TomInc

I have a bunch of exclusive material, first time latinas solo and hardcore. That's all good. What I don't have is a working website yet, have wasted time with two different developers who could do everything when wanting the job and nothing when delivering.

Looking for a skilled, trustworthy developer. Preferably one who already has the template ready for an adult membership website build in Wordpress (or another CMS for that matter) who wuld then charge a resonable rate as all he would need would be to customize it a bit and add security features basically like the ones outlined in the thread
"How to prevent Piracy - A new way" in the educational series (not allowed to post the link)

My special requirements are:

1. Complete advanced country block of certain countries that can not be worked around with a simple proxy program (or site detects any proxy used to fake country and gives an error page).

2. Block of all stream download programs (all videos will only be available streamed, not for download)

3. Insertion of member ID at random points/frames of stream to discourage use of screen grabbers to get the videos on file.

4. Insertion of member ID on all photos in the members section.

I feel this is a job a solid developer who already has the template ready from previous work could do this in a couple of weeks, but if I am wrong let me know.

Hope to hear from someone. best case scenario someone eager to work with other projects of mine in the future. A long time cooperation would be great.

BSleazy

The template membership setup part pretty much anyone can get done. It's the 1-4 part where you're going to have a hard time finding someone to do, especially at a "reasonable rate".

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TomInc

From what I've understood talking to people in the know, it's not that complicated anymore, but a matter of streaming the material from a dedicated server where programming can be set up to prevent download etc.

But again, I'm no expert. So I guess I'll just hang around hoping that someone comes along who likes the challenge or who has done something similar already. I'm not the first guy in history. Have seen it done elsewhere.

Thanks for replying though. If nothing else, it would be interesting to hear some opinions.

ScriptWorkz

I'd be more then happy to discuss your specific needs with you and see if we can come to terms/work something out and get this taken care of. I'm a freelance/contract based developer w/ over 10 years of experience w/ a ton of it being in adult (doing alot more mainstream now a days but still do plenty of adult work). My primary area of expertise is web dev using PHP / a LAMP stack but i also do mobile/desktop dev, so i have a pretty well rounded skillset. Please leave your contact info here if you'd like to talk or email my gmail (phpghost) or hit me up on skype (bkmny1385) if your still looking and want to discuss.

TomInc

I'll add you on Skype. Can send you full prject description and you can see if it's something you'd like to take a look at. My skype is Tom.Incolor

TomInc

Anybody interested in this? I thought I had someone working on it who picked up the job from this thread, but it was another no-show programmer. That's my third now.

I can't figure out how this can be a project so complicated? Or is it just really borring? What's the opinion of developers? Do developers not like setting up member websites or do they nok like working with security features like those mentioned?

BSleazy

It's more complicated than you think. Anyone can setup a membership site but your special requirements require someone with experience doing those types of things. You probably won't find help with that here unless you want to pay $x,xxx.

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myleene

Impossible to do.

Nothing can be 100% effective.

Doable.

Easily doable.


Any developer bidding on your project and telling you they can achieve all 4 is either lying or scamming you.

iamwiki

can i have your skype?i have a friend whose willing to do this.thanks!

x12media

I think myleene answered correctly..

Most of the GEOIP systems are not going to scout for the proxies an all other IP's to try and determine if its being used. (you could try to update a list of proxies etc, but would be an heavy on going task)

Also, what is it that you are trying to protect or deny access ?

the other items are do able, and again comes down to what your willing to pay.

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TomInc

First of all let me warn everyone not to get involved with ScriptWorkz. he got in contact here, we talked on Skype, he said he could do it all in a month, we agreed on a price and a $300 deposit which I paid. And then he completely disappeared. I fell victim to a scam. No idea how many people this guy has used this website to scam. But here's a warning NOT to get involved with him. He'll tell you anything you want to hear then disappear with the deposit. And it's a huge issue getting payPal to take a case seriously if the undelivered product is not physical. I do have a copy of his drivers license. if anyone has any ideas on how to pursue this, I would be interested. If not, then here's a serious warning about this scammer.

Thanks to the rest of you for the answers. If you look through the GFY tutorials there is a full tutorial on how to do exactly the things I want done. Me not being a developer, I wouldn't know if the people commenting here that it can't be done are right, or if the guy who wrote a huge guide which led to loads of positive replies is right.

As for the reason: The material I have is with models from a South American country, they have all modeled under a promise that their material won't be available in their country. I can't publish anything not feeling as secure as one can possibly get that this won't happen. It looks like I will never be able to use this material. I have tried 3 developers now. Two who simply failed, but did refund deposit, and this last one who was a no good scammer.

My Skype is Tom.Incolor - to the one who asked.

SIK

As someone already told you, these two are not possible to a full extent (complete block).

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TomInc

I can't link to the tutorial on this site because I'm not allowed to, but if you look at that tutorial it explains in depth on how to exactly the things I am looking for. There are hundreds of replies. So seems there are hundreds who ahree it can be done.

Me, I can only read, not program, so I do not know.

I would be interested in hearing if anybody has ideas on what COULD be done, maybe there's a completely different way. Only end aim here is 1) Avoiding the videos being watched in a country and 2) Preventing usual forms of piracy, because that puts the videos out of my control and then anyone can see them in that country.

I am surely about to drop this whole thing. Way too much time wasted with developers who said they could do it and just wasted my time on delivering nothing. And in the last instance, simply robbed me. But if anyone have any creative ideas I would be more than happy to hear them.

And thanks for replying in any case, appreciate learning a little.

TomInc

Or let's wipe this whole thing out and start from scratch - if someone is interested in following along with me.

What would be the way of making an adult membershite with videos only available to stream and with maximum possible level of prevention of downloading and pirating? The main goal here being the videos not appearing online in 1-2 far away countries that I have no problem not having clients from...

Any ideas?

carpocratian

The thing about #1 and #2 is that you can't do them with complete accuracy. There will always be people who can work around any anti-piracy or anti-copying system. None of them will be foolproof, or ever will be. Developers can put a series of things in place to reduce the number of times that it occurs, but you can never get anywhere near 100% (or even 90%) effectiveness. Having multiple layered blocking methods will help, though.

It is ridiculously easy to bypass country indicators, and there are a number of ways to do it. When it comes to VPNs and the like, you will find that there are a ton of them out there. Identifying each of them would be a huge ongoing task.

Luckily, judging from your last post it sounds like you are starting to realize that you need to find a "best possible solution" to the project than a 100% effective solution. So, moving forward...

What do you consider a "reasonable" rate? Keep in mind that individual contractors often have gaps between jobs, and have to adjust their charges accordingly. If it takes someone a week to do a job, then he is going to have to charge 1/4 of what he needs to make monthly PLUS some amount (possibly even 100% extra) to help him get through the days when he doesn't have a job. That's a big part of the reason that it's so expensive to hire individual contractors. The work you are describing is going to be in the thousands of dollars, not the hundreds.

TomInc

Thanks for that. Something to think about. For the moment I am just trying to fight with PayPal and such to try and get some of the deposit back I paid to the con artist who posted earlier - Scriptworkz.

Any recommendations on sites to report scammers to?

The rest is of course something I have to think about. It's a smallish site, I don't think it would be worth the money paying thousands of dollars to get it going. I just don't think there's that kind of money in adult member sites anymore, though something niche and exclusive like this might of course not be totally dead. I get that good developers need to make a decent living, but several thousand for a small site, I take it the small guy has no in in this business. Maybe if I was Reality Kings starting a new site. I am not unfortunately.

But thanks for giving me some food for thought there.

carpocratian

It is likely that the biggest cost for the project you describe is the security portion. There are a lot of fairly easy ways to detect country of origin and such, but the more intense you want to make it, the more it will likely cost you. If you reduce your requirements a bit and go a more standard setup, you can likely lower the cost of hiring an independent contractor. Is it really necessary to focus so much on country of origin and copying video streams?

TomInc

As I explained, the videos and photos are of models who have been promised their material won't appear (at least not online) in their countries. These are two insignifant countries (customerwise) in Latin America. So yes, it's very important, I can't publish the material not feeling as certain as one can feel that the material doesn't show up on there.

If it's impossible to block all VPN's, Ip Hiders etc. how about implmenting a program that is basically set up to do so and just manually blocking new hiders as they appear?

Thinking something like this:

- Standard set up of membership site with videos and photos
- User I.D. stamped into photos and streaming videos as they stream.
- Basic working country block for two countries
- Basic detector of say the most common 4-5 programs/URL's used to hide country of connection with option to add more to that block list?

Aren't we then talking a fairly standard job that many decent developers could finish up in a fairly limited amount of time? Or is that still asking too much?

myleene

See it like this: Once a video is online even with HLS, RTMP or any other protection... It can be pirated. It may make it 95% harder, but the last 5% will still pirate it and it'll get online freely and be available in the countries you try to block.

I could build you a 99.8% geo-blocking solution. It wouldn't stop pirates from pirating your content.

What you promised these girls is unachievable based on your specs and you're stuck in a catch-22. Either, it's acceptable or you can't use the content online ever.

What's your budget? Finalize it before shopping.

It's not a fairly standard job and not one anybody could finish in a limited amount of time. You're looking for a really specialized developer that will charge you quite an amount even if they have the solution all ready for it. I've been a dev for 10 years and it's not something I could do easily. On a scale of 1 to 10 in difficulty, you're looking at an 8-9 based on your specs.

I could do a "reasonable job", but I wouldn't feel confident doing it based on your expectations. I also don't have a full solution ready.


I'll repeat, whoever tells you they can do it easily and don't provide technical facts is lying to you. Plain and simple. Honestly, I wouldn't shop for it blindly as it involves giving root access to your servers. You better be able to follow what is done. Anything could be put on your servers and you may have way bigger issues down the road.

carpocratian

Exactly. It will get out if you have a user base of any real size. Things like user-identifying watermarks help, but there are ways to take those out (or simply obscure them), and people who do a lot of pirating often do that.

That's the real crux of the issue. It was not a realistic promise to make, and there is no way to achieve it. There are ways to lessen the chances of someone seeing their work, but all it takes is one person making an illicit copy and distributing it for it to spread all over the Internet.

The lesson to be learned here is to never promise a porn model that you can keep people she knows from seeing her photos and videos. That may mean that you don't get to work with the model, but there are tons of models (and potential ones) out there.

Yep, definitely. There is a big difference between what you can get for $500 versus $5,000.


Exactly. It wouldn't be that hard for an experienced developer to put a lot of things in place to help reduce the chance that people in a given country won't see specific content, but the absolute best you can do will fall far short of what these models were promised. That's true even if you had someone sit and watch every single incoming connection 24/7/365.

MrGusMuller

Is this legal?
While I was developing my CMS i tought on this feature but someone said that that could be ilegal.. Dunno

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TomInc

How could it be illegal? I'm not talking about watermarking or inserting the members name, hard to identify anyone if '035412856' is watermarked into a photo or video.

To the rest: Thanks for answering and clevering me up. I may be slow, but I really can't see how adding a watermark feature and standard country turns a standard adult membersite into a complicated project, but again, I may be slow.

What's the biggest no-can-do in all of this?

And when you guys say it's impossible to prevent privacy, I assume you are talking about stream grabbers/sniffers/downloaders being impossible to block? Because if I am not wrong with the way I have explained the site, that would be the only way to get the videos down, right?

And if so, are you saying it's impossible to block them all together or that there are so many that it would be pointless blocking, say, the 4-5-6 biggest of them?

As for feeling 'fairly' safe that models never bump into their material, I have no illusions that this would be the next Reality Kings. Best case scenario maybe 50 members per month or something like that.

I would be sad to see it all go to waste. I can live with the money lost because it's already spent and I am still eating every day, but among the 30 or so models I have there are a handful or absolute stunners in there that I would actually (as a fellow porn fan) almost be sad never to be able to show the world.

Does anyone know what tutorial here on GFY I was originally talking about? I can't link to it because I don't have enough posts, but I haven't seen anyone comment on that tutorial. The tutorial explains in detail how to do everything I originally set out to do and there are hundreds of replies there on how all that is doable. That is why I wonder why everyone here is saying it can't be done (and don't tell me to contact the guy who wrote it, I have done that more than a year ago, but he doesn't have any time).

NALEM

TomInc can you send me an email directly to alex AT nalem DOT com

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myleene

You're probably referring to this one: https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...highlight=rtmp

It's a good option, but it wouldn't protect it as much as you want.

Check:
a) the protection of the top 10 paysites and how they're pirated
a) the protection of 10 random paysites and how they're pirated

If big paysites don't do it there may be two reasons (out of a lot of others):
- It costs a lot both to do and to maintain
- They see more value in not doing it vs doing it

How many sites have you seen out of 100 doing it?


What's your budget to do it? You'll get a solution that'll be worth that. You're not talking about an easy project.

TomInc

Yes, that's the tutorial I am talking about. Seems to pretty much back up my idea that it's all doable, right?

Check:
a) the protection of the top 10 paysites and how they're pirated

If you go look on all the big tube sites for scenes from Realitykings, Bangbros, Naughty America etc. you'll find very few actually.

a) the protection of 10 random paysites and how they're pirated

We can certainly agree that most websites are pirated, and 10 random ones would probably all be pirated.

If big paysites don't do it there may be two reasons (out of a lot of others):
- It costs a lot both to do and to maintain
- They see more value in not doing it vs doing it

When I have talked to developers who said all my ideas could be done, one of my first questions has been, why don't they all do it then? And especially the tube sites in fact. Why don't they block stream downloaders fordcinf people who want the videos on their harddrive to sign up for the members option they have allowing download? The answer has been that since such protection requires expensive hosting on dedicated stream servers where the blocking tools can be implemened directly on the servers on hosting plans that charge per storage and traffic (for instance, one option I looked at was $150/month for 150 GB storage and traffic that would amount to around 500 complete video streams per month) that for these huge websites to implement the same, cost would be mind blowing. So in short, the answer was that it's doable with a limited amount of material, not with the amount of porn on a tube site - and probably not for the top 10 sites either with the amount of material and traffic they have.

Whether all this is true... I'm not a developer. But did sounds logical to me.

myleene

The top 10 isn't pirated not because of security. But, because they'll sue your ass if you pirate their content. Lawsuits bring a huge percentage of revenue. They can target businesses as well as end-users.

Sometimes, less protection means more $$$:
- Court orders man to pay $40,500 for pirating porn
- The Biggest Filer of Copyright Lawsuits? This Erotica Web Site - The New Yorker

carpocratian

Even with all that, it won't provide your models with the 100% protection within their countries that they expect. You can throw tons of money at the problem and get the absolute best protection possible, but it won't be nearly as effective as you need, in your particular circumstance.

carpocratian

That's just the tube sites. Their stuff is all over torrent sites.

celandina

i will go with Myleene... She is right 99.9 %

I have DRM yet my stuff is everywhere ..... I have a full time person sending DMCA notices... with about 70 % success. The biggest pirates are Amazon, Youtube and EBay.... And it is almost impossible to have them take stuff down....Unless you get an US court order. And then the Russians who do not give a fuck unless their server is in EU.

As to blocking countries to protect the models? Now way and I speak from experience.

TomInc

How is that? For pirating porn?