Do you as an American want Trump to FAIL ??
 

Serious question.

I get the feeling many would be happy for his 4 years (or more) to be nothing more than a complete disaster. Regardless of the consequences.


Just to prove they were "right".





Scary way of thinking if actually the case... :2 cents::2 cents:

Generally speaking, I avoid the political threads because nothing positive ever comes from them. Certainly, political threads tend to degenerate quickly as some folks are seemingly incapable of civil conversation, and instead resort to ad hominem attacks, name calling, etc.

Having said that, whether you like Trump or not, think he won or not, hoping he fails, etc. consider that things could be much worse -- Pence could be president.

From where I sit, I hope he's healthy for his entire run as President because I think Pence is far more dangerous to everyone and everything than Trump will ever be.

LOL as if the God Emperor is gonna fail. We are gonna win so much that we are gonna get tired of winning.

I want us to win, Trump just hasn't instilled any confidence in those who didn't vote for him, so I hope for the best.

I'm an A type personality so I go at thing at all angles and like to know exactly where we're headed, how we're gonna get there, and who's taking us there.

Trump doesn't have specifics, and the things he did have specifics on he's backtracked, that concerns me.

I do hope for the best and I'll be watching the inauguration just like I watched both conventions. Whoever you voted for, you voted because you give a lot of fucks about your country and you want the best for all of us :thumbsup

Tip: Foreigners support Trump because they want us to fail :winkwink:

I supported him because the thought of Hillary was the more scary option. By a distance...

that is a pretty loaded question. Why would anyone, especially in the US, want him to fail exactly? last i checked 'i told you so's' were still worthless.

Didn't you see the way he operates with building the Scottish golf courses? He kissed off the whole town, lawsuits pending. He didn't get his way with some residents so built a fence to obstruct their ocean views.

A lot of spiteful crazy shit, total disaster he's losing millions and not paying taxes to the town or country.

I want him to be arrested for stealing people's money.

I'm pretty sure a fairly large % would like to see him fail miserably.

And this is the US we are talking about. Haven't you been watching all the vids since the vote ??


People still walking about chanting "not my president" are fucking imbeciles...

He offered them enough money to buy a fucking island and have their own ocean views...

We don't want him to fail because then we get Pence. We don't want him causing drama everyday. We don't want him putting himself before country. We don't want him starting another war / conflict.

We want things better for everyone, not just his super rich friends in the cabinet he picked. If Trump fails that means suffering and nobody wants that. We want Trump to succeed at keeping America the great country it is and making it better, especially in cyber security :thumbsup

You're implying that because he offered them money to leave their homes, and they refused the offer, they get what they deserve with him being spiteful & tormenting them, while lowering their quality of life.

I don't care about being right.. I would absolutely love him to "Make MERICA Great" and succeed at helping my country. The problem is, his idea of Making MERICA Great does not coexist with rational thinking or reality..

His making MERICA great means fucking the middle class and enriching the 1% even more. I do not want him to succeed in that and hope he fails at that. Now if he want to figure out ways to create good paying jobs and not lower the taxes of specific groups at the expense of others while spending us into massive debt, then I'm all for it..

ie failure/success all depends on what he tries to do.. :2 cents: The problem is, so far everything we've been warned about with Trump is ringing true.. None of it is good. You don't have to wait for your house to burn down to yell fire..

No one wants America to fail. But just about everyone is afraid that it will, under Trump.

All jokes, all kidding, all insults, EVERYTHING aside, people are worried that he will be the worst person to ever hold the extremely important job of President of the United States of America.

Im a foreigner and he scares the living shit out of me

many wanted the same for obama.

Good question. But if America fails I won't be to blame. Trump won't be 100% to blame either -- he wiil have had a lot of help.

It is well known that I hate Trump. But do I want him to fail? Of course not. I honestly hope he does well. However, I highly doubt he will do well.

Everything he is doing is setting himself up for failure.

Appointing Ben Carson to run HUD is a great example. Trump says he wants Carson to run HUD because Carson is a "good leader". On the face of it that sounds like a good idea, but do you honestly mean to tell me that out of the three hundred and twenty million people in the United States Trump couldn't find someone who had some knowledge of housing and urban development AND was a good leader? Did he even try?

The woman he wants to put in charge of education is another fail. This woman grew up with a silver spoon in her mouth and has never attended public school, nor has her children. She wants to create some kind of school voucher system, so parents can place their children in a private school. What she doesn't understand is that the US government is on average $11k. No private school will touch that, and the aveage American family cannot afford to kick in "extra" money to combine with a "voucher" to put their kids through school.

Trump seems to think he is in charge here, and frankly, he isn't. He cannot just pick up the phone and call another country and reverse forty years of US policy by mistake. This was on of the first things he did, and he completely fucked it up. He doesn't seem to understand our intelligence agencies work for him, but instead he seems to be taking advice from someone outside of the US intelligence agency. You must be kidding me, right? The most advanced intelligence agency in the world and instead Trump is going to trust someone he barely knows?

This is not going to end well.

doesnt matter if he fails or not, His actions and cabinet picks shows he's for big money and not the common man. Big money will win either way

I don't want him to fail because if he does well, the country does well.

That said, there are a few things I wouldn't mind seeing him fail at. I have a asthma and until Obamacare came around I was not able to buy health insurance. Now I can. I understand Obamacare has serious problems and needs to be fixed, but if the republicans decide to do something that fucks with my ability to buy health insurance I hope they fail at that. They also want to defund Planned Parenthood. I hope they fail at that as well. I'm sure there are other things as well, but off the top of my head, I can't think of them.

So, overall, I hope he does well, but there are some things they are talking about that I don't like and hope they don't succeed at.

You mean he hasn't instilled in you.

Don't speak for the rest of us.

You're easy to please. You'll roll over for any big mouth in a suit. I don't.

8 Years Of Winning. +1 :thumbsup

Which sounds fair overall i guess. I think most our governments are like that. We have them. We are stuck with then. We kinda hope they don't introduce more shit to fuck us over, but in the long term it's better if it goes down as a good term, rather than a god awful one. Regardless if you liked/voted for them in the first place...

I speak for you and everyone else. Try and stop me "baddog" muahahahaha :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Trump hasn't instilled confidence in most Americans. His approval rating as President Elect is very low.

That's okay - at least you'll be able to buy her families Amway products in any school... :1orglaugh
It was amazing to hear her confirmation hearings..schools would no longer be gun free zones because some schools have problems with grizzly bears :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

But that's okay - her husbands company (Blackwater) can guard all of the schools - especially the charter schools that she wants set up and funded by taxpayers for students to attend

Our public schools have turned to shit because Republicans keep redirecting funds to privately owned for profit charter schools. They're all over where I live out here.

So think about this. You pay taxes for public schools, public schools are such carp you pay out the ass for a charter school. So you're paying TWICE!

Kind of like Trumps wall. We pay first, build the wall, charged a tariff and prices go up for goods to compensate for tariff, we pay twice!

Perhaps no one wants America to fail - but they certainly don't want to give Trump the credit. As a Canadian watching the world is shocked and many may not want democracy after watching the childish antics of people who dislike him getting elected. Calls for riots, suicide and all out civil disobedience just to show their anger - it really is sad.

Ok fine - you don't like him, but instead of complaining how about respect and look at the big picture. This guy is running the country so help him do it. Experience, past history, allegations of bad judgement aside - help him do the job as head of the free world. To many times American's just let politicians do whatever they want without ever making a difference. So make a difference and think of the country first rather than the your fears.

This is something that I hate - the "rich" trying to tell everyone else that "they know better". No, they don't. In their world they can pay tens of thousands of dollars for schooling for their kids. Most Americans cannot do this.

A lot of politicians and their supporters want the other side to fail and bring the country down. Just to prove themselves right and get into power. When they do, they fail to do any better. Being in opposition is more about stopping the ruling side doing anything than improving the country.

I don't want him to fail, but he already has before even taking office. Many of his cabinet positions aren't even filled yet due to the incompetency of his transition effort, and lack of vetting. I'm not talking about the prominent positions that we see on the news, but many of the very important smaller slots to be filled in his administration. There's a ton of them, and they're still empty -- and they still will be next week when he takes office. And probably the week after that, and so on.

If this is any sign of how he's going to run things, then we're in for a major shit show.

So it's not even a question really of whether I want him to fail -- I have zero confidence in his abilities to be president. Less than zero. He's a fucking dumbass and doesn't know where he stands on anything because he's a con man that says whatever he thinks will propel him through the next few moments. I'm confused as to why any person can't know this when they see it, because to me it's as clear as looking at the sky and knowing it's blue.

Donald Trump is a sham and has always been, and you will all find out over the next four years if you haven't joined the smart people who know it already.

You're basing your opinions on what has happened in the past and those things have not worked. Our education system is rated 14th in the world, we're behind Poland? Thniking outside the box is exactly what we need.

Same places you get your news about him is also the places that told you that Hillary was going to win. Maybe you should put down the kool-aid?

Maybe you should look at the people that Obama picked with little to no experience in their fields and the failures that came from them?

Like Eric holder, the first AG in history to be in contempt of Congress

Betsy Devos failed miserably with her policies in Michigan, thats not the kind of "outside the box" we need to make America great again. Her husband failed to get elected because of the Michigan disaster they created, now she paid off Trump to get the secretary of education position to implement her failed policies from the inside. Why do you support Davos?

trump next 8 years sorry

I support a change in the way we are doing things, the US is ranked 14th in the world, so the way we are doing things are wrong. We trail Poland?

Republicans have been siphoning off public education money for charter schools, that's what's been making public education fail. Hardly anymore sports, no recess, no civics classes, teach to pass the test, not learn the content because of lack of materials, it's a nightmare.

Christians who want charter schools don't want to pay for them themselves, they want the government to pay, and the parents of the child pays the school, so they get money from both ends.

So you want change, but want to do it the same way?

DONALD J. TRUMP?S VISION

Immediately add an additional federal investment of $20 billion towards school choice. This will be done by reprioritizing existing federal dollars.
Give states the option to allow these funds to follow the student to the public or private school they attend. Distribution of this grant will favor states that have private school choice, magnet schools and charter laws, encouraging them to participate.
Establish the national goal of providing school choice to every one of the 11 million school aged children living in poverty.
If the states collectively contribute another $110 billion of their own education budgets toward school choice, on top of the $20 billion in federal dollars, that could provide $12,000 in school choice funds to every K-12 student who today lives in poverty.
Work with Congress on reforms to ensure universities are making a good faith effort to reduce the cost of college and student debt in exchange for the federal tax breaks and tax dollars.
Ensure that the opportunity to attend a two or four-year college, or to pursue a trade or a skill set through vocational and technical education, will be easier to access, pay for, and finish.
Read Mr. Trump's Remarks in Cleveland, Ohio.

KEY ISSUES

At the state and federal level, the United States spends more than $620 billion on K-12 education each year. That?s an average of about $12,296 for every student enrolled in our elementary and secondary public schools.
We spend more per student than almost any other major country in the world. Yet, our students perform near the bottom of the pack for major large advanced countries.
Our students continue to lag behind their peers worldwide in knowledge gained. [American Federation for Children Growth Fund]
Among 34 Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development nations, the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) found 27 countries outperformed U.S students in math. [National Center for Education Statistics]
The same assessment found 17 countries outperformed U.S. students in reading. [National Center for Education Statistics]
Our largest cities spend some of the largest amounts of money on public schools:
New York City spends $20,226 per student.
Baltimore spends $15,287 per student.
Chicago spends $11,976 per student.
Los Angeles spends $10,602 per student.
School choice is vital to reverse inequities in education and failing government schools in Democrat-controlled inner cities. According to the National Assessment of Education Progress, only one in six African-American students in the eighth grade are considered proficient in math and reading. In 2016, over 2 million high school graduates took the ACT:
45 percent of all students tested met three or more benchmarks related to college preparedness.
Only 11 percent of African American students tested met three or more of the benchmarks for college and career readiness. [The Condition of College and Career Readiness, 2016]
It is time for school choice to help free children from failing government schools and close the achievement gap. School choice is the civil rights issue of our time.
CONTRAST WITH HILLARY CLINTON

Hillary opposes school choice, furthering education inequities in America and denying low-income African-American and Latino children the future they deserve.
Hillary Clinton claims Donald Trump?s school choice proposal would ?decimate public schools across America.?
It is no surprise Mrs. Clinton opposes school choice because she is supported by the staunchest opponents of school choice ? The American Federation of Teachers super PAC ? which donated $1.6 million to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation and more than $2 million to Hillary?s 2016 presidential campaign. [Wall Street Journal, June 28, 2016]

You really are too fucking dense. Drive your hog into a utility pole soon, please.

He was selected bit it not polite if someone like Trumpnto fail

No! I dont think so

When all else fails, grab em' by the pussy...

So wide of the mark it's indescribable.

I think many would, but they aren't the majority of people in my opinion.. they are just the vocal/opiniated ones, of which you need to be; to be a board poster, or social media user in political threads etc in the first place

subsitute 'rich' for 'politicians' and that statement is still true. Except we have the experience of living memory to see how well the 'experienced' politicians have done (overall, not just on your street and how your neighbours are doing). I may be wrong about the US, but there aren't many senior UK politicians whose kids go to free schools.