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Ace-Ace 07-04-2002 11:16 AM

Your Beliefs
 
Hey,

I don't mean for this to be a controversial topic, or a bashing of each others' beliefs. I'm just curious to see what relgion (or lack there of) everyone follows, being in the adult industry and all.

I, myself, am completely agnostic...don't really believe in anything (lazy / easy way out) :D

Kevin

Midnyte 07-04-2002 11:18 AM

I still haven't decided yet.....

Ace-Ace 07-04-2002 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Midnyte
I still haven't decided yet.....
I believe that classifies you as agnostic then.

Sly_RJ 07-04-2002 11:20 AM

I hate sheep.

SetTheWorldonFire 07-04-2002 11:21 AM

Wu-Tang

cherrylula 07-04-2002 11:21 AM

I pray to google every night.

Ace-Ace 07-04-2002 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I hate sheep.
I believe that classifies you as animalism, also known as satanism :-D

Ace-Ace 07-04-2002 11:22 AM

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Originally posted by cherrylula
I pray to google every night.
Haha...that's a given though.

Midnyte 07-04-2002 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Ace-Ace
I believe that classifies you as agnostic then.
Nah, cause an agnostic believes that there might be a god, but there is no way of knowing for sure. I am sure there is a god or gods, I'm just not sure what the nature of them is.

playa 07-04-2002 11:36 AM

reminds me of a funny joke



An atheist was taking a walk through the woods, admiring all that the evolution had created. "What majestic trees! What powerful rivers! What beautiful animals!", he said to himself.
As he was walking alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing.

He ran even faster, so scared that tears were coming to his eyes. He looked over his shoulder again, and the bear was even closer. His heart was pumping frantically and he tried to run even faster. He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw the bear right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to strike him.

At that instant the Atheist cried out "Oh my God!...."
Time stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was silent.
Even the river stopped moving.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky, "You deny my existence for all of these years; teach others I don't exist; and even credit creation to a cosmic accident. Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?"

The atheist looked directly into the light "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me as Christian now, but perhaps could you make the bear a Christian?"

"Very well," said the voice.
The light went out.
The river ran again.
And the sounds of the forest resumed.
And then the bear dropped his right paw ..... brought both paws together...bowed his head and spoke:

"Lord, for this food which I am about to receive, I am truly thankful."

everybody believes in god the right before they die :)

Midnyte 07-04-2002 11:42 AM

Hehehe

Swiftone 07-04-2002 12:03 PM

I worship my penis.

Ace-Ace 07-04-2002 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
reminds me of a funny joke



An atheist was taking a walk through the woods, admiring all that the evolution had created. "What majestic trees! What powerful rivers! What beautiful animals!", he said to himself.
As he was walking alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing.

He ran even faster, so scared that tears were coming to his eyes. He looked over his shoulder again, and the bear was even closer. His heart was pumping frantically and he tried to run even faster. He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw the bear right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to strike him.

At that instant the Atheist cried out "Oh my God!...."
Time stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was silent.
Even the river stopped moving.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky, "You deny my existence for all of these years; teach others I don't exist; and even credit creation to a cosmic accident. Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?"

The atheist looked directly into the light "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me as Christian now, but perhaps could you make the bear a Christian?"

"Very well," said the voice.
The light went out.
The river ran again.
And the sounds of the forest resumed.
And then the bear dropped his right paw ..... brought both paws together...bowed his head and spoke:

"Lord, for this food which I am about to receive, I am truly thankful."

everybody believes in god the right before they die :)

Haha, good one.

Firehorse 07-05-2002 06:02 AM

I believe in many universal principles. I think that many religions are like labels. It is sort of like as an analogy every different religion is a different flavour of milk and some ppl like banana, some chocolate, some strawberry, some hate milk - but it is all milk. I believe there is one creator and thousands of versions of that omnipotent creator. Many religions and beliefs echo the same themes. I am most closely aligned with buddhist and native beliefs. 'With our thoughts we make the world.' - Buddha
or 'Thae white man goes into his church house & talks about Jesus, the Native American goes into his teepee & talks to Jesus.'

Turf 07-05-2002 06:06 AM

i only believe in myself... no god no nothing... darwin was right evolution is the key..

.:Frog:. 07-05-2002 08:07 AM

I believe there could be a god but a different god then the religion(s) mention.

G Sharp 07-05-2002 08:11 AM

lol. Good one!

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
reminds me of a funny joke


everybody believes in god the right before they die :)


G Sharp 07-05-2002 08:14 AM

Correct me if I am mistaken, but Buddhist teaching is structured in such a way that one can follow the techniques of the Buddha whether one is an atheist or a believer. Suffering does not arise from any particular mythic tradition but arises from everyday living regardless of religion or religious tradition. Care to share your perspective on this?

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Originally posted by Firehorse
I believe in many universal principles. I think that many religions are like labels. It is sort of like as an analogy every different religion is a different flavour of milk and some ppl like banana, some chocolate, some strawberry, some hate milk - but it is all milk. I believe there is one creator and thousands of versions of that omnipotent creator. Many religions and beliefs echo the same themes. I am most closely aligned with buddhist and native beliefs. 'With our thoughts we make the world.' - Buddha
or 'Thae white man goes into his church house & talks about Jesus, the Native American goes into his teepee & talks to Jesus.'


[Labret] 07-05-2002 08:15 AM

Buddhism is horse shit.

Its a fad religion. Few people can understand it well, let alone a fucking idiot American.

Free Tibet? Fuck Tibet.

G Sharp 07-05-2002 08:17 AM

hmmmm ooookay.

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Originally posted by [Labret]
Buddhism is horse shit.

.:Frog:. 07-05-2002 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Free Tibet? Fuck Tibet.

Do you like sloppy leftovers?
China has been fucking Tibet for years, are you waiting till it's your turn?

eru 07-05-2002 08:23 AM

"It is an insult to God to believe in God. For on the one hand it is to suppose that he has perpetrated acts of incalculable cruelty. On the other hand, it is to suppose that he has perversely given his human creatures an instrument -- their intellect -- which must inevitably lead them, if they are dispassionate and honest, to deny his existence. It is tempting to conclude that if he exists, it is the atheists and agnostics that he loves best, among those with any pretensions to education. For they are the ones who have taken him most seriously. "
-- Galen Strawson

playa 07-05-2002 08:26 AM

how do you know whats right or whats wrong?
what is considered good or bad?
and you finally got laid last night,,

this proves there is a god :winkwink:

G Sharp 07-05-2002 08:27 AM

Interesting point, Labret but arguably "Buddhism" is not a religion. At least, not in the traditional sense--it just has too many permutations to be labelled as a formalistic religion. It is a "religion" in some cultures, a differing way of thinking in others. Plus, there's so many different paths of "Buddhism" that people can approach it regardless of whether they are, as you say, "idiot Americans."


Btw, Nice try on the troll on Tibet. :)


Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]
Buddhism is horse shit.

Its a fad religion. Few people can understand it well, let alone a fucking idiot American.

Free Tibet? Fuck Tibet.


G Sharp 07-05-2002 08:29 AM

Great quote!

Quote:

Originally posted by eru
"It is an insult to God to believe in God. For on the one hand it is to suppose that he has perpetrated acts of incalculable cruelty. On the other hand, it is to suppose that he has perversely given his human creatures an instrument -- their intellect -- which must inevitably lead them, if they are dispassionate and honest, to deny his existence. It is tempting to conclude that if he exists, it is the atheists and agnostics that he loves best, among those with any pretensions to education. For they are the ones who have taken him most seriously. "
-- Galen Strawson


G Sharp 07-05-2002 08:36 AM

This thread reminds me of an interesting quote from the Tao Te Ching:

Get rid of religion and priests, and morality will return to the land.

[Labret] 07-05-2002 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by G Sharp


Btw, Nice try on the troll on Tibet. :)



Wasnt a troll.

You know the "Free Tibet" bumpers tickers that are so popular for hippies, vegans, lesbians, animal right activist, and other assorted lefty fruits? You cannot be a good lefty unless you have a rainbow sticker on your car and a Free Tibet bumper sticker.

In college I produced a bumper stick that looked exactly the same, except it said "Fuck Tibet".

Its all a fad. Fuck the Beasty Boys, fuck Richard Gere, and fuck rice milk.

G Sharp 07-05-2002 08:59 AM

Labret,

I agree with you on the limited point that "group think" is bullshit. Your examples of "lefty" trendy token activism, if done with no other motivation and depth as to be perceived as "cool" or to gain a sense of "belonging" are in line with this bankrupt "group think."

But I hope you haven't foreclosed the possiblity, in your mind, that some people SINCERELY believe these things and act not out of any attempt to be noticed but out of actual concern and compassion. I know this percentage is small but it does exist. Labeling whole movements as disingenuous does these sincere people a great disservice.

I went to school at Berkeley and spent some time at Michigan [Ann Arbor] and can sympathize with your distate for the bullshit displays of solidarity. But I have met and talked with people in the forefront of their struggles and was awed by the depth of their conviction [most of which I did not share] and their sincerity.



Quote:

Originally posted by [Labret]


Wasnt a troll.

You know the "Free Tibet" bumpers tickers that are so popular for hippies, vegans, lesbians, animal right activist, and other assorted lefty fruits? You cannot be a good lefty unless you have a rainbow sticker on your car and a Free Tibet bumper sticker.

In college I produced a bumper stick that looked exactly the same, except it said "Fuck Tibet".

Its all a fad. Fuck the Beasty Boys, fuck Richard Gere, and fuck rice milk.


Wizzo 07-05-2002 09:08 AM

Taoist here, basically because we don't know and it's the only thing I have found that you don't have to pretend to know...

jreaka 07-05-2002 09:10 AM

I pray to the football gods every sunday!

Scootermuze 07-05-2002 09:16 AM

As for me.....

I'm just an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac that stays awake at night wondering if there's a dog...

[Labret] 07-05-2002 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by G Sharp


But I hope you haven't foreclosed the possiblity, in your mind, that some people SINCERELY believe these things and act not out of any attempt to be noticed but out of actual concern and compassion.

Of course not. I know they exist.

Every religion / belief system has its core thinkers that usually operate at such a level that they would be ineffective as clergy or teachers of the laypeople who adhere.

Its the followers that fuck up religion. People just dont get it.

I hate nothing more than a closeminded right wing shitfuck hiding behind the banner of Christianity. But I have nothing but the utmost respect for Eastern Orthodoxy and contemporary christian mystics. But to most people it is black or white. Either you like christianity, or you despise it. I am afraid its not that simple.

And that goes for any religion or belief system that could be construed as a "religion".

People are largely ignorant and should not be allowed to contemplate such matters as God. All they do is fuck it up.

If any of that made no sense, my bad. I just got back from a root canal and I havent slept in over 24 hours. I have never had a root canal before and I must say I was pleasantly surpised. I fucking hate the dentist more than a Canadian Dead Head, and I was fretting like hell. But it didnt end up hurting that bad. Fuck, they get in your tooth and the take little files and rip out the nerves and the pulp in the canal and then pack the empty space with rubber. Fuck, it sucked.

Gutterboy 07-05-2002 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by [labret]

Buddhism is horse shit. Its a fad religion. Few people can understand it well, let alone a fucking idiot American.
But of course, you understand the intricacies of every school of Buddhism so well that you know they're all horse shit, right? :Graucho

In that case, maybe you could shed some light on the Hridaya Sutra's apparent contradiction with traditional Hinayana and Mahayana understanding of the 12 link chain of codependent arising and the four noble truths.

I thank you in advance for clearing this little problem up. Its been a matter of debate amongst buddhist scholars for quite some time.

For the record, I'm a Cha'an Buddhist. A mixture of Southern School Chinese buddhism and taoism.

Babaganoosh 07-05-2002 11:00 AM

This is just my opinion...

I don't know if there's a God and I don't really care. If he/it IS real, he's a sick fuck. Look at all the horrible things that happen in the world. Would a good God allow that to happen? If he IS almighty and he doesn't stop bad things from happening (murder, rape, retardation, Barry Manilow, etc) then I sure as hell won't worship him.

That's beside the point though. Religion is for the weak. I think religion is the attempt to personify the unknown. It also acts as ones moral chaperone. I don't need faith in God and the promise of heaven to make me a good person. I can be a quality human being on my own.

drops 07-05-2002 11:04 AM

Man.. religon is a bunch of bullshit..

our country got hit because of some kind of holy war?

fuck that...

not to go on a rant, but GOD or whatever the fuck that is.. did not put us here...

these religous dumbfucks need to get there head out of a book that was not written by GOD.. and open a text book and read how this earth, universe, and beyond was created.. If you think that we (humans) are from GOD and we die and go to heaven.. nigga pleeeaazzzzzeee! you think that this tiny rock rotating around some what of a small star is the only place that can hold life... think about this.. there are more stars (like our sun) in the universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on the planet...

do think we are the only ones.. religon is a evil tool put into power by people to control them.. extort money from them, strike fear into them...

I love this industry.. No freaking morals to worry about.. just dont fuck each other..

fuck you... my :2 cents:

God Bless You

Babaganoosh 07-05-2002 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by drops
Man.. religon is a bunch of bullshit..

our country got hit because of some kind of holy war?

fuck that...

not to go on a rant, but GOD or whatever the fuck that is.. did not put us here...

these religous dumbfucks need to get there head out of a book that was not written by GOD.. and open a text book and read how this earth, universe, and beyond was created.. If you think that we (humans) are from GOD and we die and go to heaven.. nigga pleeeaazzzzzeee! you think that this tiny rock rotating around some what of a small star is the only place that can hold life... think about this.. there are more stars (like our sun) in the universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on the planet...

do think we are the only ones.. religon is a evil tool put into power by people to control them.. extort money from them, strike fear into them...

I love this industry.. No freaking morals to worry about.. just dont fuck each other..

fuck you... my :2 cents:

God Bless You

Amen brother, that's some good preachin'!

SykkBoy 07-05-2002 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gutterboy


In that case, maybe you could shed some light on the Hridaya Sutra's apparent contradiction with traditional Hinayana and Mahayana understanding of the 12 link chain of codependent arising and the four noble truths.

I thank you in advance for clearing this little problem up. Its been a matter of debate amongst buddhist scholars for quite some time.

um.... a boy has a penis and a girl has a vagina.........

SykkBoy 07-05-2002 11:58 AM

for the record, I pray to Bruce Campbell...

and my version of the Pledge Of Allegiance is:
I pledge allegiance to the United States of America
And to the republic for which it stands
one nation, under Bruce Campbell
with liberty, justice and chainsaws for all......



Bruce Campbell bless America!

mijoon 07-05-2002 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2


um.... a boy has a penis and a girl has a vagina.........

I thought that was it, but I wasn't really sure.

Enchantress 07-05-2002 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2
for the record, I pray to Bruce Campbell...

and my version of the Pledge Of Allegiance is:
I pledge allegiance to the United States of America
And to the republic for which it stands
one nation, under Bruce Campbell
with liberty, justice and chainsaws for all......



Bruce Campbell bless America!

I met Bruce Campbell at a kid's fair once, back when he had that T.V. show (Briscoe County Jr.) He was really cool. God might live in his eyebrows.


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