Looks like in the immigration lawsuits AZ has a favorable judge
 

PHOENIX ? The judge who will decide whether Arizona's new immigration law is constitutional hasn't indicated whether she'll put the statute on hold before it takes effect next week and had some pointed questions Thursday for challengers at two court hearings.

U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton also went beyond dry legal analysis to point out some of the everyday realities of illegal immigration and how that applies to the new law.

Without prodding from attorneys, the judge noted that the federal government erected signs in a wilderness area south of Phoenix that warn visitors about immigrant and drug smugglers passing through public lands. She said the stash houses where smugglers hide immigrants from Mexico before bringing them into the country's interior have become a fixture on the news in Arizona.

"You can barely go a day without a location being found in Phoenix where there are numerous people being harbored," said Bolton, who didn't issue a ruling after the two hearings.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_immigr...izona_lawsuits

Obviously the law must be struck down. We can't have 50 different state immigration laws. What if Colorado says, "we welcome immigrants with open arms".... that would directly conflict with AZ's law as well as federal law.

Shooting this law down is a no-brainer. :2 cents:

Of course this law is constitutional. It's a simple law that says you need to check ID for anyone a police officer comes into contact with. If they cannot produce a valid US ID, there's something wrong.

If they happen to be French tourists on vacation, all they need to do is produce a valid passport and then check the database to see when they entered the country to make sure they are here legally. Very fucking simple.

Just like when they check my car registration when they pull me over.

So if you happen to be Hispanic and happen to be out and about without your ID, you run the risk of being arrested and deported. Nice.

50 unique State immigration laws. That won't be confusing or anything.

The AZ Law is pretty much the same as the Federal Law, it just gives the State the power to enforce the law. The State has the right to make this law, much like Cali has the right to make it's own pot laws and choose to enforce them or not.

The Hispanic that is legal would have a DL, they would be a in registered car, have insurance and a SSN/Tax ID of some kind, an address, work location... an actual history.

You will not get deported unless you are here illegally. Also, the Supreme Court has upheld similar cases before, like Hiibel vs. Nevada:

During a valid investigative stop (established under Terry v. Ohio), a police officer can require persons to identify themselves if they have ?reasonable suspicion? that this information is pertinent to an investigation they are conducting in the course of enforcing a clear and specific state law. Individuals who refuse to respond may be detained and arrested by the enforcement officers.

Again, so if you happen to be Hispanic and out & about without your ID, you run the risk of being arrested & jailed until you can prove you are a citizen. There's no way this will stand as a valid law.

bullshit there are processes you know that, were you really in the military? identification is first. they will finger print you. your in a place where the cup has run over with illegals. :helpme get to work you have anchor babies to support :1orglaugh

And again.... so if you happen to be Hispanic and out & about without your ID, you run the risk of being arrested and jailed until you can PROVE you are a US citizen. What if they start doing the same thing for black people & white people? Jail you until you can prove your citizenship. That be cool with you?

The biggest two problems with the AZ law are:

1. They are usurping federal authority. Uncool in the eyes of the feds.
2. They are presuming all Hispanics to be guilty until proven innocent.

And we don't work that way here in the good ol' US.

You're a fucking moron.

LOL

You are wrong on both accounts.

Wow, what insight you have. Must be easy to toss up insults without any more thought than a mushroom.

I can do it too, see.... you're a fucking moron. LOL

:)

That's totally cool with me. I can prove my citizenship in about 3 seconds.

Oh really?

Immigration isn't a federal authority?

Hispanics in AZ won't be arrested if they don't have ID and can't prove on the spot that they are citizens?


'Splain me how I'm "wrong on both counts" please.

1) Uncool as Cali's pot laws I guess.

2) Why does it have to be Hispanics? Anyone with an accent or that couldn't speak English, that happens to be doing something that warrants the police ask for information, and they can't or wont communicate the situation, would of course be subject to this.

It already has stood as a valid law for anyone in the US since 2004. Hiibel vs. Nevada, upheld by the US Supreme Court.

You and I both know that in practice on the street, the AZ police will be targeting Hispanics, not white Frenchmen. Don't be ridiculous.

Right now in AZ, if you're Hispanic, can't speak English or refuse to communicate, and the police, sheriff or feds pull you over or have reason to ask for your id, and you can't provide it. The exact same thing happens now as will happen with the new law, however the end process will now be different for the illegal immigrant criminal.

well thursday is coming the judge said parts of the law will make it some parts are in question but illegals will be in jail friday. no beber cerveza :)

On the street they won't be asking Hispanics for ID's... When the police have a proper reason to ask for the ID, I think the chances are equal that a Hispanic or a Frenchman will be asked for ID and treated equally if they don't have it.

The law does have protection written into it, the departments here are training officers, and making sure they don't target Hispanics, because the department and officer can be sued, and groups are waiting for the slip up.

On a side note: Washoe County Jail (Reno, NV) now fingerprints everyone booked in to the jail and their prints are scanned against the ICE database. ICE even has an office at the jail.

They should just make everyone swipe their ID cards at home, before the "system" allows your front door to be unlocked.

Simple convenience, only criminals should be concerned.

man this is a stupid argument. :2 cents: we border south america not france. thats bullshit. if we bordered vietnam guess what we would have vietnamese here. :helpme

Who issues your license plate, Einstein?

Who issues your passport?

You should get your money back from whatever law school you went to.

yeah thats a good idea for canada :)

Embedded chips that broadcast info about us, we wouldn't want to misplace our cards and be locked in/out of the house. Then no more keys for the car or house, could link up our bank accounts, id, credit report, you wouldn't have to keep anything on you. Bars, clubs, casinos could always be sure people are over age or maybe make enough money to enter.

Life could always get better :thumbsup

The first Hispanic US citizen that gets "accidentally" deported or tased 12 times on the street for not having his ID with him, is going to be big front page headline news on every major mainstream news channel and website in the world.

The inevitable lawsuit that follows will be glorious.

pump the brakes there doc. :helpme

My point exactly. They will be targeting Hispanics. That's not legal here.

1) They are in court right now determining what is federal and what is not federal.

2) You claimed they would be stopping every single Hispanic person they see. Arizona is over 30% Hispanic, and those are the legals. No, I do not believe they will be stopping 3 out of 10 people for their paperwork.

You keep forgetting that these same laws are in place elsewhere. You completely ignore that fact, again and again.

I think you are just trolling these days for something to do. Are you really that bored?

Yes. :disgust

yeah if it happens it will be cheaper. but its funny how there are so many people that want to avoid the problem. hospitals filled with illegals, schools having to teach illegal children english cause their parents taught them spanish, illegalls collecting welfare while their husband works a job "under the table" etc etc etc.....

I never claimed any such thing Sly.

And how again is this different from the official "citizens" we have that do the same damn things?

Wrong, it's completely legal to use racial profiling.

Utopia will have to wait :disgust

because their here illegally! look it has to be addressed if they dont like it that fine as well both side know what the deal is.

well legal citizens break the law here their arrested. illegals are breaking the law being here i think you just want to argue i have to work. have a good argument man. :thumbsup

problem is, french tourists wouldn't be asked for their passport.. french id and 'we're tourists' would be enough