was open ONLY when everyone already knew the German Army was retreating and doomed (sooner or later).

[Kiopa_Matt]

The only chance the US has at winning a war with Iran is by using nukes.

In other words, don't worry about it. The US isn't invading Iran anytime soon.

[kazbalah]

I think why US wont attack north korea is becuase of south korea.

South korea is basicly little america. The north can nuke it in minutes - and thats what they will probably do if attacked.

[kazbalah]

Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt

The only chance the US has at winning a war with Iran is by using nukes.

In other words, don't worry about it. The US isn't invading Iran anytime soon.

Are you forgetting about rambo? Rambo can get the job done, by himself

[wehateporn]

They'll go for Iran's throat when the time is right, currently they are working on public opinion using the media and planned 'events' to turn us against muslims. They are always trying to pay for staged protests in Iran whilst they've got the cameras ready, to make it look like we're going in to save them.

When it does happen, it will be nasty!

[kazbalah]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

They'll go for Iran's throat when the time is right, currently they are working on public opinion using the media and planned 'events' to turn us against muslims. They are always trying to pay for staged protests in Iran whilst they've got the cameras ready, to make it look like we're going in to save them.

When it does happen, it will be nasty!

Yea good call, thats what i think is going on.

[charlie g]

The plain fact is no one wants to stop business as usual. The Russians and Chinese will posture but at the end of the day everyone is happy with the status quo. Of course these countries are selling arms to Iran for the moolah... I am sure some us defense companies have found a way to circumvent restrictions. But make no mistake, Iran's defenses would be cracked in a day or two like an old coconut when the Israelis(US) attack. Iran is pretty much isolated at this point and the government is too stupid to play the great hand it has been dealt.

The sad thing is many innocent people will get hurt so the fat can get fatter and the rest of us can only scratch our heads and wonder why.

[kazbalah]

I think alot of people under estimate iran, and over estimate US.

Not to be rude, but how many wars has the US won?

1812 war VS canada - they lost.

Vietnam - They lost to a bunch of rice farmers with sticks.

World war 2 - They were losing too japan, until the US nuked them and killed 100,000 civilians.

Iraq - Well lets wait and see on this one.

Im not trying to pick on america - i think mostly its a good country with good people.

But i think alot of people are underestimating iran here..

Of course they cant WIN - but can the US handle such losses?

[kazbalah]

How many wars has america fought and how many has it won without forign help?

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...7130311AAk6QFF

1/8 - not a very good track record

[kazbalah]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

But THESE guys are 100% ready to die for their country:

Fuck see the kick at :13 sec mark - how quick was that you couldnt even see it.

[webairalex]

Guys Iran are the Persians, you think the Persians are going down easily? Does anyone know the history with these people they are more resilient than cockroaches

[kazbalah]

I believe iran is actually the worlds oldest civilization isnt it?

Maybe im wrong but some of their cities are over 5000 years old?