GrandeRevenueMark

Hello guys,

the next week I will announce a new program with about 30-31 new sites. We made these sites converting like it'd be 1998.

All sites are powered by NATS5 (yes, FIVE/FIFTH ) although the "affiliate part" is handled by HasOffers. The CMS handling members area is totally custom made.

About half of the sites are straight and half gay. We tried to cover the most converting niches.

All affiliates promoting us will get a special offer for $50 PPS for the first 15 days to celebrate the launch of the program.

Payouts will be NET15 and daily. Obviously they can be daily, weekly, bi-weekly, monthly or upon request.

We are working on the final details and we are performing the switch to NATS 5 before letting affiliates working with us.

Just few test from Friday

mce

I'd like to see the raw numbers behind that ratio

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GrandeRevenueMark

Raw numbers? You mean unique VS raw?

About 27k raw VS 21.8k unique.

GrandeRevenueMark

Btw NATS 5 rocks!

thommy

is NATS meanwhile able to handle a clickid and postback ?

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Busty2

Looks good

GrandeRevenueMark

Yes, but I simply don't like the way they show offers/promo tools. Nothing against NATS or TMM.

Klen

So you pay licences for both NATS and has offfers ?

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thommy

a clickid is not a promotool it comes from external.
the last thing i heard was that this would be implemented in some future but as for now nobody was able to postback with nats.

I am not sure how you made the implementation with hasoffers and nats because clickid and postback is one of the ground basics of hasoffers.

anyway - if you really can do that contact me - i would really like to try out how membersites doing today when they are promoted with modern tools and media buy knowledge..
i am actually just promoting one german membersite and it is doing quite fine - but they have postback and clickid now. I was trying same site before when they did not have it and burned ALL my money.

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GrandeRevenueMark

Integration with NATS and HasOffers is very simple:

HO tracking link -> landing page -> NATS join page -> NATS gateway page/biller payment page -> postback to HO to "register" the transaction

GrandeRevenueMark

Yes, about $1,000 monthly so far (considering we have NATS in load balance on multiple www nodes).

Bosa

bump

TMM_John

Glad to hear you're loving NATS5! Next up is a similar redo/modernization of the affiliate interface. Would love to discuss what you'd like to see in it & how we can better present offers/sites/links as well as adtools.

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TMM_John

Yes. NATS has both postbacks configurable in by the site owner and postbacks each affiliate can configure for themselves. NATS can passthrough clickids or any other piece of information.

We haven't done the best job of exposing those features and a more intuitive way of handling it is coming very shortly.

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GrandeRevenueMark

I have to say that NATS postbacks are simply amazing. Sometimes variables names are quite tricky but it's up to developers to choose them. Your support is the best of the industry so no problem at all.

Guys, if you are not using NATS you are missing money on the table!

GrandeRevenueMark

Being able to list all promos in the same page page of each offer, like:

OFFER PAGE SITE1.COM PPS
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Offer description
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LINKS
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PROMO BLOCK 1
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PROMO BLOCK 2
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thommy

sounds good to me.

who are the affiliate programs that know that and know how to work with it ?

I really haven´t found even ONE in all those years. most of them did not even know for what a unique clickid and postback is good for :-)

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BigFurry

So you have to keep the affiliate base and affiliate earnings in HO and NATS in sync? Sounds like a needlessly complicated setup to me, that could lead to tracking issues.

As an affiliate I'd prefer pure NATS or pure HO...

thommy

i think that even leads to LESS tracking issues.

NATS had always also be consistent with the biller in the background - so it was never ONLY NATS - only what the biller reports to NATS is what NATS can know.

to put a system like hasoffers in between have HUGE advantages as such a system can even do much more than just routing the traffic to the right offer.
NATS was never designed for things that happens BEFORE the signup. A system like hasoffers have this options and is designed for it.
if the guys know what to do with it can be a HUGE benefit.

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GrandeRevenueMark

It doesn't work in the way you described. NATS handles just billing while HO handles tracking and affiliates commissions.

Pure HO couldn't exist because HO doesn't handle billing but it just works with postbacks sent from all billing platforms (NATS, WP, Magento, PrestaShop and hundreds of others).

To be more accurate even NATS works with postbacks from billers. It's not NATS that charges the credit card of a potential customer directly. NATS passes details to - lets say one biller - Epoch and then once processed Epoch sends a postback to NATS with the details of the transactions.

In our case all affiliates are handled with HO. NATS has NO AFFILIATES but just an in-house account.

To name a company with the same setup, CrakRevenue has hundreds of sites working with NATS and HO in combo.

GrandeRevenueMark

I can say that we have the know-how to do that

GrandeRevenueMark

The biggest benefit we found using HO is the ability to redirect traffic to a given landing page based on few parameters without having the affiliates changing links. It can be done to optimize for currencies or GEO.

Klen

That sounds like.... Grande expense

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GrandeRevenueMark

It's name coming from 2 years ago .... it's almost impossible to get in touch with the admin of this board

Other than that if you can't afford $1k in script monthly with 30+ sites it's better to change job LOL

brassmonkey

post a heads up in here when ready op. i don't skim this place too much anymore.

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thommy

I know - even when I would not need anything like that as I do tracking and optimizing with my own system upfront.
but what traditional affiliates still don´t get is that they will NEVER be able to read from POSITIVE results.

they pick a banner and set it up. they do not know how the 100 other banners would work and with WICH landingpage from WHAT source and with WHAT device.

actually i was the first on who had clickid and postback back in 2007 when nobody even understood that you can get MUCH MUCH MORE data and informations from the customers that did NOT buy as from the customers that do.

So I am working since nearly 13 years with that and since about 6 or 7 years it is a worldwide industry standard.

so yes you are late but at least YOU ARE !!! I was waiting for that very very long!

please send me your sites when you are done - I will try for sure HOW to make money out of them.

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GrandeRevenueMark

Another interesting thing we are working on is multi-currency in a "native" way. Actually the few sites offering multi-currency deal it with it just on the biller page. So everything from adv (banners) to landing pages to pre-join pages are in USD and then maybe customers find EUR or GBP in the payment page.

With a powerful tool like HO we can show ADV with creatives showing the currency we want (think about the $1 trial banners), linked to a landing page with the same currency, with a pre-join page with the same currency and the payment page matching the currency.

We can even dynamically directing traffic coming from a given banner on a give site to landing X or Y just by calculating the performance without tell the affiliate to change anything

kane

Bumpage.

I'm about to start a new project in the next few months. I can't wait to see what you have to see if it will work with what I am going to do.

just a punk

What do you sell? A cocaine? Maybe meth?

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TMM_John

You can with NATS as well, but it's certainly not as intuitive or straight-forward as it could be. It, along with the postbacks being more clear, etc. is our next focus now that 5 is rolling out.

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GrandeRevenueMark

Just membership ... I'm a looser

GrandeRevenueMark

John, I can tell you without any doubt that NATS is the most advanced piece of software to handle billing. Advanced tracking and performance analysis isn't its main feature for sure.

NATS works with "rules". It used to be a good approach but think about having dozens of landing pages for a couple of hundreds of pay sites. I should hire two people and a pack of blisters of painkillers for their headaches just to handle rules.

Klen

It's not about "affording it" it's about how you waste money for almost nothing

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Unfortunately NATS isn't able to do any kind of performance analysis and traffic redirecting adjustment according to them.

Klen

NATS is maybe required here due it's billing handling, but when it comes to tracking there is many cheaper solutions then has offers.

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GrandeRevenueMark

It's not about cheap of expensive. It's about features e reliability.

thommy

but all this tools do not work with affiliates.
out of that they are also quite expensive when it comes to handle huge ammounts of traffic.

a tracking tool like voluum & co can only work on predefined ways.
other a software like hasoffers as the affiliate here is free to do what he wants.

he can pick landingpages and can rotate and check them in his own tracking tool OR he creates a smartlink and let hasoffers do the job (what might me not exactly as good as the own tracker but better than nothing).

hasoffers is a mix of affiliate software and tracking tool without any connection to billing while NATS is a tool for affiliates and billing but miss out the modern tracking and optimizing abilities.

if one is running an affiliate program in this days he needs to think in every kind of affiliate and give them the right options.
there are still a lot of old fashioned webmasters in the biz that do not even know what we are talking about here. but they still bring some money in the mass - so you can not simply forget them.
on the other side there are tenth of thousands young, fresh and highly skilled media buyers who are really making the biggest part of the money today. but they do not own websites or know anything about traffic generation as their focus is a complete different one. but this people you can not impress with options that have never changed since the last century.

I think that this decision to do it this way is correct and 1000 dollars per month is nothing one should look at when he wants to make a broad range and longterm biz.

sure there are thousands of home made affiliate programs out there (most of them are not existing anymore) who do it in such a way. but it will never lead to anything big.
1000 dollar costs i have already spend when i wake up in the morning and during the day it will be additional 4000-5000. so this is real peanuts and just a very very little factor within all costs a good made program have.

and THIS is the reason why one can only think big when he thinks in doing something good.

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Klen

Two current biggest affiliate program tracking solutions are hasoffers and cake, but more and more programs are dropping them and moving to affise which is cheaper and better. But affise it's not best solution at the moment.

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I have to find a program using HO or Cake in the adult business.

The only one is CrakRevenue, that moved from custom made script to HO.

thommy

actually there is not one perfect.
cake is a nogo - i kicked all affiliate programs out that where using that crap.
hasoffers has a lot and also trafficmanager have some good but not all options.

I am using for my stuff an own software that is working with voluum API - but even here i see every day some "nice to have" what I miss.
such a software is a neverending story and I think with HO you are not wrong.

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Klen

Same lol, from affiliate POV i cant stand cake it's so bad lol. And i heard they charge fortune, which is why many programs dont allow pop traffic to send in order to avoid astronomical charges. And also some programs indeed combine with voluum as all those scripts does not have full tracking capabilities in order to function properly.

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Get those sites on Mr. Porn Geek. Contact Danny (the one who buys my beers) [email protected] .

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GrandeRevenueMark

Cake is a joke. You have a to pay $500 just for installation (it's a SaaS .... so there's not a real installation).

You can't test their product, even in demo mode. The only way to see it is by organizing a session with the on Skype.

Neighbor

How about NATS for Networks? You do know it is very similar to that of those "who shall not be named", don't you?

If not, ask me how I can provide you with a demo and blow your mind

(and we don't charge for installation on an SaaS, which NATS for Networks is, plus we provide training and as always, the best support in the business)

Klen

You should provide him with massive discount if he decide to take it

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GrandeRevenueMark

Btw even your - not anymore since it's almost out business - biggest competitor had the same issue with links/promo displaying.

I have seen an installation totally customized to look like HO

GrandeRevenueMark

John is the best when it comes to sales. However the issue is how things are organized (links / promos). But the next week I'll give it a look. Never say never.

Klen

301 redirect maybe?

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Neighbor

When you give it a look hmu - I can go over it with you so you can get direct answers and right to what you want to do... then I'll sell you on the other features and stuff

Neighbor

We work with clients based on their needs and volume, with NATS for Networks. I am always happy to discuss anyone's needs and provide a custom proposal. We do have a starter plan similar to the "others who shall not be named" for those who aren't quite at the custom volume level yet...