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sarettah · 01-15-2018, 06:40 PM

Like the title says: Do U.S. webmasters have any responsibility to comply with UK age verification rules?

I would think that there is nothing the U.K. could do other than possibly block access to a site but I could be wrong, I often am.

Should affiliates be bouncing UK traffic directly to our sponsors instead of allowing them into our free site/gallery/TGP/whatever version of an affiliate site we have?

Expiring minds want to know.

Thanks in advance for your on-topic responses.

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Qbert · 01-15-2018, 07:27 PM

AFAIK they still haven't announced how they plan to enforce this.

A list of global non-UK web sites that need to be blocked by UK Internet providers would be massive and all but impossible to maintain.

PornDiscounts-V · 01-15-2018, 07:33 PM

Yes and no. Yes - If you plan to visit the UK you should be following their laws or you might not make it out of customs through the standard exit doors. No - if you don't plan to go there, they really have no way to enforce this measure.

SpicyM · 01-15-2018, 08:00 PM

If you are not a UK citizen and/or you are not located within their borders.. than why would you even think they could enforce this to you?

With this logic, we would have to comply with every single law of every single country in the world. LOL..

Even if you planned to visit UK, they would need to run a list of all webmasters who are not compliant.. which is impossible and I doubt that gathering and storing private information regarding foreigners who have nothing to do with their country, so they could not brake their laws, would be legal... of course, as long as you are not wanted by Interpol. LOL. You can't brake their law if you are not physically in UK / or if you are not a UK citizen located abroad.

If you plan to visit, just block UK to be safe + use private whois.

The Porn Nerd · 01-15-2018, 08:10 PM

The most they could do is block your site.
Perhaps they will have something in place on the ISP level that if a site does not have an AVS code on the page they will automatically block you and store your server IP.

Beyond that? Highly doubtful.

Rochard · 01-15-2018, 08:26 PM

We've had this discussion before with 2257, haven't we? US laws do not apply to citizens in the UK. The UK cannot enforce laws on other countries.

I've always thought 2257 was over hyped. It's a record keeping law. Every industry has record keeping laws. I have a friend who is an engineer with the local rail road company and his job is to go from railroad crossing to railroad crossing and inspect them and then file the paperwork. It's also like the Spam Can law - it makes bulk emailing legal. Same thing with 2257. It made our business legal.

PornDiscounts-V · 01-15-2018, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

We've had this discussion before with 2257, haven't we? US laws do not apply to citizens in the UK. The UK cannot enforce laws on other countries.

I've always thought 2257 was over hyped. It's a record keeping law. Every industry has record keeping laws. I have a friend who is an engineer with the local rail road company and his job is to go from railroad crossing to railroad crossing and inspect them and then file the paperwork. It's also like the Spam Can law - it makes bulk emailing legal. Same thing with 2257. It made our business legal.

And yet here we are with FATCA and Paxum.

Manfap · 01-16-2018, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

If you are not a UK citizen and/or you are not located within their borders.. than why would you even think they could enforce this to you?

With this logic, we would have to comply with every single law of every single country in the world. LOL..

Even if you planned to visit UK, they would need to run a list of all webmasters who are not compliant.. which is impossible and I doubt that gathering and storing private information regarding foreigners who have nothing to do with their country, so they could not brake their laws, would be legal... of course, as long as you are not wanted by Interpol. LOL. You can't brake their law if you are not physically in UK / or if you are not a UK citizen located abroad.

If you plan to visit, just block UK to be safe + use private whois.

This guy was just changing flights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carruthers

Petra · 01-16-2018, 08:40 AM

This was discussed at the panel during the Amsterdam show.

1. Every other country is watching the UK. If they're successful, expect them to jump on board.

2. Block your IP

3. Take away your .co.uk domain if you have one

4. They have been talking to google to get them on board with blacklisting those that don't comply

5. They're in talks with visa and mastercard to drop those who aren't complying

IF #4 and #5 are correct and can happen, that means they'll be able to stretch beyond their boarders which is kind of a chilling thought. I don't want to sell porn to kids anymore than the next person here but if the UK is able to control the internet like that... holy shit.

pornlaw · 01-16-2018, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Petra

This was discussed at the panel during the Amsterdam show.

1. Every other country is watching the UK. If they're successful, expect them to jump on board.

2. Block your IP

3. Take away your .co.uk domain if you have one

4. They have been talking to google to get them on board with blacklisting those that don't comply

5. They're in talks with visa and mastercard to drop those who aren't complying

IF #4 and #5 are correct and can happen, that means they'll be able to stretch beyond their boarders which is kind of a chilling thought. I don't want to sell porn to kids anymore than the next person here but if the UK is able to control the internet like that... holy shit.

Blacklisting by Google in other countries probably wont happen.

In Canada, Google was ordered by the Canadian Supreme Court to blacklist certain results. Google just hopped across the border to the US and won a ruling in a US court that overturned the Canadian Supreme Court's decision.

Google Wins Ruling to Block Global Censorship Order | Fortune

As for VISA and Mastercard... I dont see that happening but its remotely possible.

#1, 2 and 3 I agree with.

Bladewire · 01-16-2018, 09:53 AM

Imagine having to age verify for every country on the planet integrating with each of their age verification systems.

It's far from impossible but definitely where we're headed.

Petra · 01-16-2018, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Blacklisting by Google in other countries probably wont happen.

In Canada, Google was ordered by the Canadian Supreme Court to blacklist certain results. Google just hopped across the border to the US and won a ruling in a US court that overturned the Canadian Supreme Court's decision.

Google Wins Ruling to Block Global Censorship Order | Fortune

As for VISA and Mastercard... I dont see that happening but its remotely possible.

#1, 2 and 3 I agree with.

#3 and #4 was suggested as possibilities. Nobody came straight out and said it, but it's frightening to think about.

Germany got Google to actually blacklist de.freeones.com and freeones.com completely on Google.de on what I'm assuming is the age verification law there. Not much info was really left on LumenDatabase. So it's probably a taste of what's to come in the UK.

sarettah · 01-16-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Petra

#3 and #4 was suggested as possibilities. Nobody came straight out and said it, but it's frightening to think about.

Germany got Google to actually blacklist de.freeones.com and freeones.com completely on Google.de on what I'm assuming is the age verification law there. Not much info was really left on LumenDatabase. So it's probably a taste of what's to come in the UK.

Blacklisting on the local Google I can see. Blacklisting on all Google would seem heavy handed and not in Google's best interest.

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Cyber Fucker · 01-16-2018, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

Like the title says: Do U.S. webmasters have any responsibility to comply with UK age verification rules?

I would think that there is nothing the U.K. could do other than possibly block access to a site but I could be wrong, I often am.

Should affiliates be bouncing UK traffic directly to our sponsors instead of allowing them into our free site/gallery/TGP/whatever version of an affiliate site we have?

Expiring minds want to know.

Thanks in advance for your on-topic responses.

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Of course not. They won't come to spank you or something.
The problem is what will happen to the site access in the UK. I guess they might try enforce ISP providers to blacklist your site, well, our sites. That blacklist would be quite long.
UK legislators went full nuts with this protecting minors from the evil Internet thing and the internet censorship.

SpicyM · 01-16-2018, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap

This guy was just changing flights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carruthers

That was a publicly known figure, a CEO of one of the largest betting companies BetonSports ("between 2002 and 2004 took in wagers amounting to nearly $4 billion") of which founder Gary Kaplan was a US citizen and 98% of their earnings came from US citizens.

Nice comparison..

They were taking bets from US citizens, so no wonder he got fucked when he was in USA.

Operating a free website and not blocking access from UK is quite different.. and the intention unprovable.

Manfap · 01-16-2018, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

That was a publicly known figure, a CEO of one of the largest betting companies BetonSports ("between 2002 and 2004 took in wagers amounting to nearly $4 billion") of which founder Gary Kaplan was a US citizen and 98% of their earnings came from US citizens.

Nice comparison..

They were taking bets from US citizens, so no wonder he got fucked when he was in USA.

Operating a free website and not blocking access from UK is quite different.. and the intention unprovable.

True, but still shows what is possible. Based on

'If you are not a UK citizen and/or you are not located within their borders.. than why would you even think they could enforce this to you?
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directfiesta · 01-16-2018, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Manfap

True, but still shows what is possible. Based on

'If you are not a UK citizen and/or you are not located within their borders.. than why would you even think they could enforce this to you?
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Exactly ... It is just a question on how much would the UK want to enforce it ....

The Porn Nerd · 01-16-2018, 12:34 PM

The UK - like any country and government - is limited in what it can and cannot do to enforce a law like this. Besides, the UK hasn't even worked out the particulars yet and I suspect when they Do they just may drop the whole thing.

SpicyM · 01-16-2018, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Manfap

True, but still shows what is possible. Based on

'If you are not a UK citizen and/or you are not located within their borders.. than why would you even think they could enforce this to you?
'

Yes, that means they can't enforce anything if you don't enter their ground.

directfiesta · 01-16-2018, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

Yes, that means they can't enforce anything if you don't enter their ground.

Not really ... They can charge you and issue arrest warrants , then ask Interpol to enforce them ... or simply request extradition ... US does it all the time ( britt hacker , Russian gun runner in Malaysia, etc ... ) and Sweden did it to Assange .

ZENRA · 01-16-2018, 01:19 PM

If you have UK traffic, you should at the minimum consider adding some type of age check solution to your site geo-restricted to UK traffic if this starts being enforced. If your site gets blocked nationwide there, you'd be losing out on very valuable users who *do* use their credit cards often.

SpicyM · 01-16-2018, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Not really ... They can charge you and issue arrest warrants , then ask Interpol to enforce them ... or simply request extradition ... US does it all the time ( britt hacker , Russian gun runner in Malaysia, etc ... ) and Sweden did it to Assange .

1. Assange (supposedly) committed crime when he was in Sweden.

2. Brittish hacker (I don't know the case) prolly attacked computers of US government, so he directly committed crime on US property

Dude, running a site hosted outside of UK and not targeted to UK population won't fuckin do anything to you. They will block your site, if they want.

With this logic, we all could be in trouble, because Saudi Arabia can issue a warrant and try us for pornography.

EDIT: There are particular crimes that you can be tried for in a different state even if you did not commit them in there and are not linked to that state anyhow - those are serious crimes with international aspect like terrorism, war crimes, drug trafficking, sabotage etc exactly mentioned in the criminal code.. This is because it's often impossible to exactly tell where these crimes were committed and so there are international treaties that allow trying of these individuals anywhere.

Running a fully legal website that UK government doesn't like? lol.. yeah, Interpol is waiting for you. Also, being charged doesn't mean sentenced.

cordoba · 01-16-2018, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PornDiscounts-V

Yes and no. Yes - If you plan to visit the UK you should be following their laws or you might not make it out of customs through the standard exit doors. No - if you don't plan to go there, they really have no way to enforce this measure.

No, this is a piece of trade regulation, so fines (and this is the proposed 'punishment') could only be enforced in the UK. They can and will block your site, of course, and perhaps do stuff like strongarming Google into delisting you, but only webmasters operating in the UK could be subject to legal action.

Given that the UK government still doesn't seem to have a clue about the details of the proposed age verification requirements, I can't see them fining anyone for a while anyway. Also, they will apparently send out 'enforcement notices/warnings' first, to which you will have a certain period of time to comply with, so unless you are given one of these through the post (not very likely outside of the UK) I'd feel safe travelling there.

SpicyM · 01-16-2018, 03:14 PM

There would have to be some connection with UK, either territorial (you committed crime on their ground) , or personal (you are a citized of UK, or committed crime against a citized of UK abroad where it is also illegal), or some sort of serious international crime (like terrorism) in case they could arrest you.

sarettah · 01-16-2018, 07:26 PM

Thanks for all the replies.

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magneto664 · 01-16-2018, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Petra

4. They have been talking to google to get them on board with blacklisting those that don't comply

I love such stupid answers
Google is not whole internet master magic box! . Do you know that websites can work without google?
What schools do you finish to write such stupidities?

I kindly remind you:
That there are servers and countries that keep hosting child pornography. And the government of the United Kingdom or the US has been doing nothing about it for years.
And now they will block access to porn sites (with success) ??
Thousands of stolen videos fly daily between servers around the world and we have a non-DMCA host! and what noting!
for a popular cam-related keywords we have in google a stolen DMCA vidos - and what FUCKING NOTING.
And now someone is looking for a solution to block porn, fucking now and instant.

Now I read that: on the UK border will check if you are the owner of the domain www.sexy-hot-tube.com?
FUCKING HOW, fucking domain by proxy?

They want but do not know how.

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Originally Posted by SpicyM

There would have to be some connection with UK, either territorial (you committed crime on their ground) , or personal (you are a citized of UK, or committed crime against a citized of UK abroad where it is also illegal), or some sort of serious international crime (like terrorism) in case they could arrest you.

They will be ridiculous if they send 007 spy to find the place where you buy donuts. so far, the police in the UK can not deport Islamic people from their country.

cordoba · 01-16-2018, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ZENRA

If you have UK traffic, you should at the minimum consider adding some type of age check solution to your site geo-restricted to UK traffic if this starts being enforced. If your site gets blocked nationwide there, you'd be losing out on very valuable users who *do* use their credit cards often.

Given that the UK government doesn't seem to be interested in explaining to webmasters how to age verify (probably too busy fapping to extreme porn tubes on their House of Commons computers), can anyone recommend a decent wordpress plugin that can easily block ips by countries (as a stopgap solution)?

Paul Markham · 01-17-2018, 09:11 AM

They can block your site, which if only partly effective will bring down your profit margins. Big sites like Twitter, etc. Will be key.

pornlaw · 01-17-2018, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Petra

#3 and #4 was suggested as possibilities. Nobody came straight out and said it, but it's frightening to think about.

Germany got Google to actually blacklist de.freeones.com and freeones.com completely on Google.de on what I'm assuming is the age verification law there. Not much info was really left on LumenDatabase. So it's probably a taste of what's to come in the UK.

I agree that a localized country blacklist of non-compliant sites can happen in the UK. And probably will happen at some point once and if they can "master" this regulation. It might take a few years though.

pornlaw · 01-17-2018, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by magneto664

Now I read that: on the UK border will check if you are the owner of the domain www.sexy-hot-tube.com?
FUCKING HOW, fucking domain by proxy?

They want but do not know how.

If you think Godaddy or any other service wont give up your info with a simple request from Interpol, the FBI or any other law enforcement agency, guess again. I can get Godaddy to drop the protections and give me the registration information by sending them a court filed complaint.

Domains by Proxy provides 0 protection. And if the domain is in your company's name, a little bit of searching usually will reveal who owns the company. And if you actually have a company (in certain US states) where nominee directors are allowed, again, I just have to serve the Agent for Service of Process and that nominee director will give me the name and info of the true owners.

I once sued a Seychelles company who's owner was at a studio in Chatsworth. It took me less than a day to find him.

There is no anonymity on the Internet.

Klen · 01-17-2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

If you think Godaddy or any other service wont give up your info with a simple request from Interpol, the FBI or any other law enforcement agency, guess again. I can get Godaddy to drop the protections and give me the registration information by sending them a court filed complaint.

Domains by Proxy provides 0 protection. And if the domain is in your company's name, a little bit of searching usually will reveal who owns the company. And if you actually have a company (in certain US states) where nominee directors are allowed, again, I just have to serve the Agent for Service of Process and that nominee director will give me the name and info of the true owners.

I once sued a Seychelles company who's owner was at a studio in Chatsworth. It took me less than a day to find him.

There is no anonymity on the Internet.

Yeah but you are specialist for searching such info , average investigator joe dont know difference between whois and private whois.

pornlaw · 01-17-2018, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Yeah but you are specialist for searching such info , average investigator joe dont know difference between whois and private whois.

Avg Joe - sure. Law enforcement, attorneys and litigation PIs will know that - its not a secret. Litigation PIs with the right contacts can get everything - bank records, skip tracing on credit cards ect - Im amazed what an asset recovery PI can find.

A PI once told me he use to payoff phone company personnel to get phone records without a subpoena. Someone is always looking to make a buck.

cordoba · 01-17-2018, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

If you think Godaddy or any other service wont give up your info with a simple request from Interpol, the FBI or any other law enforcement agency, guess again. I can get Godaddy to drop the protections and give me the registration information by sending them a court filed complaint.

Domains by Proxy provides 0 protection. And if the domain is in your company's name, a little bit of searching usually will reveal who owns the company. And if you actually have a company (in certain US states) where nominee directors are allowed, again, I just have to serve the Agent for Service of Process and that nominee director will give me the name and info of the true owners.

I once sued a Seychelles company who's owner was at a studio in Chatsworth. It took me less than a day to find him.

There is no anonymity on the Internet.

True, but it's a lot of work for the UK border police to submit a request to the registrars of EVERY porn site online that doesn't have an age verification or UK ip block.

JFK · 01-17-2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

Thanks for all the replies.

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some good ones

magneto664 · 01-17-2018, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

If you think Godaddy or any other service wont give up your info with a simple request from Interpol, the FBI or any other law enforcement agency, guess again.

First of all, you're bored. godaddy godaddy and godaddy. but you know it's a shitty company and only idiots buy domains there?

FBI and other services are already heating engines to just hunt for people around the world, just because they have no information about age

grow up (for first)

If I order a domain by russian company how long I need wait for FBI car on my street?

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

I can get Godaddy to drop the protections and give me the registration information by sending them a court filed complaint.

it's so pathetic writing about godaddy and godaddy, but you know there are a thousand other companies in the USA. thousands in the world. I have to tell you how many tld is in the whole world? russia, china, mongolia, moldova, tell you something? libya, kenya, coconut islands still something to add?

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Domains by Proxy provides 0 protection.

Of course you are not informed.
1. you use shit godaddy and shit example from proxy. (pls stop using this name and this company)
2. You have no idea that there are other countries with other domains outside the USA. eg a country like Andorra domain tld .ad. (yeee something new from geography)
3. you can also provide false interactions to domain by proxy (and someone checks your ID? Where?)
4. - domain can be bought on aunts, grandmothers, men from the store.
5. domain can be bought for bitcoin, shitcoin, cancercoin etc. for a pre-paid visa card where you can enter fake name.
6. domain can be bought in Russia, Ukraine, Poland or in Czech Republic for points in the paysafecard program where you can provide fake data, fake name, fake hair color, fake shoe size etc.
7. I do not want to write more how to buy fake domain.

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

And if the domain is in your company's name, a little bit of searching usually will reveal who owns the company.

Seriously, you want to look for someone in a village in Belarus.?

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

I once sued a Seychelles company who's owner was at a studio in Chatsworth. It took me less than a day to find him.

I'm curious how you can deal with someone who lives in Bulgaria or Turkey

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

There is no anonymity on the Internet.

Unfortunately, I have bad news for you, the internet is anonymous.
Unfortunately, you have to pay for it.

And now to the topic:
Who will look for the owners of millions of domains. And sued them in court in Great Britain for missing a button on the site?

and please do not write anything about blocking the page on google, google is not the whole internet, you know that it is still bing?

Blocking pages on google looks like blocking pirate bay. type in "" piratebay proxy "" and have fun.

if you think that the problem of blocking the page by google is the solution. Soon someone will earn a money for writing porn browsers for all systems

The Porn Nerd · 01-17-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by magneto664

First of all, you're bored. godaddy godaddy and godaddy. but you know it's a shitty company and only idiots buy domains there?

FBI and other services are already heating engines to just hunt for people around the world, just because they have no information about age

grow up (for first)

If I order a domain by russian company how long I need wait for FBI car on my street?

it's so pathetic writing about godaddy and godaddy, but you know there are a thousand other companies in the USA. thousands in the world. I have to tell you how many tld is in the whole world? russia, china, mongolia, moldova, tell you something? libya, kenya, coconut islands still something to add?

Of course you are not informed.
1. you use shit godaddy and shit example from proxy. (pls stop using this name and this company)
2. You have no idea that there are other countries with other domains outside the USA. eg a country like Andorra domain tld .ad. (yeee something new from geography)
3. you can also provide false interactions to domain by proxy (and someone checks your ID? Where?)
4. - domain can be bought on aunts, grandmothers, men from the store.
5. domain can be bought for bitcoin, shitcoin, cancercoin etc. for a pre-paid visa card where you can enter fake name.
6. domain can be bought in Russia, Ukraine, Poland or in Czech Republic for points in the paysafecard program where you can provide fake data, fake name, fake hair color, fake shoe size etc.
7. I do not want to write more how to buy fake domain.

Seriously, you want to look for someone in a village in Belarus.?

I'm curious how you can deal with someone who lives in Bulgaria or Turkey

Unfortunately, I have bad news for you, the internet is anonymous.
Unfortunately, you have to pay for it.

And now to the topic:
Who will look for the owners of millions of domains. And sued them in court in Great Britain for missing a button on the site?

and please do not write anything about blocking the page on google, google is not the whole internet, you know that it is still bing?

Blocking pages on google looks like blocking pirate bay. type in "" piratebay proxy "" and have fun.

if you think that the problem of blocking the page by google is the solution. Soon someone will earn a money for writing porn browsers for all systems

Apparently you have GoDaddy issues.

SpicyM · 01-17-2018, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Apparently you have GoDaddy issues.

magneto664 · 01-17-2018, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Apparently you have GoDaddy issues.

completely, nothing, I do not even have an account there. Why should I pay twice as much for a domain?

Relentless · 01-17-2018, 04:38 PM

The traffic and sales of noncompliant websites within the UK will be reapportioned among sites that are compliant. If you have significant traffic and sales from UK traffic now, make sure you become compliant immediately.

It's not about them suing you in the US... it's about them blocking your url entirely at the ISP level within the UK.

sarettah · 01-17-2018, 04:48 PM

I think that when/if it goes into effect that I will just bounce UK IPs directly to my sponsors and let them handle it.

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pornlaw · 01-17-2018, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cordoba

True, but it's a lot of work for the UK border police to submit a request to the registrars of EVERY porn site online that doesn't have an age verification or UK ip block.

Why would they do it to every site ? They would just send it to the hosts and/or the domain registries...

magneto664 · 01-17-2018, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Why would they do it to every site ? They would just send it to the hosts and/or the domain registries...

and how you can handle it.
a discussion forum with a subforum where people place naked photos.
it does not have to be a porn site, just a forum for sailors or rpg fans.
What about the Twitter? and other popular sites?

why are you still writing about the domain registrar? is some magical organization?

sarettah · 01-18-2018, 04:23 PM

Magneto664, your camsdepot is throwing a 504:Gateway error on me.

Just thought I would let you know.

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j3rkules · 01-19-2018, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sarettah

Magneto664, your camsdepot is throwing a 504:Gateway error on me.

Just thought I would let you know.

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It works now, but it looks to load slow.

VRPdommy · 01-19-2018, 11:39 AM

Everyone really needs to turn the tables on this issue.
Force the government to create a Virtual ID to validate age.
Just as we might have for the purchase of tobacco or alcohol.

Yes, I know that is not likely to happen. But if you are not asking for something, what do you have to compromise with.

cordoba · 01-19-2018, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Why would they do it to every site ? They would just send it to the hosts and/or the domain registries...

So the UK police or customs or whatever could simply send one legal request to GoDaddy (and all the other registrars) for the whois details of every non-compliant site registered under them?

cordoba · 01-19-2018, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

The traffic and sales of noncompliant websites within the UK will be reapportioned among sites that are compliant. If you have significant traffic and sales from UK traffic now, make sure you become compliant immediately.

It's not about them suing you in the US... it's about them blocking your url entirely at the ISP level within the UK.

Brits who are serious about porn will simply use a proxy. Doesn't half the world use proxies now anyway?

What about Brits who join a pay site? Wont they still have to age verify themselves every time in order to access the log in page? Isn't that going to be a pain in the ass? Wont they just use a proxy whether they are going to join a site or just surf for free porn?

If you're willing to go to the trouble to get your credit card out every time you want to look at online porn, you're probably going to be even more willing to take 10 seconds to download and set up a free proxy that allows you to avoid all this hassle.

cordoba · 01-19-2018, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Everyone really needs to turn the tables on this issue.
Force the government to create a Virtual ID to validate age.
Just as we might have for the purchase of tobacco or alcohol.

Yes, I know that is not likely to happen. But if you are not asking for something, what do you have to compromise with.

Because the next step will be to force everybody to use their 'virtual id' when using twitter, posting anything political online etc., as is already now the case in China and other repressive regimes which have no concept of freedom of speech.

https://qz.com/1063073/in-china-you-...omment-online/

pornlaw · 01-19-2018, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cordoba

So the UK police or customs or whatever could simply send one legal request to GoDaddy (and all the other registrars) for the whois details of every non-compliant site registered under them?

Not one for all of them. One for each of them. A lot has to do with international treaties as well. MLAT controls cross border law enforcement subpoena requests between numerous countries. The UK and the US have a signed treaty.

If you want to see who has a treaty with who you can look here --> https://mlat.info/

I have a Canadian client that I deal with this issue on almost on a daily basis with US based law enforcement. I make local law enforcement jump through the MLAT hoops in regards to subpoenas.

I used to be able to make the US FBI and US DOJ jump through the same MLAT hoops however, they have smartened up. Now they just contact the Canadian Royal Mounted Police so they provide the subpoena to my client and then they provide whatever information they get directly to the FBI/DOJ. No hoop jumping since the Mounties have jurisdiction.

So the UK's Ministry of Justice could do the same with the US Department of Justice and just have them submit the subpoena's to Godaddy or any of the other US based registrars and get the information rather easily.

cordoba · 01-20-2018, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

Not one for all of them. One for each of them. A lot has to do with international treaties as well. MLAT controls cross border law enforcement subpoena requests between numerous countries. The UK and the US have a signed treaty.

I would estimate that come this summer, there will be at least one million adult sites online without age verification for the UK. That's a hell of a lot of work for the UK authorities to send off individual subpeonas for each site.

Of course, maybe they just wont bother unless the site in question is hardanalpornhub.co.uk with a milllion daily uk visitors. But the point is the original post in this thread was a guy asking if it was safe for him to visit the UK and would it be likely to be arrested by border control. No, unless he has a huge site that has huge UK traffic. In other words, the UK wont have a huge big brother database of every webmaster in the world who runs a porn site that does not have UK verification - that would involve issuing a million or more requests to registrars and hosts for private information.

In any case, they would have the legal power to ask for that information only for British based webmasters (i.e. you are breaking British law), and if the webmaster has whois protection, how do they know the webmaster is British based? The UK has the right to block foreign sites that do not have age verification, but unless you are a British based webmaster, you are not 'breaking the law'. Even if you are British based, from what I've read, you will be served an enforcement notice to which you will have a year or something to comply with (i.e. introduce age verification) or face a fine.

01-15-2018, 08:26 PM	#6
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 70,144	We've had this discussion before with 2257, haven't we? US laws do not apply to citizens in the UK. The UK cannot enforce laws on other countries. I've always thought 2257 was over hyped. It's a record keeping law. Every industry has record keeping laws. I have a friend who is an engineer with the local rail road company and his job is to go from railroad crossing to railroad crossing and inspect them and then file the paperwork. It's also like the Spam Can law - it makes bulk emailing legal. Same thing with 2257. It made our business legal. __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

01-16-2018, 08:40 AM	#9
Petra Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 512	This was discussed at the panel during the Amsterdam show. 1. Every other country is watching the UK. If they're successful, expect them to jump on board. 2. Block your IP 3. Take away your .co.uk domain if you have one 4. They have been talking to google to get them on board with blacklisting those that don't comply 5. They're in talks with visa and mastercard to drop those who aren't complying IF #4 and #5 are correct and can happen, that means they'll be able to stretch beyond their boarders which is kind of a chilling thought. I don't want to sell porn to kids anymore than the next person here but if the UK is able to control the internet like that... holy shit. __________________ Petra - Freeones.com token American on Tuesdays and Fridays ICQ - 473988097 SKYPE - petra.ann Email - [email protected]

01-16-2018, 09:53 AM	#11
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01-16-2018, 12:34 PM	#18
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,156	The UK - like any country and government - is limited in what it can and cannot do to enforce a law like this. Besides, the UK hasn't even worked out the particulars yet and I suspect when they Do they just may drop the whole thing. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold (Coming Soon) Over 90 paysites to promote! ICQ: 579915163 Skype: peabodymedia

01-16-2018, 01:19 PM	#21
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01-15-2018, 06:40 PM	#1
sarettah l8r Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,484	GFY Lawyers - Do U.S. webmasters have any responsibility to comply with UK Age Verification? Like the title says: Do U.S. webmasters have any responsibility to comply with UK age verification rules? I would think that there is nothing the U.K. could do other than possibly block access to a site but I could be wrong, I often am. Should affiliates be bouncing UK traffic directly to our sponsors instead of allowing them into our free site/gallery/TGP/whatever version of an affiliate site we have? Expiring minds want to know. Thanks in advance for your on-topic responses. .

01-15-2018, 07:27 PM	#2
Qbert Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 813	AFAIK they still haven't announced how they plan to enforce this. A list of global non-UK web sites that need to be blocked by UK Internet providers would be massive and all but impossible to maintain.

01-15-2018, 07:33 PM	#3
PornDiscounts-V Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: L.A. Posts: 5,739	Yes and no. Yes - If you plan to visit the UK you should be following their laws or you might not make it out of customs through the standard exit doors. No - if you don't plan to go there, they really have no way to enforce this measure. __________________ Blog Posts - Contextual Links - Hardlinks on 600+ Blog Network * Handwritten * 180 C Class IPs * Permanent! * Many Niches! * Bulk Discounts! GFYPosts /at/ J2Media.net

01-15-2018, 08:00 PM	#4
SpicyM Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,491	If you are not a UK citizen and/or you are not located within their borders.. than why would you even think they could enforce this to you? With this logic, we would have to comply with every single law of every single country in the world. LOL.. Even if you planned to visit UK, they would need to run a list of all webmasters who are not compliant.. which is impossible and I doubt that gathering and storing private information regarding foreigners who have nothing to do with their country, so they could not brake their laws, would be legal... of course, as long as you are not wanted by Interpol. LOL. You can't brake their law if you are not physically in UK / or if you are not a UK citizen located abroad. If you plan to visit, just block UK to be safe + use private whois.

01-15-2018, 08:10 PM	#5
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,156	The most they could do is block your site. Perhaps they will have something in place on the ISP level that if a site does not have an AVS code on the page they will automatically block you and store your server IP. Beyond that? Highly doubtful. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold (Coming Soon) Over 90 paysites to promote! ICQ: 579915163 Skype: peabodymedia

01-16-2018, 03:14 PM	#24
SpicyM Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,491	There would have to be some connection with UK, either territorial (you committed crime on their ground) , or personal (you are a citized of UK, or committed crime against a citized of UK abroad where it is also illegal), or some sort of serious international crime (like terrorism) in case they could arrest you.

01-16-2018, 07:26 PM	#25
sarettah l8r Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,484	Thanks for all the replies. .

01-17-2018, 09:11 AM	#28
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	They can block your site, which if only partly effective will bring down your profit margins. Big sites like Twitter, etc. Will be key. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

01-17-2018, 04:38 PM	#39
Relentless www.EngineFood.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,698	The traffic and sales of noncompliant websites within the UK will be reapportioned among sites that are compliant. If you have significant traffic and sales from UK traffic now, make sure you become compliant immediately. It's not about them suing you in the US... it's about them blocking your url entirely at the ISP level within the UK.

01-17-2018, 04:48 PM	#40
sarettah l8r Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,484	I think that when/if it goes into effect that I will just bounce UK IPs directly to my sponsors and let them handle it. .

01-18-2018, 04:23 PM	#43
sarettah l8r Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,484	Magneto664, your camsdepot is throwing a 504:Gateway error on me. Just thought I would let you know. .

01-19-2018, 11:39 AM	#45
VRPdommy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 8,810	Everyone really needs to turn the tables on this issue. Force the government to create a Virtual ID to validate age. Just as we might have for the purchase of tobacco or alcohol. Yes, I know that is not likely to happen. But if you are not asking for something, what do you have to compromise with.