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Paul Markham 03-17-2016 10:14 AM

Can the GOP win?
 
Trump can't be described as a typical GOP candidate. They have to back him if he wins the Nominee race. All this talk about nominating someone else is hot air.

Can he win, will the two houses back or block him and what happens in the next round of elections?

Clearly people are pissed off with the old style candidates. Do they have the will to vote for candidates who don't have huge war chests of money to spend?

L-Pink 03-17-2016 10:22 AM

why do you care?

Joshua G 03-17-2016 11:03 AM

He will win. voters are sexist. :)

plaster 03-17-2016 11:34 AM

Who is the gop?

Penny24Seven 03-17-2016 12:32 PM

Paul knows more about America than anyone who lives here.
He thinks we live in fear of getting shot and ISIS, another I can't remember.
Fact is and i'm around 1000 people a week and not once has anyone ever said i'm afraid of anything but sitting in traffic LOL.
We enjoy the weather and do whatever we want. I don't carry a gun and do not care if people do. I live in a town of 50K and it averages one murder a year.
I will take those odds.

hottoddy 03-17-2016 12:45 PM

The GOP only has a chance if they borrow a page or two from the liberal strategy guide. Something must be promised to the have-nots (47%+) and taken from the haves (eg, $, immigration amnesty, etc).

Google Expert 03-17-2016 01:03 PM

President Donald Trump.

Suck on it crybabies.

Paul Markham 03-17-2016 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20781453)
why do you care?

I know you don't notice. The rest know that what happens in the US affects Europe. Did you miss the recent wars?

dyna mo 03-17-2016 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20781900)
I know you don't notice. The rest know that what happens in the US affects Europe. Did you miss the recent wars?

Y'all had your shot at leading Western civilization. You blew it.

Rochard 03-17-2016 01:40 PM

If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

Paul Markham 03-17-2016 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian837 (Post 20781798)
Paul knows more about America than anyone who lives here.
He thinks we live in fear of getting shot and ISIS, another I can't remember.
Fact is and i'm around 1000 people a week and not once has anyone ever said i'm afraid of anything but sitting in traffic LOL.
We enjoy the weather and do whatever we want. I don't carry a gun and do not care if people do. I live in a town of 50K and it averages one murder a year.
I will take those odds.

This is about one of the two Americans Political Parties going into meltdown.

Donald Trump 673 Delegates
Ted Cruz 410 Delegates
John Kasich 143 Delegates
Marco Rubio 169 Delegates

Trump has nearly more than the rest put together. He'as appealing to voters more than the GOP want.

Paul Markham 03-17-2016 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hottoddy (Post 20781816)
The GOP only has a chance if they borrow a page or two from the liberal strategy guide. Something must be promised to the have-nots (47%+) and taken from the haves (eg, $, immigration amnesty, etc).

Agreed. Unless the Republicans change their ideals, they're done for. Trump is proving that. his message isn't "Republican". Big business needs migrants, doesn't want trade barriers and absolutely doesn't want any of the money that flows through government into businesses to stop flowing.

Paul Markham 03-17-2016 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20781909)
Y'all had your shot at leading Western civilization. You blew it.

You are a clown of the top order.

https://yis7ahum.wikispaces.com/file...e_timeline.gif

dyna mo 03-17-2016 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20781960)

I may or may not be a clown but your chart just proved my point. You lost your shot at leading the world, now all you can do is bitch about America while you allow Sharia law to take over your entire geography.

Paul Markham 03-17-2016 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20781921)
If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

Elections are won and lost by influencing the middle ground. Is Trump appealing to enough of the middle to make up for those he's pissing off, would he get the backing from Cruz and Rubio supporters if he's nominated, can he get across the finish line with enough delegates.

And can that guy beat Clinton? I don't see Sanders getting it, could be surprised, though.

Trying to find actual voters numbers per candidate is tough.

http://cdn.static-economist.com/site...9_woc291_0.png

Obviously, it needs breaking down by State and Electoral College.

Paul Markham 03-17-2016 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20781972)
I may or may not be a clown but your chart just proved my point. You lost your shot at leading the world, now all you can do is bitch about America while you allow Sharia law to take over your entire geography.

All Empires come to an end, the US never really had one. But as leader of the World, it's term will be shorter the Great Britains.

We lost after 300 years, the US was losing after 60.

dyna mo 03-17-2016 02:20 PM

Heads up markahm USA is #1.

Joshua G 03-17-2016 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20781921)
If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

once again, you cite polls that are 6 months out from the election, & tell us he will not win. are you in like first grade, & dont know polls dont mean jackshit? how about hilarys lead all last fall, where did it go?

i know you cant digest anything not tilted to the left. so i found this piece for you from a comfortable place, huffpost. Even the liberals see the writing on the wall.

Quote:

Trump is likely to decisively beat Clinton in virtually all of the states that she has performed strongly in so far, and seems poised to win many of the states she lost as well. This leaves her relying heavily on the solidly blue states, which overwhelmingly voted against her in the primaries, suggesting that enthusiasm will not be high with her base. Forget national polling. When one takes a sober look at the electoral map ? at who can turn out their base in solidly partisan states and appeal in swing states, based on how the primaries have turned out thus far, the edge is cleanly with Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton.
enjoy. & stop making posts sounding like the media is leading you hook-in-mouth.

:)

Paul Markham 03-18-2016 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20782041)
Heads up markahm USA is #1.

And dropping fast.

Paul Markham 03-18-2016 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20782101)
once again, you cite polls that are 6 months out from the election, & tell us he will not win. are you in like first grade, & dont know polls dont mean jackshit? how about hilarys lead all last fall, where did it go?

i know you cant digest anything not tilted to the left. so i found this piece for you from a comfortable place, huffpost. Even the liberals see the writing on the wall.



enjoy. & stop making posts sounding like the media is leading you hook-in-mouth.

:)

Can he appeal to enough Democrat voters to reduce Clinton's vote and boost his?

Plus enough to replace the GOP voters he will lose. Which is the point of this thread. Even though he stands as a Republican, is he backed by the Party?

ruff 03-18-2016 04:46 AM

You cannot possibly underestimate the stupidity of the average American citizen (just check this board). Yes, the GOP could win. Then you would see real catastrophe, but of course it would be Obama's fault.

slapass 03-18-2016 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20781945)
Agreed. Unless the Republicans change their ideals, they're done for. Trump is proving that. his message isn't "Republican". Big business needs migrants, doesn't want trade barriers and absolutely doesn't want any of the money that flows through government into businesses to stop flowing.

I think you are missing that the GOP has gone super conservative. They tried to ban gay marriage. They are trying to ban abortion. These are more minority interest things then main stream. By controlling the first part of the election process, they took over the party. Trump is a snap back. Rubio and Cruz are guys from the extreme edge. No one realized that the moderate GOP supporter was going to vote in the caucus level stuff.

The party is in flux. I do not think it is about migrants so much as he is not preaching about guns and abortion.

MiamiBoyz 03-18-2016 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ruff (Post 20782941)
You cannot possibly underestimate the stupidity of the average American citizen (just check this board). Yes, the GOP could win. Then you would see real catastrophe, but of course it would be Obama's fault.


http://36.media.tumblr.com/b6ef0fb78...597bo1_250.png

Penny24Seven 03-18-2016 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20781921)
If you look at the polls.... No, he will not win.

If he looses the nomination (which is possible), he will run his own which pretty much ensures he will not win and the Republican party will not win - Trump would most likely take a large portion of his Republican voters with him.

If Trump wins the nomination he will go against Clinton or Sanders. According to polls, he would loose to either of them.

Of course a lot could change from now until then.

what would a thread be without your post:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Polls don't mean shit. People still vote for Cruz so until there are two left Hillary and Trump you will not get good results and even after that you don't know.

VRPdommy 03-18-2016 06:55 AM

It remains to be seen in a brokered convention who gets the delegates of those who dropped out.

I think there will be enough fan fare about that to piss-off both edges of the party to ensure a low turn out in the general election.
Cruz (that nobody in the establishment likes) will want those delegates and the party will want to support a 3rd person that may not have even been in the race up to this point. The optics are going to be terrible.

Trump will most likely prevail but not without some blood being shed.

The republicans are dammed no matter what they do at this point.

One third of the voters in both parties are dead set against trump in the general. Those third on the right may not turn-out and those third on the left surely will.

I have already moved past this and now looking at what's going to happen in the house and the senate.

It's going to be interesting when those running are asked questions on supporting Trumps platform. Plenty more news headlines coming.

Paul Markham 03-18-2016 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff (Post 20782941)
You cannot possibly underestimate the stupidity of the average American citizen (just check this board). Yes, the GOP could win. Then you would see real catastrophe, but of course it would be Obama's fault.

Of course it will be Obama's fault. He's a Democrat and black. :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 03-18-2016 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20782950)
I think you are missing that the GOP has gone super conservative. They tried to ban gay marriage. They are trying to ban abortion. These are more minority interest things then main stream. By controlling the first part of the election process, they took over the party. Trump is a snap back. Rubio and Cruz are guys from the extreme edge. No one realized that the moderate GOP supporter was going to vote in the caucus level stuff.

The party is in flux. I do not think it is about migrants so much as he is not preaching about guns and abortion.

Quote:

The republicans are dammed no matter what they do at this point.
That's my point.

Paul Markham 03-18-2016 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 20783091)
I have already moved past this and now looking at what's going to happen in the house and the senate.

It's going to be interesting when those running are asked questions on supporting Trumps platform. Plenty more news headlines coming.

The Democrats and Republicans are owned by their backers in order to get the needed campaign money. They can't back Trump, so won't.

Will more Independents have the funds to stand and win? If not Trump can't do as promised, he has to bend over.

baddog 03-18-2016 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20781909)
Y'all had your shot at leading Western civilization. You blew it.

Haha haha haha

baddog 03-18-2016 09:08 AM

And Rochard, will you please learn the difference between lose, loose, loses and looses.

Rochard 03-18-2016 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20782002)
Elections are won and lost by influencing the middle ground.

I guess the planets are all aligned just right because I have never agreed with you more.

Elections in the United States are won and lost by the people on the fence. Republicans will vote Republican and Democrats will vote Democratic; It's the people on the fence that will decide this.

Right now the candidates are trying to get members of their own party to come over to their side. Once the nominee is selected, they will try to win over the people on the fence and the people from the other side. This is a an odd thing because - for example - the Republican nominee will have to cater his message to Democrats without upsetting the core Republican base (and Democratic nominee will do the same).

The reason why the Republicans lost in 2008 and 2012 was because the people on the fence "wanted change" because the last Republican administration screwed us with the economy.

Likewise, I think the Republicans will loose again this year. A large percentage of Republicans might (eventually) be behind Trump, but I also believe that a unusually large percentage of Republicans will be dead set against Trump. This might not be a huge number, but if 10% of Republicans do not vote Republican it will mean Trump will loose. Combined with the people on the fence being against him, I see this as being a loss for the Republicans.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-18-2016 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20783334)
I guess the planets are all aligned just right because I have never agreed with you more.

Elections in the United States are won and lost by the people on the fence. Republicans will vote Republican and Democrats will vote Democratic; It's the people on the fence that will decide this.

Right now the candidates are trying to get members of their own party to come over to their side. Once the nominee is selected, they will try to win over the people on the fence and the people from the other side. This is a an odd thing because - for example - the Republican nominee will have to cater his message to Democrats without upsetting the core Republican base (and Democratic nominee will do the same).

The reason why the Republicans lost in 2008 and 2012 was because the people on the fence "wanted change" because the last Republican administration screwed us with the economy.

Likewise, I think the Republicans will loose again this year. A large percentage of Republicans might (eventually) be behind Trump, but I also believe that a unusually large percentage of Republicans will be dead set against Trump. This might not be a huge number, but if 10% of Republicans do not vote Republican it will mean Trump will loose. Combined with the people on the fence being against him, I see this as being a loss for the Republicans.

The reason the Republicans lost the last two election is purely based on immigration. Millions upon millions of people from 3rd world countries with low IQs coming to this country and vote Democrat. They're on the dole.

Again, you keep singling Trump out like he is the only person without talking about HILLARY. Why are you so biased and not realize that someone will become President? Do you not think democrats will vote for Trump over her? I see Trump easily taking New York and Michigan. Trump has huge support from many different factions of society and once he sets his sights on Hillary, it'll be over

plaster 03-18-2016 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by plaster (Post 20781672)
Who is the gop?

Still waiting for my answer. Would like to know one human name associated with GOP and the source. Like who are the members and what are their titles?

VRPdommy 03-18-2016 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20783256)
The Democrats and Republicans are owned by their backers in order to get the needed campaign money. They can't back Trump, so won't.

Will more Independents have the funds to stand and win? If not Trump can't do as promised, he has to bend over.

While I agree, I cant see where I said anything to the contrary.

I was hoping the race would be Sanders and Trump (big money looses) but I am very happy for folks to just see the true colors of many a politician. Perhaps give everyone's lie detector a bit of a workout.

A learning lesson long overdue. Future change should be a bit easier because of it.
For now, I shall laugh and cry with the rest (mostly laugh).

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-18-2016 03:07 PM

All Trump has to do is threaten an Independent run and they'll give him the nomination

Robbie 03-18-2016 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plaster (Post 20783355)
Still waiting for my answer. Would like to know one human name associated with GOP and the source. Like who are the members and what are their titles?

Every Republican politician and most importantly every Republican voter.

Are you confused that the Republican Party is also known as the "GOP" (grand old party)?

baddog 03-18-2016 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20783334)
I guess the planets are all aligned just right because I have never agreed with you more.

Elections in the United States are won and lost by the people on the fence. Republicans will vote Republican and Democrats will vote Democratic; It's the people on the fence that will decide this.

Right now the candidates are trying to get members of their own party to come over to their side. Once the nominee is selected, they will try to win over the people on the fence and the people from the other side. This is a an odd thing because - for example - the Republican nominee will have to cater his message to Democrats without upsetting the core Republican base (and Democratic nominee will do the same).

The reason why the Republicans lost in 2008 and 2012 was because the people on the fence "wanted change" because the last Republican administration screwed us with the economy.

Likewise, I think the Republicans will loose again this year. A large percentage of Republicans might (eventually) be behind Trump, but I also believe that a unusually large percentage of Republicans will be dead set against Trump. This might not be a huge number, but if 10% of Republicans do not vote Republican it will mean Trump will loose. Combined with the people on the fence being against him, I see this as being a loss for the Republicans.

Fucking A dude, they aren't going to loose anything

imabro 03-18-2016 07:41 PM

Cannot wait to observe all the crying come November.

TCLGirls 03-18-2016 07:57 PM

The GOP are in a loose-loose situation. They played too fast and lose with their own party rules.

Rochard 03-18-2016 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20782101)
once again, you cite polls that are 6 months out from the election, & tell us he will not win. are you in like first grade, & dont know polls dont mean jackshit? how about hilarys lead all last fall, where did it go?
from a comfortable place, huffpost. Even the liberals see the writing on the wall.
:)

I understand we have six months of this, and I understand a lot can change between now and then. But I am not basing my opinion on polls alone. I've never seen such a backlash of hate from a candidates own party. Fifty percent of Republicans are voting for him, but I also feel like a fair percentage will refuse to back Trump and will either vote against him or will sit this election out. Even if this is only two percent, that would be enough for Trump to loose the election.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20782101)
i know you cant digest anything not tilted to the left. so i found this piece for you from a comfortable place, huffpost. Even the liberals see the writing on the wall.
:)

At some point in time the Republican party will have to stand behind Trump. If Trump does not run as a Republican, the Republican party will loose the race - Trump would take a large percent of Republican voters with him ensuring that both Trump and the Republican nominee will loose.


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