why this biz is dying
 

rather than admit to the reality, so many still feel that you can make a living from the few people who do not know about tube sites or the other free sites.

its a case of head in the sand.

logic sugests that things will get worse.

so why carry on the same fighting for the last few customers?

is it not time to think long term. what is the best way forward.

history on the net has shown, those who act first often win.

an example being those who got in first with tubes and blogs had a head start. those who came in later found it much harder.

is it not time to stop wasting time in the old ways. we need new ways.

mabe porn will be 100% free. its looking that way.

it could even be the BIG sites have problems. for them there content is all over the web, but for small sites they may last longer as its less easy to find for free.

mabe sites will simply turn to tube sites. giving all there content away free but having banners to dating sites.

but things need to change now. otherwise in 10 years the net will be full of free porn, but no one (except from home made) will be making it.

You have Tube fear !!!


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ORLY?


There is something new and innovative that just might bring a whole new paradigm to the table..... any guesses?

I guess its some kinda cross breed between a parakeet and a pigeon?

The words 'in ten years' and 'pay sites' don't belong in the same sentence.

Let's just hope it doesn't get to this stage :S

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well put:2 cents:

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I was having this discussion with a friend tonight. The problem is for years morons have ignored the logic of the situation. People Don't Buy What's Given Away For Free!

All tubes and TGPs need to be taken down. People need to stop giving away free content and DRM needs to be put into place. I have been saying this for 10 years!

Look at the serps in google page after page of free porn. You do know the top listing get's 40% of the clicks. The second page get's almost none. What do you think would happen to sales if the first two pages were all paysites or portals to paysites with NO FREE CONTENT. People would start buying again, they are too lazy to go searching.

But now I see the massive TGP sites that have no direct path to a sales page, what worse you get bounced around from TGP to TGP taking 20 click to get to a sales page. What genius came up with that brilliant plan. The guy could have jerked off 5 times before he even gets to a sales page!

This was an industry that any idiot could do well it. The problem is when an industry is filled with idiots this is what happens.

The smart people that came into this industry made millions and millions for years. The idiots also did quite well but the left the industry in the mess its in.

The best thing that could happen to this industry is the Govt. shutting down all porn that's not behind a credit card screen and block all offshore non-compilers. We should be lobbying for censorship of sites that don't require age verification.

Then you would see sales sky rocket. The sad part is the pirates didn't kill this industry, the Govt didn't kill this industry. The quick buck webmasters did with the short term attitude "Fuck everyone else I'll give it all away for free and make money on up sales and cross sells" screwing everyone else in the entire chain over in the process from the actors on up. This is the same as hunting a species to extension or eating the fruit and throwing the seeds away rather then replanting.

Absolute stupidity!

BTW I give away no free content and still get signups but not as many as I used to.

Good luck putting the shit back into the horse.

Is there a clip of that somewhere? That'd sell.

Cue Paul Markham ranting in 5...4....3...

it's already done. 95% of all adult traffic is tubes or file locker boards/blogs.

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Actually, probably the next "big" thing won't even be porn. I'm guessing it will be a virtual reality experience, as in taped illegal or difficult experiences such as getting high, battle, sex, parachute, etc for more senses than just visual and audio. At the end of the day we are selling dopamine. They found a way to get it but dopamine receptors become less sensitive over time. Part of the high is the risk part of risk and reward. Relationships need to evolve, which may be why cam girls are doing ok for a little bit. Or... it may be an MFC thing where we just optimize something that already existed.

cams still working good :thumbsup

-Make it illegal in the US to show hardcore or even software outside members areas.
-Block all sites hosted outside the US and if they want to be accessible in the US they will need to have a mirror hosted in the US that will have to obey US law.

I seem to have become infected with the Markham.

Tubes is like a box of chocolates. There's so much to choose from and you know you cant eat them all because you'll be satisfied within a few minutes.

Someone please delete DVTimes from the internet.

Someone put this crazy person into a straight jacket. heh.

Porn was recession proof .When the only way you saw free porn was u found your dads stash or tried to watch the scrambled playboy channel with the hope u would see something. People spent lots of money when all you saw was a box cover. But that was run by people that understood retail and business. Those days are over.

the internet was structured to be decentralized and free. creating bottlenecks and fake scarcity to make money off it was an later development.

that tension is always going to be there.

if you can't deal with it sell used cars or sausages offline.

I believe printed porn is still bigger business than online porn? Hell, greeting card sites are bigger than online porn.

Edit: that was a Forbes article from 2001, my bad lol.

Maybe.

I had people telling me the same thing back in 1997.
I also had people telling me that we had better make as much money as we could with our free sites because they wouldn't last past 2000 when Bush was elected.

Pay sites MAY evolve in how they look, function, and are delivered. But I wouldn't count them out at all.

Just ONE law that outlaws nudity in open areas on the internet and paysites will be flourishing.

same here, back in 2002 or so...

Chris 2.0 is still up from the big party? I'm guessing he's sitting by himself, finishing up the baggy and couldn't resist making a fool of himself. Funny thing about enhancements is they make you feel invincible. At least until you read what you wrote a few days later sober.

fallopian tubes

Everything will eventually die ...

"Just ONE law that outlaws nudity in open areas on the internet and paysites will be flourishing."

This IF...

But for now...
If you got something worth paying for you are making bank.

Google wasn't the first search. Facebook wasn't the first social network.

People who are first get complacent and arrogant. Because they're first, and have little to no competition, success comes easy. They think they're the shit, but don't realize they just got very, very, very lucky.

Then when others come along later, true innovators with real skill who give people better service or product, who have to work harder and more creatively to break into an existing market, the dinosaurs get destroyed because they don't have the ability to adapt and change.

All they can do is flail around without a clue, playing a broken record about how much better it was in "1998" when they made $10,000 a day spamming newsgroups, and crying about how life isn't fair because other people came along and beat them at their own game by playing it better.

:2 cents:

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WROUNG!, its actually the vets that are fucking things up, not the fucking newbies and the idiots, they go nowhere fast

The normal adult business model is threatened by problems which are in many way solvable. I don't for one minute believe that Adult needs or would benefit from a new business model - paying for porn fits best for this industry the same as mainstream media.

Even though the economy and piracy have taken their toll on the industry (and we're not alone there) - a reasonable percentage of the current shitty state comes from within.......shame.

That law won't pass. US tried that with COPA back in 1998.

wrong. because while you might be able to stop US sites from showing nudity no non-US sites will continue to show it. Non-US sites do not have to obey US law. Also that law will hold up consitutionally. Would a site showing how to perform a breast exam or testical exam be forced to a paywall? Would a site showing art that has naked people have to be behind a paywall? If not then you're getting into a murky area.

I really hate it when people say something like this. Just for the record guys that came into this industry at the start of online porn were uneducated idiots and drug addicts.

It is well documented, they were not smart they just happened to be at the right place at the right time. Then Uneducated thieves moved in that did everything they could think of to rip people off.

Good case study sex.com. Drug addict thief steals domain over charges for ad space upto a million a month for front page ad postions, original owner an idiot let's it slide goes to court for many years, get's it back has a penchant for prescriptions destroy's sex.com... ( Both not smart, both dumb, both uneducated one is a thief. )

Founders of this business deserve no respect, they are the ones that put this industry where it is at today.
Some of them are still doing it... Though experienced guys know who they are and how to avoid them.

Calling them "Smart Businessmen" is really not the term that should be used whats so ever.

Some of them just got a lucky break with a few good domains that sold off because they got lucky registering .coms early, some set up elaborate email scams, some stole content outright since there was no DMCA adn even then the DMCA was largely ignored. To this day I can not think of a singular smart guy in this business that started with absolutley nothing, did not rip a single person off without a big break of one sort or another.

And the "non-US" sites would be blocked from being viewed in the US (the world's biggest consumer of porn)

The music tried suing and tried DRM. It failed and alienated a generation of potential customers that will never pay for music again. That being said as soon as the music industry got rid of DRM and stopped suing people sales of online music went UP.

The movie industry has DRM on DVDs. Guess what not hard to get by that. Anyone can get any movie they want via torrents. This has been a big problem. But guess what over the last couple of years torrent use for downloading movies has gone DOWN. Why? Because of NETFLIX. See people were still willing to pay they just weren't willing to pay that the greedy studios want. Now the studios are still trying to kill Netflix because accepting Netlflix means less money form traditional ways which is dying anyways. They just don't want to accept that.

See $8 a month for Netflix is better than putting up with bullshit that torrents present. Now the adult industryu needs to quit having the same attitude as the mainstream movie industry and hanging on to old ways. yes tubes are fee. They're also loaded with crappy quality content loaded with advertising or multiple watermarks( form people stealing and uplaoding the same content over and over ). Usualy same contetn is on their multiple times and content is poorly organized. Tube sites filled with ads and pop-ups for chat to penis pills or other crap. And many tubes actually fill your computer with virues or spyware. But to many people that is better than paying $30-$40 a month. Netflix offers a 1 week-free trial( sometimes a month ) then offers subscriptions of $8 a month. Until a paysite offers something similar expect declining sales to continue.

How would that happen?

You're a smart guy...you figure it out. It already "happened" in many countries that don't allow ANY websites from the western world in.

Here's a hint: "firewall"
Another hint: "blocked IP's"