on0891

We need to cooperate persrons from Ukrain, now we mailny looking for:

1. Photographers, to custom sets, the best with own models base but not only.

2. Agents with models base.

3. Recruiter models and video models.

4. Models and video models

5. Moderators speaks Ukrainian - English, Russian - English.

More info rumodels @ prokonto.pl

SpicyM

As far as I know, porn is banned in Ukraine , good luck

on0891

i know perfect about this

FreewayRick

Illegal in Russia too , nevertheless Russia is becoming one of the most important Porn Producers. It may already be the most important on the European Continent, certainly in the same range as Czech Republic or Hungary.

In many Eastern European Countries, there is illegal and ILLEGAL. It is a huge difference.

In Ukraine, porn is even legal for medical purposes:

http://www.inquisitr.com/28624/ukrai...ical-purposes/

Don't forget about the double standards when reading any kind of law

Pierre Woodman was shooting Porn in Egypt, when there was the death penalty for shooting porn. And that death penalty was carried out. So to shoot Porn in Ukraine does not seem like the greatest threat ever.

SpicyM

Wrong. Legal in some areas, like Saint Petersburg where most Russian producers work.

Lol, yeah, go and test the laws and double standards in countries like Russia and Ukraine, the countries most critized for corruption and low freedom of speech in Europe next to Belarus.

Ask ladies from Pussy Riot and Mr. Galitsin for valuable information and double standards in Russia.

Many Ukrainian producers had to close their shops after the anti-porn laws had taken effect.

That is not European Union.

That means nothing. Therre are many producers shooting in Thailand and I recently saw several scenes from an amateur porn site featuring couples doing dirty things in Egypt, outdoors. I would not by all means risk it myself.

It's only cool if no one knows about you. The guy from CreampieThais.com named Tony ended up in jail as well, in Thailand. Not sure if he has been released or not.

FreewayRick

If that is true, then I'm sorry for the wrong info. For sure I'm buying a lot of content from producers out of St. Petersburg.



What happened with Galitsin? According to Wikipedia he did 3 years in jail, but still faces further charges?

Max Hardcore did 2 years, but that was in the "land of the free...", USA.


It absolutely is European Union. And you don't have to look very far.

Because Bulgaria, has been EU Member since 2007.

To this day, production of pornography remains illegal.

Whether bulgarian pornographers are actually in jail or not, I have no idea.

But it is an absolute proof that you do not need to legalize porn production in order to become a EU Member.

I think it means a lot. I think that movie in egypt was shot around 1996, so it was a completely different time period.


I read everything I could find about that case. He was released after only about 7-10 days in jail.

Porn production carries 3 years in jail in Thailand.

But it was worse than that, because he got caught with drugs and weapons during the raid. It's only a guess, but I don't think this guy would even get close to drugs. He looks very much in shape in some of the videos...is that how the usual drug addict looks like? I don't think so.

Either way, he didn't do more than 7-14 days in jail, and in an interview he said that "the matter was dealt with" (translation: the right people were bribed).

Because of the drug charges he could've gotten 30 years. That is very strange in the first place, because in Thailand, even a couple of grams of drugs mean the death penalty, not 30 years! This is an absolute fact, and every embassy or foreign ministry can confirm this. Why charge somebody with 30 years, when the general practice is death sentence or life? It definitely sounds like a set up.

http://www.pattayaone.net/pattaya-ne...ce-in-pattaya/

If you look at those pictures, why would the guy touch his shoulder in the sense of: "don't worry buddy, you'll be out in no time"??? Why would anybody do that doing an arrest?

In my opinion, it is extremely likely that he got set up.

Read the complaint: "...by complaints from around 30 Thai Women who claimed the suspect convinced them that he wanted to be their boyfriend and then took videos and pictures of them engaging in unprotected sex without revealing he was he was producing the material for well known pornographic subscription websites."

That is absurd. How on earth could they have not noticed the light, the camera equipment? Totally disproving this claim is that he has 2257 Documents, they can even be seen on the actual site!

http://creampiethais.com/z_2257/

There is absolutely no way that can be done by "pretending to be a boyfriend", not in 1 million years. No "normal" woman, without working in a red-light profession would let somebody videotape her while having sex. That is absurd, these were all professionals, who knew exactly what they were doing.

If that complaint is actually real (who really knows?), then it is so sad. Everybody participates, to make money. But when it's time to go to jail, he is the only one responsible for the crime. I'm just glad he is free and richer than most of these people will ever be.
Again, who knows if such a complaint was even filed.


To me the only question remains, is why did they set him up, and nobody else. What about producers like http://www.klaussextour.com/ ? Thai law doesn't apply to them? Why not?

Well, I can only think of one difference , which is that creampiethais.com looks a lot better. That very likely means that he earns a lot more. So in that case, it may have simply been money.



But it is not always that simple...Pierre Woodman got stopped by Russian Police at the Airport, not that long ago. And you know what they did to him? They asked him for an autograph

Of course Woodman is a multi-millionaire, and thus an easy target for a set up.


Porn law and actual enforcement remains extremely complicated.


I hope the thread starter will shoot in Poland or a different EU Country. Because shooting in EU with Ukrainian Models, it won't be a crime.

SpicyM

There are 100% legal Russian poviders, but it is not LEGAL in the whole country, just certain areas to my knowledge.


Produced teen porn, got in troubles with CP/forced sex or something like that. It's not really important to what happened to him, the point was that those are the WRONG countries to test the laws and produce porn if you know it's banned.


Ukraine is NOT a part of EUROPEAN UNION, same for Russia and Belarus. They would not make it to EU with the laws and regime they have there, even if they wanted.

Do not confuse EU with Europe.


That was not the point, the point was that Ukrajine,Russia and Belarus are not democratic countries and that is partially the reason why they are not in EU, while most other countries are.

You can't produce porn in any muslim country. There are not exceptions when a government wants to apply the laws, they won't give a fuck you are a foreigner, rich, good guy... anything. They may put you in a jail, horrible jail, if they can and that is the point.

Again, feel free to risk it. I WON'T. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.



No, it is actually very easy to enforce laws in countries with no freedom and high corruption rate. If they want, they will. That's why I say, do not MESS with this where it is banned. I have read and heard a lot of stories and I live next to Uraine.

Imagine the jails in Russia, Thailand or Egypt and then think about it, if it's worth risking. There are no guarantees that money will help you. It may, but it also may not.


He looks for someone from Ukraine to supply models, if I am right.

I only wanted to let him know, that the person could risk a jail for doing this or anything questionable in Ukraine.

FreewayRick

By the way, do you have any reference for that statement?

At least in wikipedia it is clear that in Russia porn is illegal, no exceptions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian...hy_and_erotica



My point is that a country that bans porn production is not democratic, at least not in that regard. Every democratic country allows porn, every undemocratic country bans porn, that is basically a rule.

Of course I know that Ukraine is not in EU.


Yes you can, and that was my point. Woodman did it in 1995, when the circumstances were much more difficult than now.

Is it safe, or particularly wise? Probably not, but my point is just that it is possible.


Yes in muslim countries the penaltys can be huge.

I probably wouldn't neither. But it depends. Some arab countries are relatively liberal, in other countries westerners have gotten years in jail for simply kissing in public. It definitely depends on the circumstances.

And what about the arab spring? Aren't all arab countries supposed to be liberated now? Well, at least according to US-American Predictions...



Hm...a high corruption rate means the law isn't enforced. That's the definition of high corruption rate.



Ok, what did you hear about?



All I heard is that Ukraine has a huge problem with prostitution and human trafficking. Both are, without any question, illegal in Ukraine.

400.000 Women (in the last 10 years) have been trafficked according to the interior ministry.

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/article/pim...over-euro-2012


400.000, that is the same scale of the slave trade hundreds of years ago?

The problem is so huge that the FEMEN Organization was founded just to make people aware of it.

And this is the same country where producing porn puts you at high risk?


If that is really so, then ok.

For sure I can state that Pierre Woodman was asked to do a shooting in Turkey.
His response was that he doesn't want to risk it, because porn is illegal in Turkey. He said the only countries he is willing to risk it are Russia and Ukraine...


It is an actual quote:

"
Thanks but it's against the law to do porn or casting there and now I'm too old for that kind of game. Russia and Ukrain are the two last places where I take some risk...

PW
"

http://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pie...key-t3774.html

So with all due respect, I would place Woodman's opinion higher than your opinion (or basically anybody's opinion).



And what about the most famous porn actor in the world? Rocco Siffredi has been shooting in Russia for decades. And remember, 10 years ago the situation was not as "clear" as it is now. I don't believe the Russian Authorities are that incapable...if they wanted to arrest him, they could arrest him.

This was my main point. There is illegal and ILLEGAL.

Child Porn, well that is a completely different crime. I think luckily in Russia this is ILLEGAL. This means, it is illegal on paper, and people go to Jail for it in reality.


Adult Porn in Russia, well you can actually find adult model agencies in Russia through Google. How about "adult model agency moscow" ?

You can also contact several content sellers from russia on gfy.com


Are russian authorities that stupid and incapable? I don't believe that. If they wanted to, they could crack down on porn immediately. But it is simply tolerated, a case of illegal.



Of course, inmates are treated like garbage in these countries. And I agree that you definitely can't buy your way out of everything.


On the other hand, I'm not aware of a single western adult pornographer, that did significant jail time in Russia or Thailand.

Please state if you know of a specific case. Pierre Woodman and Rocco Siffredi have money and thus could be a very good target for law enforcement in Russia. Both have shot dozens of videos there. I never heard that they have even been stopped.

Even the guy from creampiethais.com doesn't count, because he only did several days in jail. Obviously his site is running and has been updated all the time since this incident.


And one other thing to think about:

In Europe and the Western World, Women's rights are relatively high. It is no problem for a woman to allege "this person raped me" and then cause at least a lengthy trial.

The most famous case of that was Mike Tyson, a boxer from USA. There also was a recent case in Germany. In that case, the accused guy did not get convicted.


Cases like this are not possible in Russia, Thailand.

It was exactly for that reason that Woodman started to shoot "secret" hidden camera videos, to protect himself from these kinds of lawsuits.


What could stop a woman from filling a law suit, because a "scene was too hard" or "she has been taken advantage of"?

You can't file that kind of law suit in Russia, Thailand, etc. because Porn is illegal in the first place. It would be like a drug dealer who goes to the police because the drugs were stolen.

This Issue also played a role in the conviction of Max Hardcore, a Porn Producer from USA. Among other things, it was alleged that he did not inform the models correctly about how rough the scenes are.

If Max Hardcore did what he had done in Russia, I'm absolutely not sure if he would've been sent to jail. Again, women's rights, worker's rights, or even human rights, are all much more developed and much stronger in western countries.


Of course, the risk is there.

Is the risk very high? I don't think so. I know producers who shot in Ukraine, I never heard about an arrested Porn Producer in Ukraine. Pierre Woodman's view confirms my view. If there is any expert in the world, I definitely believe it is him.


In either case, if the thread starter produces in EU-Country, he will be completely out of trouble.

on0891

Still looking for new person to cooperate, mailny agents and recruiters.

on0891

still actual

on0891

bump bump bump

SentryPayments

You definitely cant buy yourself out of everything. This is saying a guy from Ukraine. Its all about who you know and even then shit might catch up to u.

Ukraine definitely has cheap labour. And there're definitely producers, agents and models out there. You just have to look in the right place. I dont think GFY is a good place too look for them. I dunno any other Ukrainian guy out here in this forum. I wish I gave a solution after I stated the problem, but best thing for you is to check russian forums or ukranian forums. AS well as targeting paysites directly, they might refer you to the right person.