BaldBastard

Its like pedo sites, blocked at every opportunity, sure the diehard fan will always find what they want, just that its not dangling there like a carrot for the gullible.

Bladewire

Umm OneHungLo is Vietnamese and lives in Vietnam

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imabro

Even if that is true, do you think that is a lot of money?

imabro

Great success

imabro

For someone that keeps reminding us you were a Marine, you seem clueless as to what constitutes an assault weapon.

OneHungLo

Nice try with the pedo analogy but it's way off since pedo shit is highly illegal. And there are many very simple solutions that can anyone can easily bypass your censoring government. It's a joke. It's basically virtue signaling on a grand scale.

Like I said, all across the world the right is rising. You have to face these facts.

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pimpmaster9000

and it is failing miserably LOL...hows the DOW?...no gain for a year?

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It's up 40% since Trump got elected. It will be at 30k very soon now that the fed said NO MORE RATE increases

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BaldBastard

Trump said.. "Expect four, five or six per cent GDP growth rates once my tax cuts, increase spending, trade policies and deregulation would will deliver. "

Reality is..

Fed officials now expect growth of only 2.1 per cent this year and 1.9 per cent in 2020

imabro

Talk about fake news. Do you get all your information from BladeLiar?

pimpmaster9000

Rate increases are a pathetic excuse for 0 growth in 1 year...rate increases happen all the time and never was there a 1 year crap?...magic beans are not growing...people are bound to notice sooner or later...

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Go to tradingview.com and enter DJI and zoom out 1 year and see for yourself...charts do not lie

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Busty2

More than enough to influance Chump into do nothing

Busty2

It's not even law yet, give it a chance, see what happens in April !

BaldBastard

laws coming but action has certainly already been taken:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/chr...sque-shootings

Arden announced: As an interim measure to ensure the trade of the weapons ceased at 3pm on Thursday, the weapons had been re-categorised as requiring an E endorsement on a firearms licence, preventing their sale to people with A category licences.
"This will mean that no-one will be able to buy these weapons without a permit to procure from the police. I can assure people that there is no point in applying for such a permit."

All sales have been stopped, new laws will be about buying back existing guns.

Bladewire

Liar

Trump lost the House last year because the right is failing & falling they can't even get a wall built to keep out brown people. Senator Fraser in New Zealand doesn't have the votes to continue he'll be voted out in May.

Busty2

Sure but you have these twats putting down the law as not working when it's not even been implemented, typical idiots.

OneHungLo

We're in a trade war, did you forget that? And yes you show your ignorance when you say rate hikes have no impact on the market.

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BaldBastard

Article From Murdoch Media In Australia

headline:
‘WHAT WILL IT TAKE?’ NZ action proves ‘there is a sickness in America’

https://www.news.com.au/world/pacifi...e1c5b6acf1c37a

How can America be expected to be taken seriously on any issue when they are so blind to this cancer in their own backyard?

What Australia and now New Zealand have done in the face of gun massacres shows the world how a civilised country responds to a threat not just to lives but social cohesion. It also throws into stark relief that for all our so-called shared beliefs and ideals, America might as well be another planet. Their constitution, their mindset and their sense of what sort of nation they want to be are drastically in need of radical reform.

To borrow from Ardern: They, sadly, are not us.

It turns out that the free world is not free at all. The world’s most self-satisfied nation is imprisoned in a time warp dating back to the War of Independence when America was a ragtag bunch of communities full of individualists suspicious of all government interference. The right to bear arms was enshrined in their constitution. In essence, it was every man for himself.
These days, the US is a military powerhouse that could knock over the world with one arm tied behind its back. The citizens don’t need to bear arms anymore.

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So.. How will Murdoch media cover this in the USA?, and WHY the difference... your being clucked..

USA 6 yrs after Sandy Hook
•Thoughts & prayers

New Zealand 6 days after Christchurch
•Ban semi automatic assault weapons
•Buyback program
•Pay for all funerals
•Provide income for harmed
•AND Thoughts & prayers

OneHungLo

The only person cucked by murdoch is you. He lives in your head rent free

And we have a constitution and a vastly different history than NZ.

Our constitution doesn't allow for us to make knee jerk reactions to change it - thank fucking god.

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VRPdommy

Well, I have listened to a bunch of BS about guns again.
Since so many want no regulation...
And if you are one of those...
Why not state how you would keep this from being a repetitive action nearly every few months.

I have yet to hear anything that would prevent this outside of a ban on assault weapons. That admittedly has little immediate effect.

And it will not keep it from happening. But it should be effective in keeping the number of folks killed down per indecent. But there are so many AR15 like weapons in the states, and I doubt anyone has the guts to go after them, so they will continue to be the weapons of choice for mass murder even if they are banned from sale today.

But I await a better idea and have yet to hear it. Doing nothing has brought us here and certainly is not the answer !

So some of you think you are smart by quoting material that is not relevant in this situation... now is your chance to show your smarts in stating a solution to the problem.
That is all anyone wants. And I'd like to here what perhaps I have not considered.

RycEric

Rochard

I do. However, you STILL wouldn't need an assault rifle.

What would be the best weapon to defend your home or business?

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OneHungLo

God bless those Koreans. It's funny to watch blacks crying about the Koreans that open businesses in their community. It's the same shit as it was back then as it is now. A black girl tries to rob a store and gets shot. And they retaliate by destroying their stores. Hey stop trying to commit armed robbery and you wont get shot!

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VRPdommy

LOL...
So, if I understand, you are routing for a immigrant who gets a large tax break for starting a biz and will continue as they bring others to the states under the law and place the biz in a new name each time they do so to continue that tax freedom and no help for a group whose descendants didn't want to be here in the first place but were forced.

It's OK... just ironic. LOL

Diomed

Liberal logic:

1. Migrant (AUS) moves to your country (NZ) and shoots a bunch of people

2. The prime minister (NZ) responds by censoring your speech, takes away your liberties, and punishes its own citizenry for something they didn't do.

A, B, C.

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OneHungLo

No I was just saying god bless them for coming here and working hard, starting businesses and generally being contributing members of society. I'm not an immigrant so I wouldn't know what their tax schemes are like so could you point me one that supports your claims?

Edit I've looked all over and everything I've found says you're wrong

"Resident aliens have long been required to wait at least five years before they can apply for citizenship. This waiting period, combined with a lack of understanding about the tax responsibilities of resident aliens and perhaps a certain amount of hostility toward immigrants, may provide some of the basis for urban legends that claim immigrants live entirely tax-free for their first five years in the country. Those rumors, in turn, lead to confusion about the taxes on immigrant-owned business startups."

No help huh? 50% of blacks get a handout from the government, usually in the form of food and housing. Trillions have been spent and they have the same opportunity as those Koreans and Chinese Americans. Asians come to this country and work hard, study, educate themselves, keep their family unit intact and push their kids to excel, create business and generally succeed. Whose fault is it that blacks don't follow the same course? White supremacy holding back minorities? If so we are failing miserably since Indian, Taiwanese and Chinese Americans are the top 3 wage earners in the US.

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OneHungLo

Ain't that something VRPdommy, your post almost comes across as anti-Korean, but I've noticed a trend nowadays where you libs do not consider Asians a minority because they are all highly successful.. and it just destroys your whole "evil white supremacist" narrative.

I love it.

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MFCT

I support this ban. When a mass shooter is firing at you, a cop on the phone provides every bit of defense and protection as would a gun in your hand.

I have full confidence that future mass shooters in NZ will faithfully uphold this new law.

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VRPdommy

Not sure where you are getting your stats, but i can guess.

If you can't see the difference, it's no wonder everyone thinks poorly of your opinions.

But, I was merely pointing out the irony of your statement. Sorry you really don't understand much more than one liners. Obviously, you can't paint me with the brush that you are trying to.

I have several (7) long time (30+ years) friends who are immigrants (arab, oriental, black and hispanic) and very successful biz owners and I doubt very much after your google research, you know anything about how the rules work in the real world as to the methods to do just what I was implying, and not that I agree with it either.

And what a contrast as I stated it. Very ironic ! Sorry you missed the point. you must be very short as most of what I say flies over your head.

If I had the will and time to put egg on your face again, I would do so.

P_RABID

In 1996 there was a mass shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia, which 35 people were killed and 23 where wounded. As a result Australia changed it's gun control laws, there has not been such a massacre in Australia ever since.

Maybe gun control will prevent this from happening in New Zealand again.

RIP to all the victims in New Zealand.

OneHungLo

"Put egg on my face" and show me where I am wrong. Show me where immigrants get these tax breaks because they're immigrants. Show me which segment of the population per capita wise is participating in government assistance programs. Show me who the top wage earners are in the country.

You typed out a nice little word salad but don't have the time "to show me up." You know I'm right, because If I was wrong that would be very easy to prove. You're not fooling anyone. Bottom line is you whipped up that little quip about white supremacy and some phony Korean tax schemes, and then I took a big steaming dump right in your mouth and owned you.


Oh and PS does your "oriental" friend like being called "oriental?" You do know that's akin to calling a black person a hahahahahaha, right? It's highly offensive.

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Rochard

Exactly. Until we do this we will continue to have mass shootings.

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Pretty much, no excuse for a highly criminal and violent act.

But the reaction to this is what's really telling.

Someone mentioned Port McArthur - in 1996, yet it's also important to mention that the side site wide restrictions after didn't prevent anything in terms of crime, in fact the murder rate went slightly (just very slightly) up in the next 5 years. From 1.6 to 1.8 per 100.000 (Australia is a safe country).

Besides that, and I generally never make an argument that two wrongs make anything right, because they don't, but there's obviously different classes of citizens and an official double standard by now.

Let's see:

While a violent act of anyone of European heritage will be used as an excuse for draconian measures and regulations, with an often open push for massive censorship and persecution of anybody to the right from Karel Marx (or the Frankfurt School for that matter), a certain class of "citizens" is never to be criticized for any wrong doing.

While there's an exhaustive exploration of "ideological motives" once a violent act is committed by anybody of European heritage (while censoring the shooter's manifesto at the same time - an oxymoron if there ever was one).

There's never any investigation allowed into the ideological motives for the over 38 000 documented acts of violent Jihad since 9 / 11.

In fact if you hint at the Occam's razor theorem - that Islamic Jihad is indeed Islamic, your speech will be censored, you may be even harassed by police, not let into a country like UK etc.

You may even be jailed by the, by now largely Sharia compliant western courts (EU court for "human rights" recently ruled that "the Prophet" shall not be mocked in case you missed that).

Now excuse me for being cynical in the face of a tragedy, but I'll just leave this here:



Make peace with it, or not.

pimpmaster9000

and behind those mountains there are much much much bigger mountains where it says "US terror"...nice try with the "Islamic Jihad" crap but you fail to mention the "western jihad"...just the USA unloads 25.000 bombs/year on them and each bomb would count as a terror attack if it was dropped on the USA but does not count for shit when you guys drop it...

the fact that muslims attack you to protect their lands or religion and you guys do it for money kinda makes them the good guys and you the bad guys...keep in mind it is you invading their lands and not vice versa...

you also fail to understand laws and actions that are designed to protect minorities...gypsies in my country are protected by such laws, the police can not fine them for example for their mad max mobiles that fail any registration standard...it is called protecting the weak and vulnerable...


the west gets a right to citicize islam when it first fucks off out of their countries with the bombs and invasions and oppression...util then, the west is by far the smellier shit

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I didn't want to go into debunking this insanely ill-fated argument that the whole presence, history and doctrine of Islam since 622 AD is somewhat a fault of the West. But if you wish so.

1. US Terror - yes, let's say a total NO to foreign interventions, no question there, btw. the rise of Jihadis was also largely financed by the West throughout the 80's - gullible and ignorant West in action who thought they are supporting the "good guys" as you call them.

2. Muslim attack you to protect their lands - yes that's legitimate, a war is a war, but this is the understanding of protecting their lands according to the Western concept.

The Islamic concept of defensive Jihad is not a Western, but Islamic concept. It's a concept that says anybody who attacks Islam (as an ideology) is supposed to be targeted. That's why the critics of Islam of any creed are targeted worldwide, and why soft targets all over the world are targeted with violent Jihad ("the jihad by the sword" according to the Islamic doctrine). Or much more often, non-violent Jihad (calls for more bans, censorship, "hate speech" laws, lawfare - creating a new protected group, and a protected ideology). This is ex. exactly what groups like CAIR do in the US.

This has been alive for the past 1 400 years. It's not the WEST who decides what Islam is, it's the Islamic doctrine. The West is just largely playing the role of a useful idiot here, since its decision makers have zero idea about what they are dealing with.

3. Protecting the weak and vulnerable - this is largely a Western concept, but who decides who is weak and vulnerable? That's the key question:

Is 300 000 Muslims migrating to your country (curious minds, I recommend to get familiar with the concept of "Hijra"), with let's say at least a half of which bring with themselves an entirely incompatible belief system, living off the welfare from 60 pct. a vulnerable group?

Or are the native citizens that have to deal with this incompatible belief system, and finance the living of these needy aliens in their land a vulnerable group?

Because if the answer to that it should be politicians, who need these group's votes feeding the "victim" narrative and granting certain groups special treatment, in exchange for free money and votes - my answer is a definite no.

4. The West, and ANYBODY in the West, has the right to criticize Islam, the concept of protecting free speech is again a Western Concept. Or what's left of it.

And again, I don't want any politician that governs over me to ever decide what can or cannot be criticized. Submitting to the bully seems to be the only thing our political do-nothings can do.

pimpmaster9000

your entire argument is based on the false premise that invaders deserve a fair fight...they do not...once you invade a region, and this region does not have the means to defend itself with conventional warfare, the ones being attacked have the right to fight you any way they see fit...

it is very convenient for you to call it "jihad by the sword" but the reality of the situation is that you are invader bomb droppers and you would do the same thing in their situation...

invaders do not deserve a fair fight

again your arguments are based on the false premise that muslims are incompatible...I have lived in an islamic country for 2 years and visited many, I have 2 islamic countries bordering mine...the huge bulk of islamic people I have met like western culture and do not give a shit about wars/jihad/shit you read about etc...

how long have you lived in islamic countries? how many have you visited? ...exactly...none...it shows when you talk...

no...you gain the right to criticize islam the moment you fuck off home and stop bombing them...terrorists dropping bombs on foreign lands do not get to have an opinion that is not a complete joke...switzerland gets to have an opinion, new zeland gets to have an opinion, but the USA does not...

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It appears you didn't really read what I wrote?

1. So do you agree that soft targets should be targeted worldwide? That it's justified?
No matter if they were or weren't involved in the criminal act itself?

But how come you then have a problem with the New Zealand shooter? Are Muslim lives somewhat more dear to you than non-Muslim lives?

Didn't he do exactly the same? You just played yourself didn't you.

If you approve of Jihad worldwide, excuse me, but I do not want such people, or even their supporters in our lands, out of security reasons.

2. And who decides if the premise is false? You?

Or can it be objectively evaluated?

It is largely a fact, confirmed by the Muslims themselves, that about a half of them prefers Sharia over the law of the lands they migrate into. This is more than in many actual Islamic countries. The issue here is that Sharia is supposed to supersede "any man made form of government", it is also entirely incompatible with the Western values. It is supposed to rule over Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Or is this also the West's fault? That they are only able to colonize cca 50 pct. of them into abandoning their civilization, and accepting the ways of Western civilization?

3. I do not "gain" anything and don't need any apologist of Islam, and a supporter of terror on soft targets, to tell me if I can or cannot criticize Islam.

pimpmaster9000

I understand the bomb dropper mindset I really do...we are supposed to play your rigged conventional warfare game where we can not possibly win and live our lives bent over or in tent refugee cities and you and your invader families want to feel safe...you get to murder us all you wish and we get to suck a dick and we should not run from your terror to your own countries because "scholars" like you read in some book that we are incompatible...meanwhile you get to preach your cavalier ivory tower crap "do not attack soft targets, play our rigged game, eat bombs"

you must be trolling LOL...

you forfeited your right to have an opinion the moment you invaded...peaceful countries like switzerland or new zeland get to have an opinion...americans do not...

pimpmaster9000

I am a violent gangster gorilla giant and I went to this weak guys house and bullied the fuck out of him and he kicked me in the nuts!...I am now outraged at the below the belt attack! Grrrrrrrrr! Grrrrrrrrrr! This is so wrong! He should fight by the rules I set!...grrrrrrrrrrrr!

He is now running! Grrrrrrrrrrr!

I am so great! The sun shines out of my ass!

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I would of thought you'd of taken the time to research..

The vast majority of Muslims in NZ are from Fiji, there Indian Muslims. They have as much in common with an Saudi Muslim as the Church of the AK47 has with the Pope... so please lay off the Muslim generalizations, your just fear mongering with propaganda.

Muslims make up less than 1% of New Zealand's population understand Middle Eastern Muslims.. make up a about 30% of that... 0.3% Comparatively that's less Muslims in NZ than Christian's in Iran...

New Zealand is already a culturally diverse nation because we live right by the Pacific islands and in many cases especially the 18-35 age group more islanders live in New Zealand.. than on the Islands themselves.

90% of that small group of Middle Eastern Muslims, would of applied to Australia first or see Australia as their final destination, because you don't seem to know, the easiest way to immigrate to Australia.. is via New Zealand.

50% of New Zealanders say they have no religion at all, so any religion in New Zealand is already in the minority..

There's three times more Hindus and Buddhists in NZ than Muslims.

New Zealand's never had any issues with Muslims, we have more problems with white males beating themselves up everytime their spots teams lose.

Islanders and indigenous Maori out breed Muslims by far ;)

Basically a terrorist came in from another country and used New Zealand to stage his attack, ( because NZ is a naive and isolated country that was ill prepared for any terrorism event ). Even the deranged idolism that drove that was based on Alt Rightwing propaganda from other countries, it had NOTHING to do with New Zealand let alone the tiny population of peaceful living Muslims in the country.

OneHungLo

What if the muslim population rose to 20-30%. Do you think you might have a problem then?

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Naive NZ guy

BaldBastard

What if the Australian population rose to 20-30%
What if the Chinese population rose to 20-30%
What if the American population rose to 20-30%
What if the Tongan population rose to 20-30%
What if the Samoan population rose to 20-30%

New Zealand's not fucking Australia ya know.. Russia has 6.5% Muslims NZ has less than 1% but as I explained their mostly Fijian Indians... Maybe go freak out at your Russian friends?

BaldBastard

Nah over all I say the Kiwis are fairly switched on, I mean there's the farmers.. like any country ;)

last time I was in NZ my flight was delayed bad weather while I was waiting this kid say 23 years old sat beside me, he was on the phone to his mother in the USA, sweating and shaking in a hysterical fit. I thought it was about the weather so when he got off the phone I started explaining and reassuring him, its the land of the long white cloud, bad weathers expected.

And looked at me and said " No its not that", "its that they let us all on the plane, yet no one including myself had their bags checked, coming into the terminal, or boarding the plane and he hadn't observed any authorities at all"

And that had stressed him to the max, and I reassured him it was NZ, bad things only happen... elsewhere.

I thought about it at the time.. and he was right, everything was just that more relaxed.. the perfect target..

And that's why I say NZ was naive

BaldBastard

And just to add to the blurb since Maryjane is helping me

This is where is really fucking sucks as an New Zealander.. even though I've lived in Australia more than 20 years

When I'm overseas, I'll flip from telling people I'm from Australia or from New Zealand depending on whom I'm taking too. If I think in the slightest the person is going to have issue with Australians.. I'm a Kiwi especially in Muslim countries, and that's got me a whole different discussion, attitude and welcoming than if I'd said I was Australian, same as in Europe actually most Europeans like Kiwis and Aussies, just like the Kiwis a bit more, and they'll openly bitch to and with me about Australians just like the Muslims do ;) With Americans they don't understand the difference, so I just say I'm Australian, unless their liberals.. then I'm a Kiwi cos that's supercool.

And this is where it sucks is up until that guy first pulled a trigger as far as the Muslim world was concerned NZ was some far off land where there were many sheep.... many sexy sheep.. and that was it.

And now.. we're as good of target as any.

Dead

And previously you mentioned assault rifles are not for target practice and claim to be a Marine??? Did they scare you or something? Having shot multiple guns in my time, nothing brings a smile on my face quicker then full auto down range I get a semi everytime.