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Do you believe that social networking sites, games, and other online "entertainment" is affecting...
porn sales?
I've seen a few people (Rochard, Barefootsie, and LightspeedSteve) say they believe that this is the case. Since people are spending more and more time on social networking sites, game sites, etc, that people are then in turn spending less time on porn sites and therefore spending less on porn. Do you believe this? If so, can someone please explain to me beyond the "well if they spending more time on "X" then they must be spending less time on "Y" type logic. |
I can't say for sure, but I CAN say that games (modern warfare 2, in my case) are sapping my productivity. I've put almost 300 hours into that goddam game, and I still enjoy playing it. Those are 300 hours I could have been working :(
If I was going to buy porn, I doubt it social networking or games or whatever would have an effect on my purchasing habits... Everyone likes to smash their cock around while they watch porn, and will always find time for it. |
I only agree with this partially. But its one of the reasons yes.
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Yes, indeed, more and more people are going to social networks. My question would be, "How are you using social networks to promote your biz?"
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I would say that is not true. Although people are spending more time on social networks, they are also spending LESS time watching for TV. So people are just spending more total time on the internet doing various things.
Free porn sites are more popular than ever and their traffic is not dropping. People are consuming MORE porn than ever before in the history of the world. |
A Lot of guys frap to Facebook pictures as most teen girls/young ladies will post racy photos of themselves and their friends. It also provides a more personal experience than porn can as the guy can be whacking to a gal?s picture he works with or goes to school with, and it is free to boot. I am pretty sure this kills sales. As far as games some games like WOW are incredibly immersive and guys will chat up the relatively few chicks that play and beat off to their WOW toons or, while they are chating with them on vent or their real pictures on their Facebook page if they are lucky enough to get it.
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I do think 1 think is certain, that people are spending more time on social networking sites than they did in years past. HOWEVER, just because someone spends more time on social networking sites it does NOT mean they spend less time on porn sites. They could be spending less time watching tv (like you said) or less time playing outside, less time working, studying, whatever. Here is my "Common sense" thoughts to why social networking sites DO NOT affect porn sales. To assume people spend more time on social networking sites and therefore less time on porn sites, which decreases porn sales is to assume the following: 1. People on social networking sites now jerk off less and are less horny or 2. People are jerking off to content on facebook, etc. vs a porn site. When there are sites out there with thousands of full length hardcore videos on them for free, I can't believe someone is going to bypass that and jerk off to a girl with clothes on, on facebook. If people spend more time on facebook, less on porn sites ... IF, I still don't think it affects porn sales. People still jerk off as much, regardless if they spending more time on facebook or not lol. They need to go somewhere to jerkoff since facebook doesn't contain any nudity. Here is the problem.... the people on social networking sites are more up to date with the net and know about youporn so when they leave facebook to go jerk off, they not going to surf the net for porn and come across your site and pay to see your content. They go directly to youporn instead, see your content for free, yank it, then go back to facebook. So is socialnetworking sites really the problem here?? Please someone who disagrees, use some substance to your argument other than "yeah I think they do" and make me think otherwise if I am missing something here. Just tired of hearing people say they believe this but don't back it up with any reasons why. |
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So you saying, porn sales have dropped because our "ex customers" are really closet pedo's who prefer to jerk off to clothed, young girls on facebook who are dressed slutty ? :Oh crap And other people are on there jerking off to PICTURES when there are full length videos a click and 10 seconds away from them on youporn. |
So there's a ZERO SUM GAME theory to porn?
Maybe another theory to consider is this: For the longest time, a large and steady chunk of online adult sales came from PORN ADDICTS. Now that there's tons of tubes and RS/MU driven sites, the sales coming from this segment have fallen off dramatically and there are many other competitors for IMPULSE BUYERS' attention. |
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I think the novelty of online porn has trailed off. For example, 10 years ago it was exciting and arousing as a surfer to find a video of an amateur girl tagteamed and facialed by 5 guys. now its ho-hum (yawn). next.
There is still plenty of money to be made though and I am making it. :thumbsup |
it affects in some %, people are doing other stuff, you can play games or jerk, and you play games :)
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Social media affects sales in both paysites and dating since people know there is somebody on the other side, which is way more attractive than staged porn movie or fake profile.
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hm i dont think that people who was buying porn are now playing games or chatting on facebook. if you like porn, you will buy porn, maybe you need a break, but you will buy porn again. people who are using facebook daily are our mothers or people who heard from friends that there is facebook, and they will not buy any porn. perverts are comming in and out, but times are changing and its not easy to mine gold on klondike, and its not easy to sell porn. you have to know what you are doing, if you dont, go to facebook or play games :)
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it's by far not the ONLY reason on the other hands you also more internet users week after week |
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There's only 24 hours in a day but a lot of people seem to spend 25 of them on Facebook.
All the games and things like twatter and facebook get people used to interaction - can't interact with a photoset or video Sites like plentyoffish enable people who never would have been able to meet someone and have a relationship in real life before find someone to fill that gap which may have previously been filled by a porn based fantasy instead. |
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As for Facebook sites luring people away from porn. Just another dumb excuse for the decline we're suffering. And this industry is great at finding excuses. :Oh crap |
I said when I first joined GFY that porn sites would have to become more social to compete and stay ahead and there are lots of ways to have interaction on porn sites including chat, adult games, cams, voting system, interaction with models,runiing competions, forums.. ect .. Look at sites like adultwork.co.uk they are very interactive and doing very well :2 cents:
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and i don't know whats so hard to understand - when you spend 2-3 hours after work every day on facebook and chat with girls then you have 2-3 hours less to look for porn. and conveniently there's enough free porn available easily when you need it for a quick jerk. no need to search for it anymore. |
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I also think that sites like rude.com which are very social attract far more people than what a normal adult paysite could attract.
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I think it is more logically that they spent less time watching tv, working, or sleeping, or whatever. First of all the people who spend a lot of time on facebook, aren't spending 2-3 hours AFTER work. They are also spending a lot of time DURING work on those sites. Guys have chatted with girls on chatrooms since day one of the net. That hasn't affected anything. If anything it is the frustraition of not being able to find a girl to go out with you tonight that leaves the guy to wanting to yank it to a porn video or girl on a cam site. Also very very few people spend 2-3 hours looking at porn muchless that long looking for porn. It doesn't take long to find porn, and most people have their favorite places already (tube sites). They go on youtube, browse a bunch of vids, get off and leave. No different than what they were doing 10 years ago. I guess this is just one of those things. You may have proof that time spent on social networking sites have gone up, but neither of us hav proof that time spent on porn sites have gone down. We have proof porn income has gone down, but using common sense we can easily see the real factors that affect the decline in porn sales. It isn't that people are looking at porn less and jerking off less. It is that less people are paying for it. Unless if facebook caused the world to be less horny which i think is absurd. I wonder how many of you who believe social networking sites is killing porn sales also believe in summer slow down. LOL you know, when people don't have time to look at porn during the summer because they are all out side playing and on vacations. It's like every "Slow down" you people come up with equates to people not having time to jerk off. I can just picture a guy who has a high sex drive or gets turned on easy and jerks off daily saying ok, im going to cut back to jerking off every other day because I just don't have the time to do it anymore because i need to write on my wall at facebook and comment on my friends pictures there. Oh and damn vacation next week, shit no jerking off for the next 10 days. damn! lolol |
studies show the average surfer just visits five sites. social networking prob bumped porn off a few.
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I once had a chat host tell me she wouldn't work from 7-8 at night because law and order was on and she never had good sales during that time because so many people were watching that show instead of being on porn sites.... I bet she would tell me now they are all on facebook and that is why her sales are less !!! lol |
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I think it is harming the mainstream TV industry more than porn. I think more and more people are spending time on Facebook and sites like it and are checking out Youtube videos and they are doing that instead of watching TV. I had read that TV viewership is on the decline across the board. The other night I was over at a friends for dinner. After dinner one of their daughters was on her laptop, the other was texting friends and several of us were on their other computer watching videos of people pranking each other. This is a house with about 5 TVs in it including a 60 inch big screen. There were about 10 people in the house and not one of the TVs was on.
However, I think if it is hurting porn it is hurting it in the dating and cam business more than the regular hardcore porn side. With Facebook you can find girls to hook up with, see hot pictures of other girls and even watch them on their cam (not saying they will get naked for you, but having a real girl looking hot and chatting with you turns a lot of guys on a lot more than some chick begging for tips or for you to go private) so they no longer need cam sites or dating sites. But when they want to see a hottie take a fat dick in the ass, they still go to the hardcore sites. Just my thoughts. |
it's not 30 mins. per day that people spend per day on facebook, i'm pretty sure it's more. and the search process you needed in the past to find good porn is now extremely shortened thanks to some bookmarked tube sites.
i'll stick to this: people don't "need" less porn, they just find it much easier and faster in always the same places. therefore they don't find new stuff in their search process they could sign up to. and that saved time they spend on social networking sites and the like |
I don't think these things are taking away from it as much as it's changing people's surfing habits and how they surf and navigate.
For example, people are now used to facebook/myspace surfing. They are picking up habits. Adult, as a whole, isn't tapping into those habits. I could probably write a full article on this, hehe. Here is an example. Joe Bob Surfer has surfed porn for years. By habit, he has surfed sites like The Hun and Al4A, who have very specific layouts and feels. He has his daily "routine" and doesn't stray from that very much. So, those sites continue to get his eyeballs and time daily. He might find a site here and there he wants to join (in this example, we're assuming he's not JUST leeching, but is capable of pulling out the credit card and buying once he finds that certain site he's looking for). Now newer sites like facebook, youtube, etc. have altered his daily routine and how he looks at things and surfs. The Hun/Al4A routine no longer applies to him. Let's say FB, YT, etc. haven't necessarily quenched his thirst for porn, but have changed how he surfs for it, since it's changed how he surfs in general. Are we, as an industry, keeping up with his routine and how he surfs? Are we taking advantage of this routine to turn it into sales? I'd say, by and large, we are not. Maybe he's found tube sites more to his liking and instead of The Hun and Al4A, he's going to RedTube and Tube8 instead. This is going to affect how he surfs and looks for his daily porn fix (as part of his routine). We need to tap into the routine of surfers. Sure, some have been burned, are finding everything they need on tubes, have less $$ to spend, want to spend less, etc. But, for those that remain, that are capable of buying, are we REALLY doing all we can to tap into this routine? How many adult sites are adding social elements? I don't just mean buying a $50 social networking script from an indian kid on hotscripts, slapping up a couple head pics and calling it an "adult myspace". How many are adding extra value to their sites? Adding things that will keep people coming back beyond the porn? |
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I don't think social networks affect us enough to be a blip on the radar.
I don't know many guys in their 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's (the guys who for the most part are the ones who have credit cards and buy porn) who rush home from work to check their facebook accounts. lol But like I said in another thread...it doesn't really matter what anybody "believes" or theorizes on. Piracy bitch slapped all of us to the ground as far as paysites are concerned. And whether a person believes it or not doesn't really make a damn to me. Bottom line is...I'll still be standing when it's all over because I took action almost 2 years ago and put in place a plan to keep sales going to my paysite. And it worked and continues to work. My affiliate work, however, went from 90 grand a month down to 20 grand a month. That fucking hurts. And there isn't a goddamn thing I can do about it so long as every other paysite has their members areas ripped for free on rapidshare and listed conveniently on pornbb and don't lift a finger to change it. EDIT: Hell, I don't think social networks even stopped teenage boys from surfing porn. I'd bet that most people who spend all that time on social networks are teenage girls. And I have the daughters to back that up! LOL |
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There have also been studies posted showing most regular online people's surfing habits. They tend to spend the vast majority of their time on a handful of their favorite sites. These studies and articles went to explain how to 'crack' their world, you needed to get on these key sites. Some day when I am not feeling lazy, I will see if I can find them. There was one that came out in the last month, and the other was within the last 6-12. The point is, the surfers are becoming more intelligent, lazy, apathetic, desensitized and do not so much 'surf' anymore. This fact is reinforced by the social networks like digg, twitter, etc. where..... if you can get a "buzz" going. You will have a bazillion hits in 12-24 hours and can become ground breaking. Anyway, my previous posts on this subject as well as this one are to this point. They have a limited number of hours in the day for online entertainment, and they tend to hit the same 3-12 sites and stay on them. There are now 'networks', super hub, massive sites with endless content eliminating the need to typically 'surf' for more. |
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There have also been studies posted showing most regular online people's surfing habits. They tend to spend the vast majority of their time on a handful of their favorite sites. These studies and articles went to explain how to 'crack' their world, you needed to get on these key sites. Some day when I am not feeling lazy, I will see if I can find them. There was one that came out in the last month, and the other was within the last 6-12. The point is, the surfers are becoming more intelligent, lazy, apathetic, desensitized and do not so much 'surf' anymore. This fact is reinforced by the social networks like digg, twitter, etc. where..... if you can get a "buzz" going. You will have a bazillion hits in 12-24 hours and can become ground breaking. Anyway, my previous posts on this subject as well as this one are to this point. They have a limited number of hours in the day for online entertainment, and they tend to hit the same 3-12 sites and stay on them. There are now 'networks', super hub, massive sites with endless content eliminating the need to typically 'surf' for more. Quote:
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It's not piracy or tubes or cc banging or economy? :uhoh Facebook/etc may contribute as well, but to say it's none of the above is downright stupid... nice thread :thumbsup :1orglaugh |
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If "porn time" decreased any it is due to the ease of people finding what they "need" to yank it. It's not that social networking forced them to spend less time on it. It's that sites like youporn make it easy for them to find whatever they are looking for. People don't hunt for porn for sport. They hunt to get off. In the past they might have needed to hit 5 tgps, a couple link lists, etc... now they go to youporn. Quote:
What is funny is that everyone who is telling me I am wrong is citing these "reports" and "stats" but not one person has even provided 1 link to them. |
When you want to jerk off, you'll jerk off. Even if farmville takes up 16 hours of your day, there's that 15 minute period before bed where you just feel like shaking hands with the bishop.
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I see my name was mentioned here.
In 2000 the Internet was pretty fucking boring. All you had was porn. Now.... I've head stats that more than sixty percent go to a handful of websites - Facebook, YouTube, Myspace, Ebay... That's sixty percent of your traffic out the door before you even turned your computer on. And if you think about it... Youtube, Facebook... Everyone is just creating content for others to look at, which in turn makes them richer - not us. |
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We all just have to use our specific experiences in this business and plot a course based on that. Hopefully many of us will be correct in their assumptions and make the right decisions with their porn biz. Probably not. heh-heh I guess we'll see who is still making money a year from now or less. |
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I'm not nearly half as old as Baddog and I still remember no cable, and only getting three channels. TV wasn't nearly as interesting because there was only three channels - NBC, ABC, and PBS. Now my cable has two hundred channels. I no longer watch NBC, ABC, or CBS because I have ten zillion choices other than them. It's very much the same thing with our industry. In 2000 there was "x" amount of porn sites. Now there is "x" amount of porn sites times 10 billion. We have completely over saturated porn - there is so much of it. This all started with the DVD market. It got to the point where our industry was launching hundreds of new dvds each month. With that kind of volume, no one had enough shelf space to put up new dvds no less the old ones. |
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Frankly, I feel it's little more than a game of GFY devil's advocate anymore at this point. You are going to believe what you want to believe regardless. Carry on. :2 cents: |
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