Google letters to webmasters over unnatural back links
 

Hi,

I was just wondering if anyone has received a letter to their porn site's Webmaster Tools account, or to your email, from Google saying that they have detected that some of your pages may be using techniques that are outside of Google's guidelines.

I know that Google has sent out hundreds of thousands of these messages but am wondering if they are sending them to porn sites too.

Porn sites are exempt from Google's guidelines.

Lol Damage. Only if it were so.

They'll send these to any site found not following Google's webmaster guidelines.

Google are getting much better at this stuff.

Why would anybody want to use Google's services? Silly!!!!

Not using Google's services wont magically exempt you from being punished by Google for bad practices. :2 cents:

Why would I want to give them the info in the first place? Let them find it on their own ....

Superbientem animus prosternet!

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They already have all the info. They don't magically learn anything new about your site when you add your site to webmaster tools.

Google Cloaking :-)

This is even better --> from Google blog as of yesterday:
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogsp...h-quality.html

If half the effort some webmasters put into trying to game the system was put into creating really good content for people then a lot less webmasters would be whinging about how Google spanked them :2 cents:

You are absolutely right. That's for normal people.

Smart people see Google like a liquor store without cashier and no security guard. Why wouldn't they take some bottles without paying for them?

The Rodney King Theory?

You're not looking so smart once Google spanks the shit out of you and you're left with a devalued site nobody will visit or worse banned from the index. :2 cents:

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The only people that seem to bitch when a Google update comes around are people with 1000 spam blogs or tubes with nothing but scraped duplicate content.

I know of webmasters that refuse to acknowledge that Google traffic is the best and they try to bury their heads in the sand. Kinda dumb if you ask me. Google traffic is the best, by far. It is every webmaster's choice however if he chooses to not try to get Google traffic or whatever.

That said, I'm just curious if Google sent those letters out to porn sites or not. My understanding is that they sent out over 700,000 over the last 2 months but I have not heard of one porn site getting one.

It's not about you or me. There are various possibilities to use Google's guidelines. One of them is negative SEO that seems to be a result of recent changes. Instead of letting spam work for you, you let it work against competitors by donating spammy links to them. I am NOT endorsing any seedy way of playing the system, but find Google's approach is going to fail and they will revert some of their recent changes in valuating links.

I would listen to AdultKing, I have followed what he said and i never get a negative effect from google changes.

I never receive a warning letter, I just get shut down. And I generally have no clue how to fix things as I have no clue what I did wrong.

Google banned one of my sites for two years - never told me what I had to fix, didn't have a clue what I did wrong - then the site magically reappeared in Google's listings - without me changing a thing.

Fuck Google. I'm not going to sweat over their bullshit anymore.

You can appeal a Google slap with a re-consideration request.

http://www.adultking.co.uk/website-banned-by-google/

Yeah, they are bad ass. I had a website go from 30k Google hits a day down to 2k and no explanation. After 2 years I removed a small paragraph on index page that was stating this site was meant for consenting adults and not related to anything illegal. Guess what happened. My site shot up to 30k Google hits a day again and stays there ever since. Go figure.

Look for a post I made a few weeks ago. The mainstream site was successively appealed. =]

wasnt able to find it. can you link it here? thanks

ok, it's a brand new day and I am still wondering if anyone has received one of those letters from Google saying that their porn site has unnatural back links?

I missed that post of yours before. My main argument against using Google is their ability to use your login data, browsing history and entries into their services to analyze and sandbox sites to places where they don't belong. I.e. they might view differences in your local position and the area you serve as inconsistent with websites visited and look at you as a possible spammer. I am sure people from the Philippines or India are able confirm what I am saying.

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I don't start many threads. Look for it.

A uses GA, GWT, Adsense,...
B uses no Google services.

Unless B is a total idiot, Google will have tons more info on A than on B.

There are some who believe Google may be on a fishing expedition with these letters. Who knows? But it wouldn't surprise me if some webmasters receiving the messages have already confessed some link trading "sins" to the big G in hopes of preventing a smack down. After thanking them for their honesty, Google can proceed to ruthlessly smite them from the search results. :winkwink:

acrylix...yep I read that theory too. It is highly possible, even probable. Google does practice a bit of sleight of hand in dealing with the webmaster community.

So far, I have not heard of one adult site that has gotten that letter. I've suspected that Google just treats porn sites different from other sites. I mean, there is no way that they do not know which of the well known sites are buying links yet they do not penalize them.

I recently found tons of message board links to one of my sites that was obviously done maliciously to penalize the site...and they worked. That said, I have not received a letter from Google saying that it detected unnatural links and trust me these links are horrible. They linked to pages on my site using phrases like:

british virgin islands sewer
dizzy up the girl mediafire
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free onling drees a girl

I have reported those links to Google but getting them to believe that I had nothing to do with them is next to impossible.

Google will already know how much of their traffic goes to B and how much of that traffic bounces back to Google. Google will already know everything Webmaster tools provides about that site.

There's really nothing that Google needs to know about your site that they don't already know before you subscribe to any of their services.

They won't necessarily know which sites you own and how you interlink them.

Perhaps, however that doesn't affect the webmasters who understand that it's not links from your own sites that you want, it's links from other sites who find what you have to offer worth linking to that you really want.

If you have something worthwhile then other people will link to it on websites and in social media like Google + , Facebook and Twitter. These are the links that webmasters should strive for and the sure fire way to get them is to create high quality sites that surfers love.

We're in the middle of a seismic shift in the way Google values links anyway, they have said time and time again that the focus is on quality. They have said it in different ways such as the Farmer and successive Panda updates.

"that Google needs". There's no way of knowing what Google wants to know. Simply because you assume they use x amount of data doesn't mean they don't use or collect y amount of data.

And if you use GA or Adsense on a site, you are giving Google access to tons of information they otherwise would not have access to.

SEO isn't about building sites with quality content. That's simply "publishing content".

SEO is all about controlling the amount of information someone like Google can collect about your sites. Obviously building quality sites is an integral part of most SEO strategies, but it's only that: a part of the strategy.

I've never seen any reliable evidence that using these tools can negatively affect sites.

In fact many very large and well positioned web sites use these tools, along with other tools like Raven tools to manage their SEO campaigns.

Giving Google more information on your sites and how they are all interlinked is not a bad idea if you are squeaky clean. Why not use all the tools they provide? But 95% of the people reading this aren't squeaky clean. The more you give Google the more they possibly can find to penalize you for. If all your sites are easily linked together and they decide to get you, you might be royally fucked if they decide to penalize ALL your sites. You can say it never happens but you can't say it will never happen. Things can always change and there is no sure way to take back giving them all that data, is there?

This is why I've stopped buying and started building instead. Better to focus on quality than build a bunch of crap that works for less than a month.

Are Google's webmaster guidelines that difficult to stay within that as many as 95% of this board's population can't follow them ? It's all good practice anyway and all aimed at ensuring that websites provide some value to end users (surfers).

I think many webmasters miss out on enormous opportunity with their sites. Having a site that people enjoy visiting and trust buying from referral links is far better than having sites which serve not much purpose other than being link or spam farms.

If your site is highly desirable and of value to the surfer then it's in Google's interest to serve it up to the end user. Google can only maintain it's advertising revenue if it remains the most trusted search engine. That trust is upheld only by delivering the most relevant results to a users search query.

The data exchange is a trade off, the contract is basically along the lines of "we'll use your data in exchange for providing webmasters useful information about their website." As things stand there is more value in having that information than ignoring it.

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