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Old 03-21-2018, 02:32 AM   #51
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how do you account that whitey kills by far the most?...

paul you need to keep a journal, we have discussed this like 10x LOL your alzheimers is progressing...
Research why Serbia went into Bosnia and killed so many Muslims. Not just for me but others reading this.
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Islam was built by Mohammed leading a horde of Arabs and killing all who didn't subjugate to his higher military power. Today where they can they use the same tactics against other Muslims. In Western countries they are bombing, but their main tool is politics electing Muslims into power. The Mayor of London is a Muslims, how many other cities have Muslims running them?
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Research why Serbia went into Bosnia and killed so many Muslims. Not just for me but others reading this.
you have severe alzheimers...serbia was not even in the war I told you this like 10x...

1) keep a journal...it will help you with being wrong about everything all the time
2) see a good alzheimers doctor to get you some medication
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you have severe alzheimers...serbia was not even in the war I told you this like 10x...

1) keep a journal...it will help you with being wrong about everything all the time
2) see a good alzheimers doctor to get you some medication
Serbia war on Google.

Who has Alzheimer's? Or who is a liar?

Now Google why it happened. I dare you to find the truth.
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Serbia war on Google.

Who has Alzheimer's? Or who is a liar?

Now Google why it happened. I dare you to find the truth.
He is too invested in being a victim of the West and blaming his life's failures on a distant country.
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Serbia war on Google.

Who has Alzheimer's? Or who is a liar?

Now Google why it happened. I dare you to find the truth.
you have alzheimer paul...serbia did not take part in the bosnian war...but I guess your expired brain can not store new information
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you have alzheimer paul...serbia did not take part in the bosnian war...but I guess your expired brain can not store new information
So it was a large group of Serbians who formed an army and went into Bosnia killing people. And the Serbian Government allowed it to happen.

Why did Serbians invade Bosnia. There you go I made it easier for your addled brain.
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He is too invested in being a victim of the West and blaming his life's failures on a distant country.
Serbia was warned to stop the genocide. There were UN peacekeepers trying to keep the two sides apart. Some were killed in the fight. Planes that were trying to overfly the area to check what was going on were fired upon by Serbians. It was only when the bombing started that the genocide was stopped. It was Serbians who brought it on themselves.

Maybe he was bombed and blames the US for trying to stop the genocide Serbians were carrying out.
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So it was a large group of Serbians who formed an army and went into Bosnia killing people. And the Serbian Government allowed it to happen.

Why did Serbians invade Bosnia. There you go I made it easier for your addled brain.
paul your brain has expired...no link you post is worth even clicking on
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Serbia was warned to stop the genocide. There were UN peacekeepers trying to keep the two sides apart. Some were killed in the fight. Planes that were trying to overfly the area to check what was going on were fired upon by Serbians. It was only when the bombing started that the genocide was stopped. It was Serbians who brought it on themselves.

Maybe he was bombed and blames the US for trying to stop the genocide Serbians were carrying out.
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Serbia was warned to stop the genocide. There were UN peacekeepers trying to keep the two sides apart. Some were killed in the fight. Planes that were trying to overfly the area to check what was going on were fired upon by Serbians. It was only when the bombing started that the genocide was stopped. It was Serbians who brought it on themselves.

Maybe he was bombed and blames the US for trying to stop the genocide Serbians were carrying out.
There are few problems here Paul, and whatever that is said, no one would change the opinion (it is still possible but people rarely accept a different view). Some of the important things

1. You believe in an "official" version of events in the same way Tommy believe in Guardian stuff he posted (official on the part of the world where you are from).
2. No one invaded anything, it was the same country in the same way war in Syria is not invading self-proclaimed Islamic state. (or in the same way as US didn't invade "Republic Of Texas " when chasing and killing separatist.)
3. What no one is telling you there is that USA exclusively fired up and helped problems to escalate. Especially in Bosnia, where Croats, Serbs, and Muslims accepted an agreement before all the mess. Guess what, upon getting advice in the USA, Muslim leader retreaded from peace treaty. They knew they are the weakest side there but they needed war go get their "state" they are enjoying now while breeding extremists and Jihadist in Europe.
4. For example, you are somehow missing that USA was dropping and arming Muslims in Tuzla, while there was a peace treaty on power and attempt of de-escalation, then I don't have a real comment.
5. I know, the next things guys like you will mention is Srebrenica, totally neglecting, ignoring what happened there, how Muslims were slaughtering Christian Serbs and then running away in "safe UN zone" under the protection of their western allies for months or even years.
6. As you noticed in Spain, no one supported and armed separatist and there was no war. Of course, Spain is NATO member and a loyal ally of USA. Yugoslavia wasn't NATO member and the population is strongly divided based on a long historical heritage that is beyond comprehension someone coming from a country only few hundred years old.
7. As mentioned, you sincerely believe in one version like other people sincerely believe in other versions. This is when wars and violence starts. What you should ask your Muslim friends that obviously influenced your opinion is what they think about war and country dissolution now, after all these years and was that a smart move. (ask people that actually lived both countries, not some kids born after the war).
8. I won't mention staged massacres like Markale market because it was a prototype of how to get attention, sympathy, and support on a political and military level.Something we are now seeing constantly in all "modern" conflicts and wars (crap about mass graves, poisoning, mass rape, etc). I won't waste time, listing, explaining because I know that people like you won't accept other view and I know very well how propaganda can shape people and their beliefs (and where that goes).
9. At the end, Cruscificio, or whatever his name is (he is on my block list together with Bladewire) is not a real Serb, he is some mixture of a Muslim probably and this is where from his hate toward USA is coming. Not that I care, just mentioning like other things above.

Conclusion: things are much more complicated than you have perception, even from a point of a seriously educated people in the area of region history. Now, this was a usual waste of time on GFY, it is better than I've spent it on optimizing some new pages and that's exactly what I am going to do right now.
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Serbia war on Google.

Who has Alzheimer's? Or who is a liar?

Now Google why it happened. I dare you to find the truth.
Do not bother arguing Paul, they all drank the koolaid...Sad
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There are few problems here Paul, and whatever that is said, no one would change the opinion (it is still possible but people rarely accept a different view). Some of the important things

1. You believe in an "official" version of events in the same way Tommy believe in Guardian stuff he posted (official on the part of the world where you are from).
2. No one invaded anything, it was the same country in the same way war in Syria is not invading self-proclaimed Islamic state. (or in the same way as US didn't invade "Republic Of Texas " when chasing and killing separatist.)
3. What no one is telling you there is that USA exclusively fired up and helped problems to escalate. Especially in Bosnia, where Croats, Serbs, and Muslims accepted an agreement before all the mess. Guess what, upon getting advice in the USA, Muslim leader retreaded from peace treaty. They knew they are the weakest side there but they needed war go get their "state" they are enjoying now while breeding extremists and Jihadist in Europe.
4. For example, you are somehow missing that USA was dropping and arming Muslims in Tuzla, while there was a peace treaty on power and attempt of de-escalation, then I don't have a real comment.
5. I know, the next things guys like you will mention is Srebrenica, totally neglecting, ignoring what happened there, how Muslims were slaughtering Christian Serbs and then running away in "safe UN zone" under the protection of their western allies for months or even years.
6. As you noticed in Spain, no one supported and armed separatist and there was no war. Of course, Spain is NATO member and a loyal ally of USA. Yugoslavia wasn't NATO member and the population is strongly divided based on a long historical heritage that is beyond comprehension someone coming from a country only few hundred years old.
7. As mentioned, you sincerely believe in one version like other people sincerely believe in other versions. This is when wars and violence starts. What you should ask your Muslim friends that obviously influenced your opinion is what they think about war and country dissolution now, after all these years and was that a smart move. (ask people that actually lived both countries, not some kids born after the war).
8. I won't mention staged massacres like Markale market because it was a prototype of how to get attention, sympathy, and support on a political and military level.Something we are now seeing constantly in all "modern" conflicts and wars (crap about mass graves, poisoning, mass rape, etc). I won't waste time, listing, explaining because I know that people like you won't accept other view and I know very well how propaganda can shape people and their beliefs (and where that goes).
9. At the end, Cruscificio, or whatever his name is (he is on my block list together with Bladewire) is not a real Serb, he is some mixture of a Muslim probably and this is where from his hate toward USA is coming. Not that I care, just mentioning like other things above.

Conclusion: things are much more complicated than you have perception, even from a point of a seriously educated people in the area of region history. Now, this was a usual waste of time on GFY, it is better than I've spent it on optimizing some new pages and that's exactly what I am going to do right now.
I know all that.

I wanted Crusi to admit that the Muslims in Bosnia wanted to be separate. That they had been involved from the beginning and instigated a lot of violence and death. They were just doing what Muslims do all around the world.

They came off losing the war and the Coalition forces had to bomb Serbia to stop them.

The reason for the Muslims in Bosnia has to be a legacy of the Ottoman Invasion of Europe. They got as far as Vienna and the weather more than anything defeated them. The principles of Ottoman rule in the Balkans
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I know all that.

I wanted Crusi to admit that the Muslims in Bosnia wanted to be separate. That they had been involved from the beginning and instigated a lot of violence and death. They were just doing what Muslims do all around the world.

They came off losing the war and the Coalition forces had to bomb Serbia to stop them.

The reason for the Muslims in Bosnia has to be a legacy of the Ottoman Invasion of Europe. They got as far as Vienna and the weather more than anything defeated them. The principles of Ottoman rule in the Balkans
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it may be written somewhere but it is not factual reality...I have been to too many islamic countries and met too many people and seen too many non-mulisms living there to know this is not true at all...keep in mind I was in butt fuck places that are not even used to tourists...they are normal people who were genuinely happy to see me and wanted nothing more from me than to chat and drink tea...
It's hard to argue against the fact that there are fine people all over the Islamic lands, in fact, I wish to travel some myself, Iran, Lebanon, even the very heart of the Islamic world - the house of Saud, out of personal interest.

But that doesn't entail me to apologize and justify Islamic mass migration to non-Islamic lands. As a general rule, and as history proves it again and again, assimilation is only possible on an individual, not on a group level. And this doesn't take into account an antagonistic civilization.

If major hordes of individuals from Islamic civilization in such a short time enter a non-Islamic civilization - it's a recipe for disaster, and a sure clash of civilizations. Not only does our civilization have very little in common with the Islamic civilization, it's moral code is entirely antagonistic to the Islamic moral and ethical code. The Islamic ethics is based on its supremacy.

It's not a coincidence that Islam has been in constant conflict and war throughout the history (and still is pretty much whenever in the world there is Islam mixing with non-Islamic population). It is written in its doctrine and DNA.

This can perhaps mix on an individual level, but never on a group, and certainly not on an ideological level. Even the nicest Muslim in the world will not save you from the influence Islam as an ideology has over its followers.

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the 1000-s of churches may be from the conquests but they were not torn down and the infidels were not purged...the proof is in the pudding...
Here's an example - Annatolya, today's Turkey, used to be a Christian country. In the year 1453 the Constantinopole fell to the Ottoman empire. Those barricading in many of the Churches were burned alive, followed by mass executions, looting and capturing of tens of thousands of Christian slaves. Hagia Sofia was converted into a Mosque (Btw. this is a symbolic act anytime Islam conquers a new territory - Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem was also built as a symbol of conquest).

Aftermath the Christians were allowed to return to their homes, given there were any homes left. But Sharia (Islamic rule) was imposed, the Christians could continue to live there under Islamic rule, but became the second class citizens aka "dhimmis". The pressure of living in a second class citizen status forced them, over time, to either convert or to flee.

Today, Turkey is 99.7 pct. Islamic, the amount of non-Islamic population perhaps wouldn't be able even to fill the housing that still remains intact since the classical civilization was conquered. The remaining Churches may be visited by tourists.

This is a more recent example, but the same faith met pretty much all those (today) Islamic countries outside of the Arabian peninsula (which was originally also inhabited by Jews, Christians and Pagans, but these were cleansed and conquered still throughout Mohammad's life). Today - the Islamization continues mostly in Africa, and in the Western Europe.

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you are taking this waaay to seriously....I mean you are free to believe what ever you wish but what you are saying simply is not true...
No I'm not free to believe whatever I wish, there is a difference between a belief and a reason. One can believe that Earth is flat but that doesn't hold ground when confronted with the reason.

About taking it seriously, to the contrary, I don't think we take it seriously at all, certainly not that seriously as a certain other group, let's see a few examples:

Who's demanding Islamic clothing?
Who's demanding Halal food?
Who's demanding Islamic schools?
Who's demanding Sharia courts in Europe?
Who's demanding punishment for anybody that criticizes Islam? Involved in frequent law fare aka legal feud against anybody criticizing Islam?
Who invented the artificial term "Islamophobia" in order to use it for any criticism of Islam?
Who already pretty much bullied the western governments, the corporations, the mass media, the social networks, to basically enforce the Islamic blasphemy laws? (Sharia principle: "no criticism of Islam is allowed")
Who's demanding prayer rooms in public square with special plumbing?
Who's frequently manifesting their power with mass demonstrations and mass prayer in the public square?
Who's staring their first Islamic political parties?
Who's the number one group per capita as a perpetrator of "hate crime" Hoaxes in the US? Taking advantage of the fake "victim" status
Who did use political correctness to bully Hollywood into not portraying villains in their high budget movies as Muslims? (not kidding, this is documented)
Who did use political correctness to bully FBI under Obama to drop all mentions of Islam or Jihad from their counter-terror manuals in 2011?
Who recently persuaded Google to alter its search results to prefer more "favorable" results?
Who is trying to re-write the history and gets involved in "approval" of educational texts that involve the history if Islam?
Who has a network of organizations present in pretty much every western university?
Who's financing Islamic literature and sermons in prisons in order to get new converts? (with major success)


Again to better understand this, this is all in accordance with the Sharia principle of "establishing command over the Kuffar civilization". Once you submit to one demand, three more demands will follow tomorrow.

This I call dedication - btw. have you ever seen just one of those "moderate Muslims" concerned or speaking against any of the above? For sure not, and this has much more effect in advancing the influence of Islam on society than violent Jihad (even the Charlie Hebdo massacre certainly made journalists not to re-post the Mohammad cartoons ever after).

Perhaps it is time to take Islam more seriously, now that it's past our doorstep.

I may try to address the third point of western intervention as well sometime later.
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my advice to you is to go and visit some islamic countries...you are simply too misinformed...it is a pity you spent so much time researching info that misrepresents factual reality to such an extent...

they are going through hard times, the west is not helping at all...most muslims are "religious" and not really religious...mosques are not bursting full...they smoke weed...they drink alcohol...they watch porn and they have hookers (only much more discrete)...they are not plotting against you even if a handful are...they drink lots of tea but not coffee...

if a FEW of them are asking for shariah zones/halal shit etc its like that transgender bathroom crap...some people ask for stupid shit but that does not mean much...there is no plot against the west...or the east or anybody else...

we have jehovas witnesses (I think) here is serbia and they ring door to door and want to talk about the lord...its no plot...its just dumb asses being dumb asses...
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Islam was built by Mohammed leading a horde of Arabs and killing all who didn't subjugate to his higher military power. Today where they can they use the same tactics against other Muslims. In Western countries they are bombing, but their main tool is politics electing Muslims into power. The Mayor of London is a Muslims, how many other cities have Muslims running them?
thats some bull lol.

muhammad created the constitution of medina... the constitution america copied (freedom of religion, etc)
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we have jehovas witnesses (I think) here is serbia and they ring door to door and want to talk about the lord...its no plot...its just dumb asses being dumb asses...
LOL yeah muslims...Just like Jehovah's Witnesses..they just want to ring your doorbell and talk about islam..that's all...harmless
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thats some bull lol.

muhammad created the constitution of medina... the constitution america copied (freedom of religion, etc)
It would be great if he had stuck to his own writings. His later orders showed that he abandoned so thoughts of freedom of religion.

Why did he take an army to Mecca to defeat the believers of pagan religions? Who were placing religious artefacts around a meteorite that had smashed into the Earth? Now it's known as the Kaaba Stone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

Black Stone of Mecca, Hajj - Crystalinks

Even their myths are fake. It's just a meteorite that fell onto the Earth. Are we to worship other such stones from space?
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LOL yeah muslims...Just like Jehovah's Witnesses..they just want to ring your doorbell and talk about islam..that's all...harmless
yeah americans...just want to spread democracy..."liberate"...clinton/bush/arms lobby all misunderstood...

who created/trained/funded ISIS and alquaeda?

a) americans
b) americans
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It would be great if he had stuck to his own writings. His later orders showed that he abandoned so thoughts of freedom of religion.

Why did he take an army to Mecca to defeat the believers of pagan religions? Who were placing religious artefacts around a meteorite that had smashed into the Earth? Now it's known as the Kaaba Stone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

Black Stone of Mecca, Hajj - Crystalinks

Even their myths are fake. It's just a meteorite that fell onto the Earth. Are we to worship other such stones from space?
meanwhile in europe people got burned on the steak for witchcraft and heresy...europeans were slaughtering each other and colonizing the rest of the world...for example the civilized civilized UK was murdering 100-s of millions...only 21 countries in the world the civilized UK did not invade

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my advice to you is to go and visit some islamic countries...you are simply too misinformed...it is a pity you spent so much time researching info that misrepresents factual reality to such an extent...

they are going through hard times, the west is not helping at all...most muslims are "religious" and not really religious...mosques are not bursting full...they smoke weed...they drink alcohol...they watch porn and they have hookers (only much more discrete)...they are not plotting against you even if a handful are...they drink lots of tea but not coffee...

if a FEW of them are asking for shariah zones/halal shit etc its like that transgender bathroom crap...some people ask for stupid shit but that does not mean much...there is no plot against the west...or the east or anybody else...

we have jehovas witnesses (I think) here is serbia and they ring door to door and want to talk about the lord...its no plot...its just dumb asses being dumb asses...
And where am I factually wrong? Can you dispute anything I noted apart from that "not all Muslims" which I didn't claim, and that wouldn't even make sense to claim in the first place? Again, I'm talking ideology and its effects on those that follow and not follow it alike.

And yes I saw first hand how an Islamic community looks like - in Western Europe, it was puzzling. Exactly THAT first hand experience was the primary reason why I got interested in the topic, in order to establish a criticial view on this issue.

And that presence in Europe is frankly the only thing that interests me, I have no business in their lands, apart from as a visitor, or trade. I don't really care how they govern their lands and how many of them will be nice or not.

What I've noted above are just some real manifestations of the ideology in practice, in the history, and what's their basis in the doctrine of Islam. These things are real, do exist, do happen, even on a regular basis. But only if one knows the civilization, its foundation and principles can one be able to understand WHY is this happening.

That something isn't talked about doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and closing one's eyes doesn't make it go away. Of course there will be various levels of dedication among the followers of ANY ideology, but the principal question would be - why should anyone advocate for an ideology where one has to rely on its followers NOT following it?
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This whole argument is quite silly...

ISIS declared war, the World should declare war back and intern ALL of those suspected of jihhad into POW camps. The guy in South of France yesterday would not have been able to commit 4 murders.

Further who is NOT in uniform like this:



When arrested should be treated as spy and shot...No different then in World War 2...

Simple ;)

They try to kill us and we give them shelter and welfare...

Stupid ;)
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And where am I factually wrong? Can you dispute anything I noted apart from that "not all Muslims" which I didn't claim, and that wouldn't even make sense to claim in the first place? Again, I'm talking ideology and its effects on those that follow and not follow it alike.

And yes I saw first hand how an Islamic community looks like - in Western Europe, it was puzzling. Exactly THAT first hand experience was the primary reason why I got interested in the topic, in order to establish a criticial view on this issue.

And that presence in Europe is frankly the only thing that interests me, I have no business in their lands, apart from as a visitor, or trade. I don't really care how they govern their lands and how many of them will be nice or not.

What I've noted above are just some real manifestations of the ideology in practice, in the history, and what's their basis in the doctrine of Islam. These things are real, do exist, do happen, even on a regular basis. But only if one knows the civilization, its foundation and principles can one be able to understand WHY is this happening.

That something isn't talked about doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and closing one's eyes doesn't make it go away. Of course there will be various levels of dedication among the followers of ANY ideology, but the principal question would be - why should anyone advocate for a totalitarian ideology where one has to rely on its followers NOT following it?
out of the 50+ islamic countries in the world it is a totalitarian ideology in maybe 4-5...in the others its just a religion and nothing more than that...in the vast majority of countries it is like christianity is in the west...

you place way too much importance on specific parts of their religion and focus too much on things that are not as prevalent in real life...you guys get a lot of real refugees from buttfuck places, basically rubes and this gives you a skewed picture of what life is really like in islamic countries...for example I am ashamed of most of my country men abroad because most, not all, are dumb ass rednecks...I would not want to live with them either LOL

you have to take in to account that journalism is not really about telling the boring truth but more about selling news and getting clicks...sensationalism and fear sell...the boring truth does not...journalism has become a desperate profession and in a world where the internet gives everybody a soap box, the "more interesting" versions of the truth will always win in a sea of soap boxes...
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