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Barry-xlovecam 03-08-2011 09:24 PM
The Affiliate Cookie is Dead!
 
Sorry, but if you believe in cookies ? you are seriously kidding yourselves.

I am going to estimate, without asserting any verifying fact, that at 1/3 of your payment cookies are being rejected by the modern browsers' private browsing features or the cookies are deleted regularly manually or by some program (window wiper or other).

To make matters worse for you; http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381650,00.asp

Quote:
Adobe on Tuesday released Flash Player 10.3 beta, which provides users with greater control over the program's privacy and storage options.

Going forward, users will be able to clear local storage - sometimes known as "Flash cookies" - on versions of Chrome, Internet Explorer, Safari, and Firefox. "Cookies" are little bits of data collected about your Internet activity. They can be useful - like remembering passwords and settings on sites that you surf to frequently - but there are also concerns about targeted advertising and how much data is really collected.

Web cookies can be deleted, but management of cookies inside products like Flash are a bit more complex. Adobe said Tuesday, however, that Flash Player 10.3 Beta "integrates control of local storage with the browser's privacy settings," something the company promised in January.

As a result, "users will have a simpler way to clear local storage from the browser settings interface, similar to how they clear their browser cookies today," Adobe said. (empathsis added.)...
The writing has been on the wall for some time ? now the new flash program will allow users to easily manage their "Flash Cookies (LSO [Local Shared Objects]) Read DELETE or REJECT ....

The walls of the last "cookie refuge" have tumbled down ...



"Paint it Black," RIP

HarryMuff 03-08-2011 09:26 PM
links pulled

digitaldivas 03-08-2011 09:29 PM
yes, the affiliate model is dying a pretty long, drawn out, slow death, unfortunately.

Barry-xlovecam 03-08-2011 10:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldivas (Post 17967088)
yes, the affiliate model is dying a pretty long, drawn out, slow death, unfortunately.
The Affiliate "business model" is not dead or dying ? it is just that the smart sponsors are modifying the terms under which they compensate their business partners ( the affiliate).

I guess the first step is to think of the Affiliate as a "business partner." Offering just cookies for payment does not say that nor cut it anymore.

blackmonsters 03-08-2011 10:50 PM
Well, unless the surfer will change IP address between clicking my link and joining
the pay site, the IP tracking should record my sale.

FlexxAeon 03-08-2011 11:19 PM
i've yet to see a sponsor worth a damn not already have a non-cookie solution

leg4 03-09-2011 12:56 AM
This is why I suggested that AFFILIATE PROGRAMS create a Better/more caring reliationship with their affiliates.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=1011400

bns666 03-09-2011 05:03 AM
fucking up with user's cookies is evident for a longer period of time now...

BJ 03-09-2011 05:14 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SvsaNpaytx...ie_Monster.jpg

CamTraffic 03-09-2011 05:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 17967156)
The Affiliate "business model" is not dead or dying ? it is just that the smart sponsors are modifying the terms under which they compensate their business partners ( the affiliate).

I guess the first step is to think of the Affiliate as a "business partner." Offering just cookies for payment does not say that nor cut it anymore.
The affiliate biz model is dying, sorry

mpisexpi 03-09-2011 05:42 AM
affiliate model died! and there is no money in porn for affiliater...

DangerX !!! 03-09-2011 05:43 AM
Oh snap... no more cookies?

seeandsee 03-09-2011 05:43 AM
we need direct tracking, then we need ip tracking and some much better tracking for returning people

CaptainHowdy 03-09-2011 06:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldivas (Post 17967088)
yes, the affiliate model is dying a pretty long, drawn out, slow death, unfortunately.
http://www.damienmason.com/site/wp-c.../12/scream.jpg

Puremeds-J 03-09-2011 07:12 AM
I'm sure TMM will stay ahead of the game and keep all your referral sales safe and secure :)

just a punk 03-09-2011 07:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlexxAeon (Post 17967197)
i've yet to see a sponsor worth a damn not already have a non-cookie solution
Many sponsors has a non-cookie tracking models. E.g. Royal Cash.

u-Bob 03-09-2011 07:28 AM
Sponsors that track using cookies will enjoy this in the short run because they won't be crediting their affiliates for a big part of the traffic they are sending. However, they will lose a lot of traffic in the long run as their affiliates ratios keep getting worse and worse.

czarina 03-09-2011 07:31 AM
what are systems like Epoch and CCBill doing about this, anyone knows?

blackmonsters 03-09-2011 08:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by czarina (Post 17967683)
what are systems like Epoch and CCBill doing about this, anyone knows?
They should be doing nothing since any system that only uses cookies is out of date
by a decade . IP tracking has been around for a long time.
Since the beginning of the internet in fact.

This question comes up all the time and the answer is always the same.

This cookie shit is becoming the new "Birther Movement". :1orglaugh

PR_Glen 03-09-2011 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by leg4 (Post 17967272)
This is why I suggested that AFFILIATE PROGRAMS create a Better/more caring reliationship with their affiliates.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=1011400
dude, we have over 30 000 members.. I ASSURE you, we are not going to call you... down right insane to even suggest it...

If you have an issue hit us up.

ruff 03-09-2011 09:02 AM
I doubt people will be using the private browsing feature anymore than rushing out to buy porn on their mobile. Remember the script that strips out the ad banners on web pages? More Chicken Little. Cookies are going to be around for a long time. Tracking by IP, seems like it would work great on mobile devices, eh?

bns666 03-09-2011 09:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by czarina (Post 17967683)
what are systems like Epoch and CCBill doing about this, anyone knows?
i heared ccbill is preparing something big for 2035 (right after they done something big in 1990s) :)

iamtam 03-09-2011 09:06 AM
actually this is good for affiliates. remove cookies from the mix, replace with no-leak tours and proper id passing, and the correct affiliate who sent the traffic will get paid for the traffic. the end of cookie stuffing would be good for the average affiliate.

pornguy 03-09-2011 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruff (Post 17967851)
I doubt people will be using the private browsing feature anymore than rushing out to buy porn on their mobile. Remember the script that strips out the ad banners on web pages? More Chicken Little. Cookies are going to be around for a long time. Tracking by IP, seems like it would work great on mobile devices, eh?
thats one of the tricky things.. They like to turn those things on for you and not really explain what it does.

I recall back in the day AOL was all about setting the parental controls like that. Then one day they hid them to make it harder to switch them off.

ruff 03-09-2011 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 17967880)
thats one of the tricky things.. They like to turn those things on for you and not really explain what it does.

I recall back in the day AOL was all about setting the parental controls like that. Then one day they hid them to make it harder to switch them off.
So far as I'm aware, the major browser require you to enable the privacy feature. A lot of mainstream sites rely on cookies as well. The browsing experience basically sucks with the privacy feature enabled. So I don't see it becoming popular enough to impact my affiliate sales.

Rochard 03-09-2011 10:01 AM
Maybe the pay per click model will come back.... That would be nice.

cordoba 03-09-2011 10:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 17968001)
Maybe the pay per click model will come back.... That would be nice.
Isn't that tracked by cookies as well?

ruff 03-09-2011 10:08 AM
What would happen to Google without the cookie?

signupdamnit 03-09-2011 10:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruff (Post 17967943)
So far as I'm aware, the major browser require you to enable the privacy feature. A lot of mainstream sites rely on cookies as well. The browsing experience basically sucks with the privacy feature enabled. So I don't see it becoming popular enough to impact my affiliate sales.
No it won't impact your sales as a sponsor. In fact you will actually gain more sales from your affiliates without having to pay them. Even without cookies you'll still get credit for surfers who join your sites. It's the affiliates who get ripped off.

You say it shouldn't negatively impact your affiliate sales but it definitely will not be having a positive impact on affiliates. Even if the number is 5% that's still 5% more that the affiliate is losing and sending the sponsor for free without compensation. 5% here, 5% there, 5% a year ago, 5% when this browser enables the feature by default etc and before you know it the affiliate is losing 30% of sales sent while the sponsor laughs all the way to the bank with what used to be the affiliate's money.

It's almost like having an account with a bank who will not credit you for any deposits if the last digit of the minute during which the deposit transaction is made is a 1, 2, or 3. This would be considered outrageous and unacceptable. It's time for affiliates to demand some changes.

ruff 03-09-2011 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 17968084)
No it won't impact your sales as a sponsor. In fact you will actually gain more sales from your affiliates without having to pay them. Even without cookies you'll still get credit for surfers who join your sites. It's the affiliates who get ripped off.

You say it shouldn't negatively impact your affiliate sales but it definitely will not be having a positive impact on affiliates. Even if the number is 5% that's still 5% more that the affiliate is losing and sending the sponsor for free without compensation. 5% here, 5% there, 5% a year ago, 5% when this browser enables the feature by default etc and before you know it the affiliate is losing 30% of sales sent while the sponsor laughs all the way to the bank with what used to be the affiliate's money.

It's almost like having an account with a bank who will not credit you for any deposits if the last digit of the minute during which the deposit transaction is made is a 1, 2, or 3. This would be considered outrageous and unacceptable. It's time for affiliates to demand some changes.
Well, I won't argue with you about that, without cookies the affiliates definitely will be hurting. To clarify, although I do have a sponsor program, I am derive a great deal of my income from my affiliate sales of others programs. What I think is that it will be insignificant. I don't think there will be a wholesale use of the privacy feature. The people that want to use it are not there in big numbers in my opinion. Try using a browser with the privacy feature enabled for a day or so. It's so utterly inconvenient, that you would switch back as soon as possible. In the corporate environment where you would find users that could use this function, the IT dept has already pretty much made porn inaccessible.

Tracking by IP is no better, obviously that only works with static IP addresses and even those change unless the customer is paying a fee for it. I don't even believe there is static IP addresses for mobile. So when you get down to it, there actually is not a better tracking solution than the cookie. So much Internet commerce relies on it, that until everyone is assigned a permanent IP address, nothing much is going to change.

Just imagine usernames/passwords, I use a ton of them and several programs to manage them. With the privacy feature enabled, I have to remember the user/pass for every single site I go to and, believe me, that is going to get old in a hurry.

blackmonsters 03-09-2011 11:14 AM

Fat Panda 03-09-2011 11:17 AM
ccbill is stuck in the 1990s

woj 03-09-2011 11:17 AM
the flash part is non-news, I don't think any adult sponsor uses "flash cookies" for tracking, do they?

Markul 03-09-2011 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruff (Post 17968153)
Well, I won't argue with you about that, without cookies the affiliates definitely will be hurting. To clarify, although I do have a sponsor program, I am derive a great deal of my income from my affiliate sales of others programs. What I think is that it will be insignificant. I don't think there will be a wholesale use of the privacy feature. The people that want to use it are not there in big numbers in my opinion. Try using a browser with the privacy feature enabled for a day or so. It's so utterly inconvenient, that you would switch back as soon as possible. In the corporate environment where you would find users that could use this function, the IT dept has already pretty much made porn inaccessible.

Tracking by IP is no better, obviously that only works with static IP addresses and even those change unless the customer is paying a fee for it. I don't even believe there is static IP addresses for mobile. So when you get down to it, there actually is not a better tracking solution than the cookie. So much Internet commerce relies on it, that until everyone is assigned a permanent IP address, nothing much is going to change.

Just imagine usernames/passwords, I use a ton of them and several programs to manage them. With the privacy feature enabled, I have to remember the user/pass for every single site I go to and, believe me, that is going to get old in a hurry.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Barry-xlovecam 03-09-2011 01:37 PM
What tracked with this?
 


Really now ...

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Barry-xlovecam 03-09-2011 01:44 PM
VistaPrint.com;

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I have intentionally selected a few mainstream sites ...
It is not my intention to start a shooting war ...

2MuchMark 03-09-2011 04:13 PM
Not sure, but I think that ADobe is talking about the Cookies stored in Flash, not in the browser. Yes, Flash tracks surfers too.

When you clear your cookies in IE for example, you are clearing your web cookies. Any cookie-like info collected from Flash remains in place when you only clear your web cookies.

Adobe's update announced now makes it easier to clear your flash cookies.

That being said, the affiliate model sucks anyway. Demand for higher and higher commissions and more and more tools and hosted-everything coupled with the fickleness (sp?) of most affiliates make the affiliate model less and less interesting for program owners. It is much cheaper and easier to buy ads these days, and has been for years.

pornmasta 03-09-2011 05:19 PM
omg porn is dead ! again...

Barry-xlovecam 03-09-2011 06:03 PM
I don't think "porn is dead" nor the "affiliate business model" is obsolete. However, I do think that we all need to rethink our marketing strategies realizing the slippage of our affiliate's revenue directly related to our tracking processes.

As far as those sponsors claiming perfect tracking ? make some test buys ... and see ???

Barry-xlovecam 03-10-2011 08:58 AM
YOU WIN with Xlovecam
 
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The only time HTTP cookies are needed is for return visits that are type-ins and of referred customers that have not registered. If they use your links the PHP session will capture the ID. If the customer logs in to their account you are credited with any sale.

IP's change (DHCP) and also their U-A (user-agent [browser signature]) can change, I don't consider that a reliable method. Feel free to test this — I did to verify this before posting — PASSED (we checked the database to make sure).

We have followed this PHP session since our Affiliate Program started in 2004 ...

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notime 03-10-2011 09:49 AM
Recall posting about it in 2009 when it was in the making still.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=938964

ajrocks 03-10-2011 11:18 AM
Cookie monster is stuffing your cookies!

FlexxAeon 03-10-2011 11:51 AM
this thread is funny

just a punk 03-11-2011 01:20 AM
No prob. There are many way to set up a cookie even if user has them disabled. E.g.: http://samy.pl/evercookie/ - the affiliate programs can use this script.

But do they really want it?..

woj 03-11-2011 07:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 17972018)
No prob. There are many way to set up a cookie even if user has them disabled. E.g.: http://samy.pl/evercookie/ - the affiliate programs can use this script.
pretty elite, good stuff :thumbsup

ShellyCrash 03-11-2011 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlexxAeon (Post 17967197)
i've yet to see a sponsor worth a damn not already have a non-cookie solution
:2 cents::thumbsup

Barry-xlovecam 03-11-2011 11:48 AM
Cookies are bullshit ...


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