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cherrylula

10-29-2011 04:25 AM

Occupy tents are a form of speech

My liberal friends in California think this is the "litmus test" for the OWS movement "spreading across the nation."

I know, too much to read.... you get the gist.

But here lies the question. Do you think the rest of the nation will follow Orange County allowing people to put up tents to protest? lol, I wonder.....

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Late last night after a 5 and-a-half hour marathon city council meeting,
in which 72 speakers took the floor to express the need for the Occupy OC
Tent Village to be accepted as a form of free speech, the city council
passed an emergency motion to add the needs of ?The 99%? to their official
agenda. This was a feat which, according to one more conservative
Councilman, he had never seen in 7 years of service.

The council members each spoke in turn to the civility, articulateness and
peaceful process represented by the Irvine Occupation at contrast with the
several other Occupational Villages in California, which were, at that
very moment being tear-gassed. The general sentiment being: ?This is quite
clearly the model. And the occupation most in tune with city needs.?

One councilman stated clearly, ?I disagree with most of what you?re
saying. But you?ve clearly shown that this is an issue of free speech. So
if you need to sleep on our lawn? by all means? sleep on our lawn.?

Shortly after, a motion was brought to the council to grant license to the
occupiers to occupy the public space overnight citing the unusual form of
the movement. (Another first in council history.)

It was then passed unanimously to the sound of thunderous applause.

Shortly thereafter, the City Council was invited to attend the General
Assembly of the People. (Which takes place each night in the Occupation
Village at 7:00 PM.)

On a personal note? I myself was stopped by the Mayor on my way up the
hall, when he said, ?You know what concerns me?? ?What?s that?, I asked.
Expecting him to cite a civil code. ? ?Do you have enough blankets, or
should I get you some?? He asked.

http://www.occupy-oc.org/tears-strea...orm-of-speech/

cherrylula

10-29-2011 04:37 AM

If this was facebook, I would tag some of the people over here on this thread (stocktrader lol) but since there is no gfy social network I'll just hope the #OWS heads see this. :(

ottopottomouse

10-29-2011 06:12 AM

Wish I had a tent shop.

candyflip

10-29-2011 06:13 AM

Last night the police arrested 30 here in Rochester, NY as an OWS group tried to remain in the park after hours.

TheSquealer

10-29-2011 06:22 AM

i'm going to build a nice house at a downtown park as a form of free speech.

Shotsie

10-29-2011 06:35 AM

I could only imagine what some of the people on this board would be saying if they were alive during the 60's, they'd be having a fucking fit. They'd be the same ones who defended the war in Vietnam back then.

http://i44.tinypic.com/wajd05.jpg
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stocktrader23

10-29-2011 07:12 AM

I have no idea what each city will decide but it doesn't matter. After the clusterfuck in Oakland they've invited the protesters back. Each time they make arrests more people show up the next day. Pretty soon these larger cities will all have movements that are too big to jail (heh) if camping out remains the intention. Tents have been found previously to be protected speech but that doesn't mean city leaders will give a shit until sued and in front of the Supreme Court themselves.

stocktrader23

10-29-2011 07:33 AM

Things like this happening lead me to believe that the tents will stay in many areas.

http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/a...hville-arrests

Barry-xlovecam

10-29-2011 07:33 AM

If you can see the (potential) writing on the wall ...
Get ready for a long winter ...

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By Richard Danielson, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Thursday, July 21, 2011
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...blican/1181469

Homeland Security provides crowd-control training for 2012 Republican convention

TAMPA ? There are 402 days until next year's Republican National Convention in Tampa, but the Department of Homeland Security is already training police on crowd control.

Officers and deputies from Tampa, the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office and Lakeland so far have gone through the three-day course, which began in June. Others from around Tampa Bay have been invited.

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Charlotte Cops Preparing For Potential Riots Ahead of Dem. Convention

Posted on October 20, 2011
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/char...-ahead-of-dnc/

Police forces in Charlotte, NC, are preparing for unruly crowds when the 2012 Democratic National Convention comes to town, according to recent reports.

?Charlotte?s police department is already stocking up on riot gear and training officers in riot-control techniques in preparation for the event,? Newser reports.

Although the city already has a few hundred trained riot police, they have decided to recruit almost every one of them for intensive riot training?just in case.

This time the "crowd control training" must be taking on a real sense of certainty.

Caligari

10-29-2011 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18523121)

Things like this happening lead me to believe that the tents will stay in many areas.

http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/a...hville-arrests

The Nashville thing is incredible.
City imposes curfew.
Apparently they wait for some people to get out of a theater (who are breaking the curfew) and let them go home, then they go and arrest the protesters across the street for breaking the curfew.
I should add though, fortunately the night magistrate wasn't bought and found the arrests unconstitutional.
That is a miracle in Nashville.

Failed

10-29-2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Shotsie (Post 18523045)

Baddog, Squealer, Demon, 12Clicks, and Bonzo would be picking out the one person in that crowd that took a leak on the lawn and make him into the devil himself.

CaptainHowdy

10-29-2011 10:06 AM

For form of speech for the ones that don't have anything to say ...

BlackCrayon

10-29-2011 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed (Post 18523347)

Baddog, Squealer, Demon, 12Clicks, and Bonzo would be picking out the one person in that crowd that took a leak on the lawn and make him into the devil himself.

i'm willing to bet baddog was in some of the 60's protests.

epitome

10-29-2011 10:35 AM

People have been camping out in tents protesting the white house for decades and they've never had to leave. Hmmm

baddog

10-29-2011 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18523147)

Apparently they wait for some people to get out of a theater (who are breaking the curfew) and let them go home, then they go and arrest the protesters across the street for breaking the curfew.

Clearly, you do not understand curfew laws. :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18523396)

i'm willing to bet baddog was in some of the 60's protests.

You would win.

baddog

10-29-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18523441)

People have been camping out in tents protesting the white house for decades and they've never had to leave. Hmmm

It is Washington, D.C. Lots of things are different because it is the nation's capital. Just like all the National monuments and museums are free to get in. Irvine, CA is not even the capital of Orange County.

sperbonzo

10-29-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed (Post 18523347)

Baddog, Squealer, Demon, 12Clicks, and Bonzo would be picking out the one person in that crowd that took a leak on the lawn and make him into the devil himself.

This from the crowd that never went to a tea party protest, but rather went around trying to find every pic they could get on the internet to discredit them. Meanwhile I've actually been to the OCcupy Miami site twice and I've seen what I've seen first hand

epitome

10-29-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18523491)

So such protests are only allowed in DC?,, Did I miss the news about California finally breaking off into the pacific? Why did we disown it? We still have Hawaii out there.

baddog

10-29-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18523559)

So such protests are only allowed in DC?,, Did I miss the news about California finally breaking off into the pacific? Why did we disown it? We still have Hawaii out there.

You are comparing camping out in the nations capital to camping out at a park in some suburb. You don't see the difference?

Sly	10-29-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 18523559)

So such protests are only allowed in DC?,, Did I miss the news about California finally breaking off into the pacific? Why did we disown it? We still have Hawaii out there.

There is a bit of a difference between camping out in DC (where protests are fairly common and they know how to handle it) compared to camping out in some other random city (where they may not know how to handle it), logistically, politically, and for safety/health reasons.

I personally have no problem with Hooverville's so long as they aren't harassing nonparticipants.

crockett

10-29-2011 11:34 AM

While I don't want to see anyone hurt, I think it's good this country is finally getting back to some of it's protesting roots.

If you look at many countries in Europe their govt's are scared are of the people because they know they will riot over the drop of a hat.

Here in the US it's been a long time since the govt was scared of the people and I think it's about time they get a reality check.

Sly	10-29-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18523574)

Here in the US it's been a long time since the govt was scared of the people and I think it's about time they get a reality check.

I would like to see OWS go after every Senator/rep that has been in office over 12 years. I would send them money.

stocktrader23

10-29-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18523554)

It didn't take a picture to discredit them you dumb fuck. The Tea Party started getting negative reactions when it was co-opted by the conservative right wing fucksticks because they knew they were going to lose votes from the people associating with that group. Fox News and other conservative media full on endorsed the shit and made it out to be 100 times bigger than it was, Sarah Palin started speaking on behalf of them and the core group that started the Tea Party in the first place became disinterested in the bullshit and left.

It didn't take a picture to discredit them because they did it themselves every time they opened their stupid ass mouths. Every interview, every rallying cry from Fox News, every speaker they put on the stage and every half witted idea they proposed was leaps and bounds more effective in discrediting the morons than anyone posting a picture could ever be. The original Tea Party made sense, the new Tea Party is a mouthpiece for the retarded ultra conservatives out there and everyone with a brain hates them. They are hate filled, war mongering, poor hating asshats that want to control every aspect of our lives including teaching religious nonsense in our schools. They Tea Party conservatives that were elected to Congress have had their fingers in every fucked up action Congress has made since election day. Fuck them, fuck you, fuck off. :winkwink:

stocktrader23

10-29-2011 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18523570)

That is their point though. They are employing civil disobedience which by definition means breaking the law peacefully. It's not a new concept and for some reason a lot of people are hung up on the law breaking aspect of it when it has been part of the plan from day 1. Nashville has arrested protesters for two nights in a row for breaking their *new* curfew restrictions and both times they have been released by a judge. The first time it was because they weren't given adequate time to adjust to the new restrictions and the second time was because the judge found no instance of the law that could be used to stop them from assembling / camping out. Oakland has already backtracked and invited them back / minimized police presence, NYC has been reluctant to do a mass eviction with good reason and every time the government pushes back more people show up to support the movement.

Fun times.

Barry-xlovecam

10-29-2011 12:45 PM

?First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.? ... Mohandas Gandhi

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[W]e hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights,

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,

and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. .... ... United States Declaration of Independence (1776)

There is little distinction between this 1% and the "elected government."

novus ordo seclorum comes back to bite ...

crockett

10-29-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18523584)

I would like to see OWS go after every Senator/rep that has been in office over 12 years. I would send them money.

That wouldn't really change anything TBH.. One way or another no matter how new or old they are they end up owing someone under our current system.

What needs to change is is who and how much can be donated to a political campaign. It should be illegal for any business in any shape or form to donate to a campaign fund. Lobbying should be illegal end of story.

After that it should be only US citizens that can donate to a political campaign and it should be limited to $50-100 max. If anyone is caught violating these rules candidates included it should be a federal crime.

Do this and the "career politicians" will run away because there is no more money in it for them. Politicians should be get paid no more than nurses, teachers or policemen. Get rid of their ability to get rich in office and you will then get people whom "want" to do it for the people and for the country and not for the power & bank account.

sperbonzo

10-29-2011 01:21 PM

Thanks for proving my point. Just another sheep that can't be bothered to find out things for himself and just let's himself be spoonfed what he has decided that he is supposed to think Don't worry. You will always find a source that is nice an nonthreatening to your worldview. There's no need to go look for yourself in the real world. It's scary out there little lambikins...

(QUOTE=stocktrader23;18523588]It didn't take a picture to discredit them you dumb fuck. The Tea Party started getting negative reactions when it was co-opted by the conservative right wing fucksticks because they knew they were going to lose votes from the people associating with that group. Fox News and other conservative media full on endorsed the shit and made it out to be 100 times bigger than it was, Sarah Palin started speaking on behalf of them and the core group that started the Tea Party in the first place became disinterested in the bullshit and left.

It didn't take a picture to discredit them because they did it themselves every time they opened their stupid ass mouths. Every interview, every rallying cry from Fox News, every speaker they put on the stage and every half witted idea they proposed was leaps and bounds more effective in discrediting the morons than anyone posting a picture could ever be. The original Tea Party made sense, the new Tea Party is a mouthpiece for the retarded ultra conservatives out there and everyone with a brain hates them. They are hate filled, war mongering, poor hating asshats that want to control every aspect of our lives including teaching religious nonsense in our schools. They Tea Party conservatives that were elected to Congress have had their fingers in every fucked up action Congress has made since election day. Fuck them, fuck you, fuck off. :winkwink:[/QUOTE]

Sly	10-29-2011 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 18523796)

We are going to completely disagree then because I don't think your system will work either. Variations have been tried. There are too many easy ways around it and both parties play the game. Telling somebody that they can't donate just doesn't work.

Telling someone that you can only be an office twice... that's pretty concrete and pretty distinct. It works for many different types of office, I don't see why a senator would be much different. Not to mention, we need fresh blood anyway. How can you really know the American people if you have been stuck in DC for 30 years?

Paying a teacher's salary also doesn't make sense because although most of them are scum, it is a tough job and very demanding, particularly if you have a family. If you impose a $50k salary cap... your candidates are going to be lawyers, rich businessmen, and lackeys of rich businessmen (you can try to stop this, but again, so many ways around it.)

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