Trump Talks of leaving NATO! - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 01-18-2019, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG

i would write an answer but since you usually don't read or understand anything that doesn't fit your views, it'd be pointless.

also large amounts of articles and videos have covered this and still you parrot Trumps false narrative

anyways - just click on anything here

https://www.google.com/search?q=trum...hrome&ie=UTF-8

First article I read. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/11/p...ner/index.html

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NATO was formed after World War II on the principle of collective defense: An attack on one or more members is considered an attack against all. It's been invoked only once -- to help the US after the September 11 terrorist attacks.

For collective defense to work, the 29 members have to keep their armed forces in good shape, so NATO sets an official target on how much they should spend, which they call a "guideline." That stands at 2% of GDP.

There is no penalty for not meeting the 2% target. Each country decides how much it is going to spend and what it will spend on. If one country spends less or more than the guideline, other countries are not obliged to follow suit.

Second article I read. Donald Trump Says NATO Allies Owe the U.S. Money. He'''s Wrong | Time

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“President Trump does not appear to understand that the 2% of GDP spending by the allies is a guideline, not a mandate,” said James Stavridis, retired U.S. Navy admiral who commanded all NATO forces and is now dean of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. “He tends to liken the situation to a need to hound golfers for not paying their dues at the local country club. While it makes sense to pressure the Europeans to hit the 2% goal, we must avoid splitting the alliance over the issue.”

Third articleI read.

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He added: “During our meeting, I thanked Chancellor Merkel for the German government’s commitment to increase defense spending and work toward contributing at least 2% of GDP.”

Trump’s tweets on Saturday suggested a misunderstanding of the way Nato is funded. According to Nato’s official guidelines, member nations are expected to spend at least 2% of their country’s gross domestic product (GDP) on defense. However, only a handful of the 28 members actually that target.

At a 2014 summit in Wales, members pledged to increase their military spending to 2% of GDP by 2024, a goal some have said is unachievable and unrealistic for several member states.

Trump disagrees with the way NATO is funded and it's clear he is right. With other rich and poor nations all dodging their commitment.

This is why. https://www.euronews.com/2018/07/10/...try-by-country

The EU has committed to raise more in the future.

Paul Markham · 01-18-2019, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

NATO is a good thing.

Common sense.

Strength in numbers.

If the past pro Putin president hadn't put a hold on the Ukraines NATO enrollment they'd be protected by NATO now.

Putin hates NATO

Exactly. That's why nations not contributing to the cost need to step up.

Paul Markham · 01-18-2019, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

there are MANY things done individually by country.
germany is financing the most of the refugee camps outside of europe.
financing schools and help industry.
without that help the africans would already run over europe because they don´t even have enough water to survive - we help them find water and building an economy that can feed them in a few decades.

but apart from that there is also a EU project called WOSCAP.

i am sure you do not search for something like that as you are only interested in the fake information that fits into your brain.

you would also never search for innovations of the porn industry as you would not stand it to see that you failed miserably.

you only believe in stuff that make others guilty for your own inabilities.

I am pretty sure that you even lost the sponsoring of your GFY account for this reason as a company that sponsors you will not see any advantage in that.

So Germany is inviting immigrants in, without checking them, then decides it's vote loser and decides to unload them onto countries who don't want them.

Then it's drilling for water in areas where the biggest problem is over population.

It's building the economy in Africa, so they can feed themselves. Will that mean more German jobs going to Africa?

Africa is a lost cause until it severely limits it's population. Europe was starting to do it, until it decided to let in cultures that have no intention of birth control. I've explained this to you many times but it fails to sink in. The industrial revolution was a game changer, machines started to do the work 10, 20, 50 people do by hand. Population size has no effect on economies. In the 21st century it's even more obvious. Output is everything, whether one man or 1,000 or millions turn it out.

However damage to the land is something that's directly linked to population size.

Paul Markham · 01-18-2019, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

talking about the NATO and trump´s funny idea to leave the NATO we should first look back WHERE it came from and WHY.

NATO was installed at the behest of america to have a defensive wall against the russians in europe.
So actually the west has protected the USA because the bombs would have fallen on us first.

in addition, NATO is not an association or federation. it is a mutual promise of help by nations that have their own military (except island which is a NATO member but has no military and therefore no military expenditure).

Just because the US has a defence budget that reflects almost half of the world's defence spending does not mean that every country has to do throw it´s prosperity into a war that is not present.

russia, for example, spends 66 billion on its military - why 700 billion or even 1 trillion (what is the complete budget of all NATO countries)?

Trump is a business man, he goes into negotiations playing hard. I very much doubt he will ever leave, but he wants Europe to pay more to make sure no bombs land on it first.

Bladewire · 01-18-2019, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Trump is a business man, he goes into negotiations playing hard. I very much doubt he will ever leave, but he wants Europe to pay more to make sure no bombs land on it first.

You are a fucking idiot

Sarn · 01-18-2019, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

aidsbrain, you can nitpick the peanuts out of my shit, and there is a difference between need and have...he is a racket provider and has bitches...like the USA does not need allies...it has bitches however...the weak ass euro army means shit...aint nobody gonna invade the USA ever...what a fake ass "alliance"...bitch euro countries need to grow some big hairy balls and acquire "off"...what a bunch of weak ass bitches...they DESERVE to be bitches...I hate to admit it but it is so...

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Exactly. That's why nations not contributing to the cost need to step up.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-18-2019, 06:16 AM

here is my ideal alliance...it is exactly what the invaders do not want you to have and it is completely detrimental to their rigged conventional warfare game...so it becomes your duty to do exactly the opposite of what invaders want...why pay for protection when you can make others pay you to leave you alone?

MaDalton · 01-18-2019, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

First article I read. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/11/p...ner/index.html

Second article I read. Donald Trump Says NATO Allies Owe the U.S. Money. He'''s Wrong | Time

Third articleI read.

Trump disagrees with the way NATO is funded and it's clear he is right. With other rich and poor nations all dodging their commitment.

This is why. https://www.euronews.com/2018/07/10/...try-by-country

The EU has committed to raise more in the future.

all this effort and still you miss the same main point as Trump - the NATO has no bank account where members send money.

the 2% guideline has been accepted, members are working towards that - suddenly Trump brings up 4%

the thing is: besides the US no country is willing to spend that much money on fucking military - rightfully so.

Also: people (like you) complain about higher taxes - where the fuck do you think the money for military spending comes from?

What are you willing to sacrifice for that? The low cost healthcare that saved yours and Evas life? The free education for your daughter? The inexpensive and perfectly organized public transportation?

What, Paul? What are you giving up on or how much more are you willing to pay to buy more weapons? Tell me.

thommy · 01-18-2019, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

First article I read. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/11/p...ner/index.html

Second article I read. Donald Trump Says NATO Allies Owe the U.S. Money. He'''s Wrong | Time

Third articleI read.

Trump disagrees with the way NATO is funded and it's clear he is right. With other rich and poor nations all dodging their commitment.

This is why. https://www.euronews.com/2018/07/10/...try-by-country

The EU has committed to raise more in the future.

if every nato partner would spend EXACTLY the 2% it would be less not more you donkey

thommy · 01-18-2019, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Europe was starting to do it, until it decided to let in cultures that have no intention of birth control

sadly birth control was not existing when you was made !

thommy · 01-18-2019, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Trump is a business man, he goes into negotiations playing hard.

he is well skilled in bankruptcy !

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I very much doubt he will ever leave, but he wants Europe to pay more to make sure no bombs land on it first.

what a stupid moron are you ?

if just ONE bomb (what costs less than a million) lands on us no fucking army will help us anymore.

i did never hear that a shirk brain can shrink more but you prove the opposite.

Bladewire · 01-18-2019, 07:56 AM

Paul Markham supports a vulnerable & weak EU, UK, Canada & America

pimpmaster9000 · 01-18-2019, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Paul Markham supports a vulnerable & weak EU, UK, Canada & America

so do I

Bladewire · 01-18-2019, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

so do I

Yes but you are a brown uncut Muslim, Paul Markham is circumsized & white.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-18-2019, 08:13 AM

Delusional invader ambassador gets roasted by the entire population of serbia:

https://twitter.com/usambserbia/stat...21158908780544

delusional klingon ambassador: 10 years since the invader embassy in serbia was burned down and a life was lost and more than a million dollars damage and nobody has been held accountable

reply: you should see what some savages did to the chineese embassy in belgrade, you would be amazed (americans bombed it)

more proof that we should nuke/bacteria up right away...americans are too delusional to even function normally...their double standards are bigger than the known universe and expanding at speeds greater than light....

Bladewire · 01-18-2019, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

Delusional invader ambassador gets roasted by the entire population of serbia:

https://twitter.com/usambserbia/stat...21158908780544

delusional klingon ambassador: 10 years since the invader embassy in serbia was burned down and a life was lost and more than a million dollars damage and nobody has been held accountable

reply: you should see what some savages did to the chineese embassy in belgrade, you would be amazed (americans bombed it)

more proof that we should nuke/bacteria up right away...americans are too delusional to even function normally...their double standards are bigger than the known universe and expanding at speeds greater than light....

ghjghj · 01-18-2019, 08:49 AM

pimpmaster9000 · 01-18-2019, 09:49 AM

Americans bomb us but expect us to arrest people who burned down the invader embassy while they were bombing us AND their ambassador complains about it in serbian and tweets it to serbs...at the same time, america bombs the china embassy in belgrade by mistake and never pays a dime...crippety cripp! Cripp cripp hooray!

Dont forget to pay your protection money...not that they would actually die for you if pooty really wanted to invade, but they will cripp you if you dont pay...or you can actually grow some balls and develop the big boys toys...

Bladewire · 01-18-2019, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

Americans bomb us but expect us to arrest people who burned down the invader embassy while they were bombing us AND their ambassador complains about it in serbian and tweets it to serbs...at the same time, america bombs the china embassy in belgrade by mistake and never pays a dime...crippety cripp! Cripp cripp hooray!

Dont forget to pay your protection money...not that they would actually die for you if pooty really wanted to invade, but they will cripp you if you dont pay...or you can actually grow some balls and develop the big boys toys...

And you leave the country to lazy to rebuild that's how much you care about Serbia

You don't even care about your people you just use them as an excuse to trash America all day everyday.

pimpmaster9000 · 01-18-2019, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

And you leave the country to lazy to rebuild that's how much you care about Serbia

You don't even care about your people you just use them as an excuse to trash America all day everyday.

Delusional invader, I am under no obligation to clean up your shit...your american brain actually thinks that I will remain in the warzone you created to play your little war games...you...just...dont...get...it...

You are a loyal cripp...ill give you that...your brain is devoid of any critical thought against the gang...crippety cripp!

VRPdommy · 01-21-2019, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

Delusional invader, I am under no obligation to clean up your shit...your american brain actually thinks that I will remain in the warzone you created to play your little war games...you...just...dont...get...it...

You are a loyal cripp...ill give you that...your brain is devoid of any critical thought against the gang...crippety cripp!

I see this really is not really about NATO at all.
Please live well in the misery you create for yourself.

TheSquealer · 01-21-2019, 07:46 PM

directfiesta · 01-21-2019, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Trump is a business man, he goes into negotiations playing hard. I very much doubt he will ever leave, but he wants Europe to pay more to make sure no bombs land on it first.

lol ... this is really dumb ...

cordoba · 01-22-2019, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

but putin is the master of fake propaganda and he won already.

he got trump elected he gets britain in a hard brexit he got syria - he won in all and everything.

since trump russia´s anual growth rate is positive again and even the russian stocks market did very good under trump.

so i can see only one winner and his name is with no doubt putin.

Putin didn't need to use fake propaganda to persuade a majority of British people to vote for Brexit.

That's highly demeaning to the Brits who voted leave.

There are more EU workers in Britain than anywhere else in Europe. Something like a million Poles came to live and seek work in the UK overnight (they couldn't go to Germany because the oh so tolerant Germans had placed a five year 'transition' period on the new EU states). I come from a small industrial town in the UK which has suffered a lot of unemployment for decades. From what I'm told, all the employment agencies in that town are now mafias run by Poles who only give jobs to Poles. You go to certain coffee shop chains in British towns and every single barrista, as well as the manager, is Spanish (or in some towns Italian, or in some Czech etc). Do no young English people ever apply for a job in these places?

Britain fought in two world wars to prevent Europe being dominated by Germany, countless wars to prevent it being dominated by France, it's hardly surprising that there is/was some resistance to the UK being run from Paris or Berlin by faceless French and German pen pushers.

The EU is a protection racket, where countries fear the consequences of leaving/not joining, rather than joining because of any true value that the EU brings to Europe.

I can understand why Germany, with its awful history, is so keen on the EU. Germany can basically run Europe, as it has always wanted to, and under the name of Europe. It can virtue signal on the world stage by taking in millions of Third World immigrants with no clue how to ever integrate them peacefully into German secular society, then use EU rules to dump them across Europe - something that will only lead to nation states being further weakened. Instead of having to export its goods through the high value Deutschmark, it can can do so via the Euro, which is massively devalued in Germany and overvalued in Southern Europe.

But it's funny, now that EU immigration policies and resulting unemployment and Islamic terrorism is leading to a resurgence of right-wing populist parties all over Europe, it looks like the EU parliament might eventually become dominated not by globalist liberal progressives, but real right wing or even fascist parties. I wonder if the same people who ardently support the EU superstate now will do so then?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46955006

pimpmaster9000 · 01-22-2019, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I see this really is not really about NATO at all.
Please live well in the misery you create for yourself.

one day we will be free from you...unfortunately the only way to do this is to have our finger on the button all the time...you will be following our elections very very closely just like we are forced to follow yours...you deserve it

pimpmaster9000 · 01-22-2019, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cordoba

Britain fought in two world wars to prevent Europe being dominated by Germany, countless wars to prevent it being dominated by France, it's hardly surprising that there is/was some resistance to the UK being run from Paris or Berlin by faceless French and German pen pushers.
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there are only 22 countries in the world that the britain did not invade...what is happening to you is poetic justice...

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pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	here is my ideal alliance...it is exactly what the invaders do not want you to have and it is completely detrimental to their rigged conventional warfare game...so it becomes your duty to do exactly the opposite of what invaders want...why pay for protection when you can make others pay you to leave you alone? __________________ Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

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pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	Delusional invader ambassador gets roasted by the entire population of serbia: https://twitter.com/usambserbia/stat...21158908780544 delusional klingon ambassador: 10 years since the invader embassy in serbia was burned down and a life was lost and more than a million dollars damage and nobody has been held accountable reply: you should see what some savages did to the chineese embassy in belgrade, you would be amazed (americans bombed it) more proof that we should nuke/bacteria up right away...americans are too delusional to even function normally...their double standards are bigger than the known universe and expanding at speeds greater than light.... __________________ Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

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pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	Americans bomb us but expect us to arrest people who burned down the invader embassy while they were bombing us AND their ambassador complains about it in serbian and tweets it to serbs...at the same time, america bombs the china embassy in belgrade by mistake and never pays a dime...crippety cripp! Cripp cripp hooray! Dont forget to pay your protection money...not that they would actually die for you if pooty really wanted to invade, but they will cripp you if you dont pay...or you can actually grow some balls and develop the big boys toys...