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Old 03-06-2011, 11:36 AM   #401
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INT. SUBTERRANEAN CAVE - NIGHT

Paul is writing in the notebook by the light of a single candle. He has to finish this one QUICK because his dungeon gimp is about to make another trip to the "surface" tonight - during this trip he will transcribe Paul's ramblings into (these) posts on gfy at the farmer's cell block. The farmer (who farms people) has the only internet-connected computer within a 30-mile radius.

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No. I cannot have some unknown person in on the shoot or even behind the scenes. Shooting solo girl is all about the relationship between the shooter and the model. Having you or even Eva in there changes the dynamics. In all honesty do I care if people believe if I shot it? Not in the slightest. It's what I know that counts. I'm doing this for my benefit and the $3,000. Not to prove to trolls on GFY anything.

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Shut up Paul. Don't make excuses AGAIN. I am a professional documentarian, among other things. Check out this documentary I did a few years back on good ole Nick Manning!:
http://vimeo.com/3682489
I'll be a fly on the wall, Paul... there to document you giving it your all!
I will not affect your relationship with the model. Not in the least.
I am currently working on a new industry documentary and if you don't want to be a part of it you are missing out.

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SHIT! I don't have any candles left!
FINALLY Paul, if you don't consider my offer seriously, I will lose the little respect I have for you forever.

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Old 03-06-2011, 11:42 AM   #402
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So the site only shows 2 scenes, 1 more must be coming soon then. So you wanted me to do 3 scenes instead of 1 from the very beginning. You just wanted to pay me for 1.

Can you explain the bad stills shooting?

They are pretty poor, for the reasons I stated and why does Mofos put up low quality content?

For 3 scenes set and video it requires a full day to do it properly. Getting the lights set up (stills and video), balancing, hi liting, checking, etc. Then shooting the set and then the video. Getting 15 different poses frames right can't be done for this style in 30 minutes.

Then moving everything, giving the model a break, taking a break for the shooter, resetting lights, M/U, dressing and away we go again.

It's a days work. If you rush it, the risk is it gets fucked, like with the lighting in the GG. The same pose gets shot over and over again, the video is framed badly, the girl faking it.
Uhm.. we are in 2011.. nobody gives a rats ass about photos, those are just there to be able to have an idea what the scene will be about before watching it, since some people like to look at that before watching the scene... we are not a magazine.. we do not need 25 PERFECT pictures or else our customers run away to the next one...

Get with the times...

It's what people want... it's what people also like... nowadays at least, for the type of network that Mofos is.

I am having you shoot since I want to see the BENEFIT of having something _YOU_ claim is superior... if your scene becomes the best rated on Mofos or SAF, if your scene gets great comments, then there is a reason to think about changing some of the style.. but right now, this is the style our customers, and we have a TON of those, like...

But unless OUR customers say your content is what they WANT, there is no reason to change anything, thus I am paying you $3000, since only then it is worth it. I am giving you the chance to prove what you keep claiming over and over again... we'll see if its true or not...

And as I said, SAF, the only solo girl site we have, is shot in a special way, and the rates we pay are different... if you do good, and want another go at a full Brazzers scene, we pick the girl, we give you the script, and we'll pay you quite a bit more than $3000 for it too... but its one video, it will have multiple sets most likely... 40 minutes end-result...

But I will not start with a Brazzers scene since its a waste of resources to give it to you just to fail... so the SAF is a test, we'll see if you want to do another one afterwards.

BTW, your remarks about how I should be able to create a password for you in 15 minutes, and all that shit... you STILL do not grasp our size, do you? Not everything here revolves about you wanting a password... ;) Also, same goes for the contract, our in-house legal department had more important things to take care about last week, you will get a contract from me as soon as its done...
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:43 AM   #403
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FINALLY Paul, if you don't consider my offer seriously, I will lose the little respect I have for you forever.
Does Paul even know who in the fuck you are? Why should he allow some board dude named ReggieDurango who has been clowning him to come with a camera into his home or place of business?
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:45 AM   #404
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I think this Mofos solo site is mediocre, Brazzers does great vignette story hardcore movies - waste of time this site. She's A Freak is Bangbros/RK territory - they know how to shoot that.
I agree with you, the site could be a lot better... We have to continue to try new stuff though, can't let my guys not explore what they can and can not do... it's getting ok feedback from the mofos customers....
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our in-house legal department had more important things to take care about last week, you will get a contract from me as soon as its done...
You guys seem very busy and must be..
A day or two since you just launched Wicked Pictures' site(s)? Congratulations Fabian! I've already sent my first join! Question: what is your personal opinion on how the condom content will affect retention?
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Why should he allow some board dude named ReggieDurango who has been clowning him to come with a camera into his home or place of business?
I've been clowning HIM!?! HE'S been clowning EVERYONE!

He should allow me to his place of business because my sample documentary clip proves I'm a professional, and I'm good at making documentaries. Did you watch it, BVF? Or did you make your comments, as SO many others do, before even watching what we're talking about?

http://vimeo.com/3682489
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You guys seem very busy and must be..
A day or two since you just launched Wicked Pictures' site(s)? Congratulations Fabian! I've already sent my first join! Question: what is your personal opinion on how the condom content will affect retention?
This honestly is something I am very curious in, considering all the condom discussions out there.

We'll see if there is any difference to our other sites...
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...however, I will admit that the rock music at the beginning might not be the right choice. I did not choose it.
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This honestly is something I am very curious in, considering all the condom discussions out there.

We'll see if there is any difference to our other sites...
...interesting...

I, as a user, find it harder to wank to porn with condoms on the dudes' wangs during the banging - but, I still CAN wank to it and I like the Wicked content otherwise.

I would urge Wicked to make more of a "production" of the act of putting the condom on. It always seems to cut from BJ to the guy magically has the condom on and they initiate intercourse! Why not have the girls roll the condoms on to the dude's dicks with their mouths? Or with their hands, while talking sexually to him?
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Paul, with all due respect the internet has been great in letting all styles and niches of shooting have an outlet, not just your style.

A large part of the downsizing of this business is cause the other day I discovered a new porn starlet and googled her name. #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 and beyond in the pages of google results were almost ALL torrents, crapisdahre, filestube links, megauload, etc....no paysites!
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Paul, with all due respect the internet has been great in letting all styles and niches of shooting have an outlet, not just your style.

A large part of the downsizing of this business is cause the other day I discovered a new porn starlet and googled her name. #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 and beyond in the pages of google results were almost ALL torrents, crapisdahre, filestube links, megauload, etc....no paysites!
a little off-topic now but this is because paysites aren't doing SEO. tubes and torrents have natural SEO. they have lots of traffic and links. i doubt Google would give more weight to a torrent if it didnt meet the algorithm. i've spent a lot of time moving paysite model profile pages from google page 20+ to page 1. i use a link box, landing pages, fhgs, ppc ads right to the model profile, and even manual link trades for that model.

getting on page 1 of google for a model can be done but paysite owners are ALWAYS more worried about their content. just look at Paul. this is a long thread worried about content - a small part of the paysite success formula. your post is the first one worried about actual marketing.
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AND PAUL! With all your health problems, I'm sure you'll be the first to admit you are not going to live forever!

Why wouldn't you want as MUCH quality media of you recorded as possible before you die? You can leave a better legacy to the world than this garbage you write here. The REAL Paul!
You can come to the shoot, shoot the BTS outside the real shoot.

ASSUMING I approve you when you arrive here. Nice documentary.

If you want to shoot me shooting we can do it after I shoot this scene. It's very important to me that I show myself what I can still do and having you shooting a documentary of me shooting is going to effect me and the model. Good or bad it will effect both of us.

If you have a problem like so many with me actually shooting it we can put a camera on a tripod and record the shoot that way.

In my mind I have already proved to myself that I can shoot better sets than the MOFOS sets. Even with the best girls, best equipment, great location, etc. These guys are unable today to get it right. Out of the outdoor set of 176 frames, I removed 106 frames for poor posing, repeated shots, half closed eyes and just plain bad shots. The shooter has missed a lot of poses that would of been easy and this has limited the number of frames an editor can choose from.

So even with everything in place and shooting the easiest niche, solo, this guy is unable to do it. Today. As for no one caring. What a bullshit excuse. A good shooter cares. As it shows his ability. If no one cares, why put them in the site, why ask the shooter to do a set, because putting i ncrap sets like that can only turn off the members. Who do care.

Any shooter in LA who can't find fresh girls for solo teen shoots isn't very bright.

But finding BS excuses is a thing this industry is good at.
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Paul, with all due respect the internet has been great in letting all styles and niches of shooting have an outlet, not just your style.

A large part of the downsizing of this business is cause the other day I discovered a new porn starlet and googled her name. #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 and beyond in the pages of google results were almost ALL torrents, crapisdahre, filestube links, megauload, etc....no paysites!
Agreed. But that doesn't explain why those niches have to be shot so badly. Except sites not being able to afford to pay for good content. Not an excuse Manwin can use.

Also this level of piracy is very recent and shows the level of harm giving content away for free can do. Be it pirated or to pick up a sale of 1-1,000. And that's the number of views a TGP would often get to make a sale. Not using banner clicks, showing the vast numbers of surfers who never even bothered to click a link. But looked at the free stuff enough to make the gallery a loss maker on BW costs.
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I fully realise that many working on the Adult Internet today will refuse to admit I've shot anything better than the people shooting today. Because to admit that means they will have to admit that the shooters or content today aren't good enough. And that a guy sitting on his ass in Czech is better than those filling sites.

The golf set has the model in 2 basic poses, with variations. Standing and sitting. Not even squatting. That alone shows a fundamental lack of skills, of the shooter or the people directing the shooter or the people buying the content. Or all of them. Today or 5 years ago this set would never sell in a better market.

These sets give some idea of what is required for a set to sell to a higher paying market.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=800

http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=1767

http://www.paulmarkham.com/details.php?id=1391

However Fabian says it doesn't matter today to get content inside his sites.

So Fabian can I shoot a set of 75 frames, of 2 positions, and shoot each frame 4 times to reach the level of Mofos sets?

I'm trying to work out why you want me to shoot 300 and 30 minutes of video in one scene. When your shooters don't do that. The video of the golf scene is 15 minutes 18 seconds long.

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You can come to the shoot, shoot the BTS outside the real shoot.

ASSUMING I approve you when you arrive here. Nice documentary.
Excellent Paul! I knew you could be reasonable...
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So I just spent the last hour watching the video that goes with the golf and sofa sets of this girl Skye Daniels.

Over all very average. No where near quality porn ad clearly not shot or edited by an experienced team. The mistakes are clear and with the model being so fake not helping the over all product.

Here is my appraisal and some advice to Fabian and anyone else.

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The shooter is shooting into the sun which is putting flare into his lens. The shooter is shooting into the sun which is putting flare into his lens. Always think of the sun when shooting outdoors, into the sun is going to give the shooter problems and lead to heavy shadows. With the sun behind the model it will give her problems.


He's working on auto focus or not focusing properly and often getting the girl out of focus. The palm tree behind her is in better focus that she is. Turn off auto focus.

He's working with an on camera mike which is picking up his hand sounds as he moves them on the camera, also allows a lot of background noise in the sound and blocks out the sound of the girl. Evan have the sound of planes landing nearby. Work with a mike on a boom on a over head stand or with a sound operator holding the boom.

His framing is sloppy. Nothing can be done about this. If shooters edit their own work they soon learn their mistakes. If it goes off unedited they can't.

The editor hasn't bothered to remove the clicks coming from her putting down the golf club or the shooter knocking the camera. Very off putting. Just sloppy editing and the bosses need to kick ass. It's off putting to the viewer trying to jerk off.

A lot of the time she was climaxing and all the viewer saw was her pussy, with her hand over it holding a golf ball inside her pussy. Better to have got her face in the shot and hand movement. Again something that can only be learned by editing and experience.

On her second climax she was throwing her head back which was putting her face out of the frame. Again something that can only be learned by editing and experience.

By having an on camera mike when he moved closer she got louder, when he moved away she got quieter. Use an off camera mike.

Often when she spoke he was shooting elsewhere. Was it her talking live or dubbed in afterwards? If the girl talks to the viewer, let him see her. Tell te girl to talk to the shooter. He HAS to build a rapport with her prior to shooting the video, this is why we have closed sets, so she's more natural. So long as she talks to him while looking at the lens it works very well.

INDOOR SCENE

Don't shoot live sound in a location near an airport unless you have a sound crew to eliminate the noise of planes. Can even here a prop plane in the back ground on the indoors scene. Again something that can only be learned by editing and experience. I made the mistake of shooting a lesbian scene outdoors once and there were builders next door. Learned never to do that again.

The on camera mike is now giving even worse sound, I can hear the shooter. Again something that can only be learned by editing and experience.

She just stood on the hard wooden floor with her stilettos and the noise made me jump. Bad editing post the shoot. Sloppy editing is a better phrase. Very unprofessional.

I'm sure I can hear people talking in the background. There seems to be an air conditioner working but behind that noise is talking.

There's way too much of her genitalia in this scene. Some pussy, ass, tit close ups are good. This scene has far too much. Again something that can only be learned by editing and experience.

I can now here a power saw in the back ground.

Now the girl is starting to look off camera, probably looking at the clock and thinking of how much longer to go. Was there someone to the left of the shooter giving her instructions?

Some of the framing is with the girl laying straight into the camera, so not filling the wide screen frame. Would of been better if she had laid long ways on the sofa. Again something that can only be learned by editing and experience.

Tell shooters to wipe the excess lube off the pussy and ass right after the girl applies it, or film her applying it. Again something that can only be learned by editing and experience.

Use vibrators with more sound. At first I thought it was more back ground noise, then realised it was the vibrator. To eliminate the problem film the girl turning on the vibrator. Again something that can only be learned by editing and experience.

Again she bangs on the floor in her high heels, does your editing suite have the sound editing feature? More sloppy editing.

Around 29 minutes there was a sound that could of been the girl farting. Probably her moving on the sofa, but annoying and took my concentration away.

30 minutes we have the sound of a door opening and closing. And people moving around in the back ground or is it the cameraman? Amateurish.

The climax with the Pifco Magic Wand is by far the high lite of the scene. And the shooter is concentrating on her pussy. WTF? Again something that can only be learned by editing and experience.

And the sound of her climax just hurt my ears. Should not of listened to this with my head phones on. But with it playing through the speakers the neighbors might be wondering what Eva and I are up to. LOL Over head mike would eliminate this and give a uniform sound.

The last part is dubbed, as she started talking the camera was shooting her boobs. Then moved up her body and before she finished talking it was clear she wasn't talking live. But I doubt if the members would spot that. But not quality work.

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Over all I suspect it was shot with a less than experienced shooter whose working on a budget that doesn't allow him to have things like over head mikes. There's simply no excuse for the poor sound editing. Just plain sloppy.

Is it good? No.

Is it good for this part of the industry? Sadly yes.

Can I shoot better? I wouldn't of lasted 30 years shooting like this. But in 30 years you learn to shoot a lot better as the years went by. This is how we all start out. Making simple mistakes, seeing them when we edit and making sure we improve.

The big question is.

CAN ANYONE SHOOT BETTER FOR $700 A SET AND VIDEO OUTRIGHT ONE SALE?
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Excellent Paul! I knew you could be reasonable...
Hit me up on ICQ or Skype so we can chat about it.

Done a few things like this, no problems so long as the model and I can wear the T Shirt of the website.

It's just that the relationship between a model and shooter on solo girl often determines whether the shoot works or not.

As you see from my appraisal of the scene I just saw.
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Can you please stop with the damn 700 USD?! We are paying 2000 for the day itself... to CONTRACT SHOOTERS...

Thx for the review.
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Can you please stop with the damn 700 USD?! We are paying 2000 for the day itself... to CONTRACT SHOOTERS...

Thx for the review.
thats what i thought, you pay per day rather than per scene. . .
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Hit me up on ICQ or Skype so we can chat about it.

Done a few things like this, no problems so long as the model and I can wear the T Shirt of the website.

It's just that the relationship between a model and shooter on solo girl often determines whether the shoot works or not.

As you see from my appraisal of the scene I just saw.
This all sounds fine to me but I'm a little confused about the t-shirts... of which website, exactly, will you and the model be wearing t-shirts?
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Can you please stop with the damn 700 USD?! We are paying 2000 for the day itself... to CONTRACT SHOOTERS...

Thx for the review.
And how many scenes do you want for $2,000?

And do you expect the shooter to pay all costs of the shoot out of the $2,000?

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For a shooter to improve it's essential he edits his own work. Dropping the entire shoot into a Fed Ex package teaches him nothing. Accepting sloppy work teaches him sloppy work is acceptable.

I was very lucky that from very early on Magazine Editors saw I had a talent of some sort and were willing to help me. They laid out magazines and showed me the spread of shots they required, told me about the different poses and how to shoot a set in a progression. To give them the best possible chance of buying it.

They also showed me the amateur work submitted and pointed out the problems with using it. Problems I see in the sets on Mofos.

I learned not to shoot a girl hiding her pussy while doing a "Pink", not to shoot shot after shot of the same picture. To move the model around, not to shoot into or in front of the sun. And developed my out of date style.

Editing my videos I learned to make sure the model didn't make big clattering noises, to get the mike off the camera, to capture the girls face when she talks or climaxes. And not to reduce a porn scene down to a genitalia movie.

I made all the mistakes possible. By editing my own work I was able to spot them and not make them again.

Manwin's shooters don't have that, in fact I doubt if they get any feedback at all from the editors. They just churn out cheap work, cheap to my thinking, so at the end of the week they have a fair income.

Does this matter?

Well only a fool would say not. It matters with retention and even conversion. Which hurts everyone involved incomes.

By producing content without these basic mistakes the member is more likely to stay a little longer, more likely to rejoin when he see new content promoting the site, more likely to return to the site for another session of membership. Less likely to cancel and never return.

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This all sounds fine to me but I'm a little confused about the t-shirts... of which website, exactly, will you and the model be wearing t-shirts?
A Paul Markham Teens T Shirt.



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Old 03-07-2011, 10:32 AM   #423
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Paul that was an excellent review.

And I have to say...that everything you are saying are things I've been thinking about for my own work. I've done a lot just off of creativity, Claudia-Marie's "it" factor, and some really good gear.

But reality is, I'm a one man work force during a shoot. And I tend to let the technical aspect suffer some during a shoot.

I think I'm real good at framing up a shot and getting exactly what her fans want to see. But a lot of times when filming video I get caught up in the moment of the action and do stupid little shit like accidentally getting light stands in the video. lol

I do use a compressor/limiter in editing to get rid of the volume changes that you described in your review of Brazzers shit.

But I have been thinking about the overhead boom mic for a while now. I already use an overhead third light bank anyway on a giant boom, and I think I'm gonna simply attach a mic coming down from that. As you said...it kinda sucks to have hand movement sounds on the camera.

I'm not sure if any of it is going to make a great deal of difference in actual sales. But I do know that it's gonna make a difference in my own professional pride in what I do.

As I said earlier...I don't agree with your assessment of the adult industry. But I do enjoy reading what you're saying about actual shooting.

And why you even bother with Fabian is beyond me. Take "his" money if you want. I wouldn't give him the time of day.
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And why you even bother with Fabian is beyond me. Take "his" money if you want. I wouldn't give him the time of day.
Why wouldn't you give him the time of day, Robbie? Why why WHY not??? I realize I'm being melodramatic... But I LOVE melodrama!

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Why wouldn't you give him the time of day, Robbie? Why why WHY not??? I realize I'm being melodramatic... But I LOVE melodrama!
I'll leave that to you to figure out RD. You seem to have so much interest in this thread. It doesn't take but a few seconds to figure out why Manwin's group of tube sites full of everybody else's stolen content would piss people off.

And then a quick check around and you find out what Fabian has done in his life...or I should say lack of things he's done in the actual porn business (and his complete lack of any creative skills and his zero experience in pretty much every aspect of this business...except for programming the first version of NATS software)...and then I think you'll understand why I personally don't care about the guy one way or another.

I think I've already made that pretty clear. I save my respect for my peers. Fabian was a failed webmaster after he left TMM with a failed tiny affiliate program. Then suddenly, out of the blue...he's one of a handful of "managing partners" of the newly dubbed "Manwin".

I have no problem with a guy doing well for himself by being slick enough to talk some people with money into opening a door for him. Sure he is the guy who has the job of taking heat. And believe me...he's taking it.

But for this guy to get off on a power trip and suddenly start lecturing to his betters? Ridiculous. All the money in the world won't buy him a creative bone in his body, and it won't buy him a clue either.

He is beneath me. And WAY beneath guys like Paul, Jim Gunn, and Just Dave. And the business tactics that the tube side of his company engage in are part of the problem that has caused guys like Paul, Jim, and Dave to actually approach this guy for work. I don't fault them for that. But me? I don't need his shit. And as I said...I wouldn't give him the time of day.
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Paul that was an excellent review.

And I have to say...that everything you are saying are things I've been thinking about for my own work. I've done a lot just off of creativity, Claudia-Marie's "it" factor, and some really good gear.

But reality is, I'm a one man work force during a shoot. And I tend to let the technical aspect suffer some during a shoot.

I think I'm real good at framing up a shot and getting exactly what her fans want to see. But a lot of times when filming video I get caught up in the moment of the action and do stupid little shit like accidentally getting light stands in the video. lol

I do use a compressor/limiter in editing to get rid of the volume changes that you described in your review of Brazzers shit.

But I have been thinking about the overhead boom mic for a while now. I already use an overhead third light bank anyway on a giant boom, and I think I'm gonna simply attach a mic coming down from that. As you said...it kinda sucks to have hand movement sounds on the camera.

I'm not sure if any of it is going to make a great deal of difference in actual sales. But I do know that it's gonna make a difference in my own professional pride in what I do.

As I said earlier...I don't agree with your assessment of the adult industry. But I do enjoy reading what you're saying about actual shooting.

And why you even bother with Fabian is beyond me. Take "his" money if you want. I wouldn't give him the time of day.
IMO for you shooting your partner and your niche the connection between you and Marie is the most important thing.

Taking the mike off camera stops any camera noises or even your heavy breathing.

Both can put off the viewers pleasure of the scene unless you're shooting Gonzo and part of the scene.

Your site's appeal relies mostly on Marie and how you capture her. This is the same as all solo girl personality sites. If you can capture her better then it's got to help.

For sites like Manwins it's essential. Otherwise it's just another wall to wall of boring content porn site. That anyone can put up and the members know this and will soon be off to see someone else's version of the same porn style. Including some bad mistakes is going to shorten the membership length.

There the member is, lube in one hand, cock in the other, head phones on to enjoy every sound. And his ears get blown off by her clacking on the floor. Fabian buy your shooter a little mat or tell your editors to fucking learn how to edit.

Or a sound coming across that sounds like a fart. Or she talks to him, while the shooter is shooting her pussy. Or he gets to see her in 1/3 of his screen and in the rest the room. Or the sun hits his lens, or a plane flies over or a chain saw starts up next door. All going to hurt retention.

As for my assessment of the porn industry. This is a given.We couldn't get away with elementary mistakes like that in the past. Today it's made in sites some think represent good porn.

Is the Brazzers site any better? Not if these contract guys are shooting for it.

As for giving him the time of day. I would. To tell him what I think of him.

He's now paying me $3,000 to shoot a scene for me to show myself how much I've recovered.

The sad part of this is obviously I do have something to teach to his shooters and any other shooter who thinks this is good content. Will anyone contact me to help them improve their members area?



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He is beneath me. And WAY beneath guys like Paul, Jim Gunn, and Just Dave. And the business tactics that the tube side of his company engage in are part of the problem that has caused guys like Paul, Jim, and Dave to actually approach this guy for work. I don't fault them for that. But me? I don't need his shit. And as I said...I wouldn't give him the time of day.
Who said I approached him?

I made a bold offer that if anyone would pay me $3,000 for a set I would come back to shooting.

He picked up my gauntlet.

I've had trolls talking about my lack of respect for my new client.

My respect isn't for sale like my work is. It has to be earned and over and over again Fabian hasn't done that.

Still waiting for a contract and script. WTF is so hard about issuing a contract, it just needs the name changed at the top. He must think I need a totally new one if it's gone to the legal department. As for the script, maybe I should write one my self.
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Paul, I sent you a contract this morning, let me double check the adress I used.

I also explained to you multiple times, and you prefer to ignore it seems, that my guys have more important things to do than to get your contract ready.
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I love you too Robbie (and sadly he does not see this since he has me on ignore) BTW, I never claimed I have any creative bone, or if I did, I would be a designer or producer myself.. last time I checked, I am neither... for the rest of your rant, it's just hilarious to watch you get all upset about stuff you do not understand

Paul, I already give your reviews to the production team for creative criticism, although the way you write the reviews is more condescending than creative criticism.. but my team will survive...
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After all this I hope the model doesn't get her period the day of the shoot.
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paul you get the contract? We're a step closer!!

to be fair fabian did say lots of times his legal team is very busy, not a cheap dig, but hardly surprising is it? :P
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Is it just me, or does this thread have the makings of one of the potentially most-historic if not THE most-historic thread in the history of GFY!!!?!?!?!?!?!
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Is it just me, or does this thread have the makings of one of the potentially most-historic if not THE most-historic thread in the history of GFY!!!?!?!?!?!?!
Reggie, I like your trailer. Please follow my sig and email me if you want. And yeah, this has all the makings of a saga. Too bad it's not being documented on film.
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Surely that ones going to come after it is filmed.
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So I just spent the last hour watching the video that goes with the golf and sofa sets of this girl Skye Daniels.

Over all very average. No where near quality porn ad clearly not shot or edited by an experienced team. The mistakes are clear and with the model being so fake not helping the over all product.

Here is my appraisal and some advice to Fabian and anyone else.

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Over all I suspect it was shot with a less than experienced shooter whose working on a budget that doesn't allow him to have things like over head mikes. There's simply no excuse for the poor sound editing. Just plain sloppy.

Is it good? No.

Is it good for this part of the industry? Sadly yes.

Can I shoot better? I wouldn't of lasted 30 years shooting like this. But in 30 years you learn to shoot a lot better as the years went by. This is how we all start out. Making simple mistakes, seeing them when we edit and making sure we improve.

The big question is.

CAN ANYONE SHOOT BETTER FOR $700 A SET AND VIDEO OUTRIGHT ONE SALE?
Damn Paul!! One of the most impressive reviews I have ever read. You were dead on with what you pointed out. You really need to know your shit to point out what you pointed out. Very, Very impressive.


I looked at the camera work and i defiantly with out a doubt know who shot that scene. The moves way give it away. This director does not edit and will not listen to anybody about anything when it comes to making technical changes that will up his content quality. This particular shooter is a technical retard and will not listen to anybody, because he already knows it all. Im guessing he fears loosing his job when his technical short comings come to light.


The stills are shot by somebody else entirely and are seriously rushed because the director is yelling at everyone to hurry up,because he wants to get out of there before 4pm. That is way evident by the inconsistency of the stills. The strobes are not recharged when the photog fires the next shot. That i know is a fact.


I know the Photographer personally, but i do know the director. I know if the photographer had more time on the stills, the stills would be way, way better. 2k stills and get them done in 20 min. is not fair to the photographer and to the company paying for the scene.


You were right about him using the onboard mic. He wont use a boom because he is way far from technical as they get and he will claim it will restrict his quick movement and scene flow.

Furthermore this particular director has a serious reputation for yelling at talent and stressing everyone out on set when he is in a bad mood. That seems to be everyday from what I hear. Thats what is with the uncomfortable look on the girls face. Im not going to name him, but his initials are TT. (I bet i get a scathing call later in the week because of my honesty)


From what I understand MOFOS is more of an amateur site. Shot with little lighting(on purpose) and has more of a raw feel to it.


Paul, I think that you happened to pic the worst scene shot by, IMHO, the least skilled shooter. To Brazzers defense, i think that is the look that MOFOS wants for that network. A Pro Am look and feel is the look that MOFOS is looking for.


You need to see some of the stuff that Bret Brando shoots. That is the stuff that is on the Brazzers flagship site. The sound is good, the lighting is on point, the stories are entertaining and i know that Brando is always on point.


The shooters that care and that are on point when they shoot will have an external mic on the camera with a shock mount going into channel one and a boom arm mic that is positioned 3 feet over the set, cabled in to channel two. Why??? Shooters that are editors and editors know why.


"Over all," i still think that Brazzers "as a whole" has the best content quality on the net. With RK at close 2nd in content quality. RK's edge is the new unseen girl factor.




I do edit my own scenes, I see my past mistakes and i have learned from them. After reading your review and seeing that your eye is on technical point and knowing that you do understand what is expected from you, I truly feel that you will knock this scene out of the park. Shit, you might end up being the next Brazzers contract guy.



Paul; you and I may disagree on things from time to time, but i do respect you and all of your accomplishments in adult. I will be cheering for you on this next shoot,

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paul you get the contract? We're a step closer!!

to be fair fabian did say lots of times his legal team is very busy, not a cheap dig, but hardly surprising is it? :P
Yes got the contract and it's not acceptable.

I get paid after the shoot and on them approving the work.

That will not happen. Manwin don't have any credit rating with me.

I never got past that part as it was pointless.

Thanks Dave. Will do more scenes tomorrow, it was fun for me. Not in a vindictive way, just good to see if I could remember all the shit I've learned over the years. Will answer your post tomorrow.

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I will sign it. I'm not part of the company anymore, don't you read this thread?

I will sign it when I have approved it and have all my things lined up. I don't sign contracts half cocked.

Replied to your email.

I WILL NEED A LOGIN TO YOUR SITE TO SEE WHAT THE STANDARD IS. WITHOUT THAT I'M IN THE DARK ABOUT WHAT I'M SHOOTING AT.

If you wont give it to me we can all assume why. I need to better than your guys and see what you think is acceptable or do I have to be better than you buy?
Then on page 7 of this thread, I already saw where this was going...
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here we go with the BULLSHIT....There are Brazzers passes all over the fucking net...And there are Brazzers videos all over the net....Either way, once the password is given, there will be yet ANOTHER demand...

All this rigamaroll over a solo girl scene?

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The login doesn't work and was for another site, so no progress there. If you want to try it to check I'm not screwing up somewhere you're welcome.

Who cares if trolls believe I shot it or not. Its all about what I think of my work, how much it makes and nothing to do with trolls.
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Yes got the contract and it's not acceptable.

I get paid after the shoot and on them approving the work.

That will not happen. Manwin don't have any credit rating with me.

I never got past that part as it was pointless.

Thanks Dave. Will do more scenes tomorrow, it was fun for me. Not in a vindictive way, just good to see if I could remember all the shit I've learned over the years. Will answer your post tomorrow.
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I haven't watched the scene in question that Paul reviewed but based on the level of detail in the review and on my own experience as a director, videographer and editor it seems like he makes some very fair points. Maybe a bit picky in his criticism in a few places. But the overall thrust of his comments are sound. A few of the audio issues like a single plane flying by one time, a fire engine roaring by on the street one time or a high heel dropping onto a wooden floor with a loud thud are fleeting audio issues that that I would hate to break the model's concentration and momentum if she is peforming well masturbating. But those one off audio issues are usually fixable in post.

Even the criticisms about framing are pretty much right on the money though maybe also a tad picky in a few places. It's easy to second guess each and every angle after the fact when you have a model flipping around to masturbate in a half dozen or more different positions on or around a piece of furniture for 20-30 minutes, especially if the model is a newbie like so many of the girls I shoot. Though an experienced cameraman can usually get the correct angles to fill the frame by either moving around to create a new angle or stopping momentarilly and spending a few seconds giving updated instructions to the model of how to position herself.

Both Paul & Dave are 100% right though about videographers who don't edit their own scenes or at least who don't have video editing experience. There's no way someone can be a really good cameraperson who doesn't edit their own scenes. The two go hand in hand. Knowing how to edit gives one the knowledge on how to shoot so that the scenes cut together properly. I aim to deliver very editor friendly foootage to my clients. 99% of the footage I shoot gets used, and usually in almost the exacting sequence that it was shot in. I shoot old school style and go from one take in wide to the next in closeup and show every transition of movement so that there is no need to ever use a dissolve to join my scenes together even if there was a major break in continuity in real life due to a male losing wood or a phone ringing or whatever.

In my opinion, the other major factor that will make a producer perfect his craft at the highest level on how to produce and shoot porn with expertise is if he has experience putting up his own money up front to complete shoots and handling all the arrangements himself for absolutely everything including crew, talent, location and miscellaneous. From what I understand a few of very biggest online porn companies that produce a lot of content seem to place some kind of value- dubious value in my opinion- on using "producers" that work only under an exclusive arrangement to that company. And these so called producers- really directors/videographers would be a better terminology- pretty much just shoot who and what they are told to shoot using the equipment and crew that they are assigned, and shoot under pretty restrictive guidelines. That strategy may help create a relatively consistent product, but not necessarilly the best product in my opinion.

I feel blessed that I have been able to make and sustain a career primarily shooting the models I want with the crew and equipment that I feel comfortable with, in the locations that I want and in the overall style that I like. This, mostly because many clients specifically rely on me to keep coming up with fresh new hotties as part of my overall job as a full service producer & director and/or because they trust my judgement to choose better than anyone else who to shoot, even if subject to approval in certain cases. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this experiment turns out for Paul.
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Yes got the contract and it's not acceptable.

I get paid after the shoot and on them approving the work.

That will not happen. Manwin don't have any credit rating with me.

I never got past that part as it was pointless.

Thanks Dave. Will do more scenes tomorrow, it was fun for me. Not in a vindictive way, just good to see if I could remember all the shit I've learned over the years. Will answer your post tomorrow.
Paul, no worries, I'll get it changed. If you are this afraid that you will not perform well, we'll pay you before hand and just eat the loss in case its all crap...
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Paul, no worries, I'll get it changed. If you are this afraid that you will not perform well, we'll pay you before hand and just eat the loss in case its all crap...
HAHAHA! It looks like this shoot will REALLY happen!
I, for one, couldn't be happier about this news, this is exciting stuff! Fabian, I respect you for rising to Paul's challenge and putting your $ where your typing fingers are.

Paul, I'm excited to work with you on this documentary/BTS... What country are you shooting in?

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Paul, no worries, I'll get it changed. If you are this afraid that you will not perform well, we'll pay you before hand and just eat the loss in case its all crap...
He's still not going to do it.....I really believe that this scene will NEVER get shot....He just never expected somebody to actually show up with 3k...Once it's put in his hand, then there is NOTHING that he can do to back out so he will do everything in his power to make sure that the money does NOT get into his hands.
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I'll leave that to you to figure out RD. You seem to have so much interest in this thread. It doesn't take but a few seconds to figure out why Manwin's group of tube sites full of everybody else's stolen content would piss people off.

And then a quick check around and you find out what Fabian has done in his life...or I should say lack of things he's done in the actual porn business (and his complete lack of any creative skills and his zero experience in pretty much every aspect of this business...except for programming the first version of NATS software)...and then I think you'll understand why I personally don't care about the guy one way or another.

I think I've already made that pretty clear. I save my respect for my peers. Fabian was a failed webmaster after he left TMM with a failed tiny affiliate program. Then suddenly, out of the blue...he's one of a handful of "managing partners" of the newly dubbed "Manwin".

I have no problem with a guy doing well for himself by being slick enough to talk some people with money into opening a door for him. Sure he is the guy who has the job of taking heat. And believe me...he's taking it.

But for this guy to get off on a power trip and suddenly start lecturing to his betters? Ridiculous. All the money in the world won't buy him a creative bone in his body, and it won't buy him a clue either.

He is beneath me. And WAY beneath guys like Paul, Jim Gunn, and Just Dave. And the business tactics that the tube side of his company engage in are part of the problem that has caused guys like Paul, Jim, and Dave to actually approach this guy for work. I don't fault them for that. But me? I don't need his shit. And as I said...I wouldn't give him the time of day.
WOAH, just saw this. Robbie Are you just uninformed or are you insane? If you haven't read this article, you are just uninformed:
http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/

However, if you HAVE read this article and you're still saying these crazy things, then you're just insane!!!
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:01 PM   #443
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So from what you say about the scene you watched is that it should not be shot that badly?

The microphone should hang from the ceiling somewhere...

Should it not be on a boom, with a professional boom swinger and sound recordest ?

Should not the scene be lit professionally too ? with a full professional crew?


Is the complaint that it should be shot in an amateur way but not "badly amateur"....

You talk about magazines, but the photography they promoted was repetitive, boring, same flat lighting, same stale ideas week after week, just change the girls. Was it really that diffferent ?

About the same as MET ART, all done to a formula.... So the magazines were just as guilty as what you accuse the websites of being, the minimum technical standards to make money...

The most creative photography and film making has not been found in porn, even though it has the money to fund it...

It is if the people in porn are cut off from normal culture and don't see films TV or photography in the mainstream...

Surly if shooters want to make better quality websites they are free to do so. We feel free to do want we want, exactly how we want...

In fact, we would encourage websites to shoot with planes going overhead, drop those shoes, no dear you don't look bored, love the the ink, they don't look fake at all, yes those grunts are totally believable....
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:15 PM   #444
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Surly if shooters want to make better quality websites they are free to do so. We feel free to do want we want, exactly how we want...

In fact, we would encourage websites to shoot with planes going overhead, drop those shoes, no dear you don't look bored, love the the ink, they don't look fake at all, yes those grunts are totally believable....
Nice Cherry-Dawg(ette?)!
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:45 PM   #445
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WOAH, just saw this. Robbie Are you just uninformed or are you insane? If you haven't read this article, you are just uninformed:
http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/

However, if you HAVE read this article and you're still saying these crazy things, then you're just insane!!!
You have got to be kidding me right? You are this close to joining Fabian on my "ignore" list. I don't have any more patience for foolishness. Your choice.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:52 PM   #446
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you have got to be kidding me right? You are this close to joining fabian on my "ignore" list. I don't have any more patience for foolishness. Your choice.
huh? Please explain to me what you mean, exactly, before you put me on ignore. I have no idea what you mean and i would like to give you ONE opportunity to explain yourself. Explain yourself.

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Old 03-07-2011, 06:56 PM   #447
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huh? Please explain to me what you mean, exactly, before you put me on ignore. I have no idea what you mean and i would like to give you ONE opportunity to explain yourself. Explain yourself.
I don't have anything to explain. If you don't understand what piracy has done to this business in just the last 2 to 3 years...then you don't have any business even communicating with me. I really don't have time to explain shit to people who aren't in this business.

I hear you shot a nice video. That's cool. But I don't think you are in the same business as me. If you are, then you are trolling. Either way...I really don't have any reason to have a conversation with you.

No disrespect to you. But I come to GFY to speak to people that are in my business. Not outsiders who are having a grand old time on here poking the porn people with a stick. I'm putting you on ignore now. Nice meeting ya. Goodbye.
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:42 PM   #448
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If you don't understand what piracy has done to this business in just the last 2 to 3 years...then you don't have any business even communicating with me. I really don't have time to explain shit to people who aren't in this business.
I know exactly what Piracy has done to the business in the last 2 to 3 years. I know this because I am in this business. I also know that Fabian had nothing to do with that before he owned Manwin, and now that he does own Manwin, I know he is doing more to combat piracy than hahahahahahaha and fooze 'n them. He has not made it perfect, but he is certainly working at making it better.

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I hear you shot a nice video. That's cool. But I don't think you are in the same business as me. If you are, then you are trolling. Either way...I really don't have any reason to have a conversation with you.
I am not trolling and I am in the same business as you. In addition to making a documentary on the industry I am a part of, I have an aebn affiliate site. I have a freesite or two. I have production-managed on porn sets. I have produced, I have directed, I have edited, I have performed, I have done it all!

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No disrespect to you. But I come to GFY to speak to people that are in my business. Not outsiders who are having a grand old time on here poking the porn people with a stick. I'm putting you on ignore now. Nice meeting ya. Goodbye.
Thank god the United Nations doesn't operate so block-headedly!
Wait, do they?

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Old 03-07-2011, 11:22 PM   #449
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Gotta love Robbie!
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