What Socialism Is - Americans Please Read
 

Socialism is not wealth redistribution but control of various industries in the economy, usually infrastructure to benefit the good of the people.

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt

Here is a graph showing British debt. Socialism came in after worldwar II when Britain was most in debt. If socialism cost money then how did we repay the debt? It ends during the 80s under Margaret Thatcher. You may notice that when it ends the debt starts growing again.

Socialism enabled the country to give all manufacturing contracts for oil, electricity, gas, rail etc to British based companies. This enabled mass employment at no cost to the the tax payer. It also enabled a very low unemployment rate and more money in the economy.

dont tell anyone in the USA you are a socialist...its very bad for business...

your profile picture is really similar to someone i went to school with

did you go to school in canada?

The problem with socialism in America is that Americans don't understand what socialism means, and then you have some who just refuse to understand even though they are capable.

They dont understand it because they have been continually lied about it. Dont want to break the status quo. Dont want the people to realise there is a system that empowers them.

True. They also try blaming ails on capitalism and democracy, when the United States is neither of those either.

Provide a working example of where a self proclaimed socialist government empowered the people.

No government is X, Y, or Z. They are all XZ, XW, YZ, etc.

I believe in the freedom of people to interact with each other freely. That's capitalism. And it doesnt exist.



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Norway, Sweden, Denmark.

You are right these countries listed above have both. But like I said in my first post not everything is socialised just the infrastructure and utilities.

Obama is a muslim socialist. Or is he a Wall St. pawn? Or a chicago thug? I can't keep it straight anymore.

You forgot Kenyan, Marxist, Zionist, illegal alien.

You forgot Finland and Iceland.

There are certain trigger words most Americans have been conditioned to hate and regard as a dirty word. This is one of them. If you want to see something interesting try to study the process by which such words came to be regarded with such a stigma.

We already have a guide to follow; the Constitution.

Stop looking elsewhere for solutions when the answer is right under your nose :2 cents:

at no cost to the the tax payer?

How you figure...

None of those countries are socialist.

For example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway

I watched a documentary recently which showed how unions had been demonised over a period of time starting with Marlon Brando in On The Waterfront.

Did you actually read my post? Instead of the profits from the companies going to the elite who own it they are pumped straight back into the economy.

Again did you read what I posted? I didnt say all industries just key ones.

There are certain trigger words like "socialism" that Europeans like to throw around to position themselves as the opposite of everyone else and to imply they are more compassionate, caring and somehow different.

There is a reason why Sweden, Norway and Denmark also have some of the most aggressive tax enforcement in the world... i'll give you a hint, its not because everyone is happy to line up and pay.

Society can be broken down into 2 sections; economics and social policy.

Not many people argue for an authoritarian state. I agree with the "Libertarians" on this board when they argue for a small state; I'd go one further and abolish the state altogether.

However, I don't believe free market neo-liberalism is the best for society. In fact the closer we move towards it the worse it gets. Corporatism is capitalism unrestrained, monopolistic businesses that have unlimited influence in politics.

Today's financial crises wasn't caused by over-regulation of the markets, it'd be stupid to argue that fact. But your solution to let the banks go bust would have let this entire

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Lucy - CSC >> what means CSC ?

Socialism never did any good in Denmark..

When ever Denmark has a socialistic government they borrow a shitload of money to keep up a welware we cant afford..

So yes, when the left wing makes the decisions, we seem do to ok, but it's all for borrowed money.. which builds up a huge debt for our children to pay.

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That isnt Socialism that is borrowing a shit load of money and spending it stupidily.

as 'Hayek' put it in the second Keynes vs Hayek rap video: "Econometricians... are they doing real science or confirming their bias?"

£100 in 1910 is equivalent to +- £8800 in 2010. That's how those interventionists pay for all their projects. They print new money; inflating the money supply, causing a decrease in exchange value of the money already in circulation (including that in your savings account) (see: law of supply and demand), resulting in a shift of wealth towards the point in the economy where the new money was injected (the government and its cronies) (see: Cantillon effect).

btw: Socialism and ethics: http://mises.org/books/socialism/part4_ch27.aspx

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Fox News and the Republicans made it a dirty word so you are correct.

yes tell me, what's its name ?
Just the name of it.

You arent a pornstar with a high twitter following so it is of no interest to you!

Is that you in your avatar?

CSC: promote communism, socialism, communism ?

Yep


Communism, Socialism and a big dose of Cocaine.

Your were nearly there hunny.

Cute and smart, I'm in heaven.

I have not been sold on socialism yet ... i do not see how it empowers the private sector

We had socialism here (in the eastern block of the EU) for 50+years and I can tell you it sucked big time..

What many fail to realize is that socialism and capitalism are just two extremes. Things rarely work well in extremes, you generally need a place in the middle with the right blend of the two. Neither pure capitalism, nor pure socialism are ideal.

Lucy
 

Lucy, it seems that you are really interested in things you are talking about. take a look at this movie, please (it is long but you will see some interesting stuff there ) :

http://www.movie2k.to/The-Weight-of-...ie-675439.html

you will what west did to crush succesfull socialistic society

I love watching stuff this is and then you realise how fucking evil some people in this world are.

I often wonder if what happened in Norway was a case of threats being made to the Norway government sell us your state assets or we will do something nasty then that guy comes in and kills the kids of the government party.

Two kinds of people bitch about socialism... the extremely rich who don't care that our country is only as strong as its weakest link... and the others who are mostly (not all) people who struggle and don't understand what socialism is and continue to go against their own best interests... usually because they follow what the extremely rich tell them.

Right. One or the other. Greedy or stupid. Couldn't possibly be anything else.

There are a few other types that are against it, but by and large (again, not everyone) those that make the most noise about it are exactly that... greedy or stupid. Sadly, that summarizes a lot of people in the U.S. Too greedy to care... or too stupid to know any better.

brutal social darwinism is what made america great. socialism is for losers.

Warsaw Pact countries no more exemplify socialism than Hitler does capitalism.

Then again, some idiots in the US actually seriously believe the Nazis were socialists. They had the word "socialist" in their name, so they must be right? That's the kind of balloon-headed retardation you are dealing with in trying to explain socialism to some people. I wonder if they also think the GDR was democratic.

As an aside, Lucy mentioned Britain was in debt after the war. In debt, broke, cities destroyed, Empire lost, and yet still managed to create a free health service for all, something the richest country on the planet can't do.

At least not while socialistically bailing out crooks and rogue states to the tune of billions anyway.

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What you really wanted to say was they offered no bid contracts to British based companies, that has nothing to do with Socialism. Its clear just by reading the rest of the thread you don't grasp the basics of The Nordic Economic model in which the UK has been nibbling on for over 100 years now.

The UK has changed so radically over the last 100 years it hasnt really 'nibbled' on anything it has actually fully eaten. The Nordic Economic model is long gone and we are now more a fully capatalist state which the workers have no rights.

Couldn't it be argued that America used to be a socialist state but only recently started going the other way?

Cities used to own the water. Trash was usually picked up by government employees. Energy was regulated and the companies in the biz were only allowed to make so much profit. Jails were owned and ran by the government, it wasn't for-profit operation where you have to feed the beast with more arrests, etc...

You know, back in the days when America was prosperous and most people were happy.

We need to get back to socialism, right?

This-
A socialist-capitalist democracy like the US technically has is truly the way to go, unfortunately it has been corrupted by politics, greed etc.

So along comes the tea party and OWS and suddenly people are interested in change again.
Whether or not you agree with tea party or OWS one thing is for certain.
Things have got to change and soon, because the envelope is closing on that option.