OWS tweet I saw...discuss
 

Why can police patrol an entire stadium full of tens of thousands drunk fans without riot gear but need it for a peaceful protest of a few hundred?

One Group Was Invited and One Was Not?

Probably because it isn't a soccer stadium. The tweeter is an idiot if he expects people to believe that there are 10's of thousands of drunks at sporting events.

Perhaps one difference is that the football fans are not self-proclaimed anarchists and revolutionaries.

Who says they are peaceful? Is that another self-proclamation?

Would you say that the other OWS rapists, stabbers, murderers, and thieves in other cities are peaceful?

Baddog, you of all people haven't been to a concert at a stadium? Harder to find sober people than drunk.

You should visit Baltimore for a good ol' fashioned tailgating event... surely they have them in CA?

Didn't know you had to have an invite to public parks. I've been breaking the law my entire life. Oops.

You don't get out if you believe there isn't crime in and around a stadium in a big dangerous city on game day.

I guess we attend different kinds of concerts. I have been to dozens and nothing stands out as far as a drunk. I am sure there must have been some, especially at the early outdoor concerts, but nothing memorable. Were there stoned people there? Yeah. They don't tend to be very violent though.

As far as tailgate parties are concerned, I have not been to a pro football game in 20+ years. I do not know that the LA Coliseum allowed them or if they ever had them back then. I never parked in their lot.

I have seen video and photos of them though and I have never seen more than a couple hundred at the largest of them. Certainly not tens of thousands. And I thought tailgating was about the food more than getting so drunk you miss the game.

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i have been even going to parks past the 'don't come here' time

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Would you say this is the ONLY time OWS statements seemed to make sense, until you turn on your brain?

My personal experiences are limited to baseball (more family), football (mixed bag) and HFStival, which was an alternative festival where everybody was drunk, stoned, tripping, on dust, heroin and who knows what else.

I always suspected tailgating was frowned upon but Baltimore endorses it and even has parking lots dedicated to it. Redskins may, too... I know people do it but don't know if its encouraged and controlled like in Baltimore.

Either way, I am talking about peaceful protests. If they get out of control and turn into riots then by all means use your riot gear.

Its just alarming that riot gear used to only come out when there was a real threat... feels like a police state.

Kind of like how only a few police forces had a swat team and the ones that had one helped those that didn't. Now it seems every force has them and use them more frequently, like even serving routine warrants.

false, redskins closed 2/3 of their parking areas to stop people from pre-gaming as much to sell more of their parks 15 dollar beers/hot dogs/etc..


cause.. you know... season tickets.. single tickets.. paying for parking.. buying merchandise isn't quite enough

What does cocaine have to do with it?

It is called improving response times. You think they should pull everyone back for a change of outfits or wait until another city can come help? Get real. If they did not have reason for concern they would not be wearing the gear and you know it, just like you know they do not use SWAT for serving routine warrants. :2 cents:

well with the OWS wall street thing it could get very violent

just like when people supported slavery they were so afraid to let it go, people like baddogs grandparents who were probably slave owners/rapers got so angry when people said they should end slavery that it started a full out war

what you have now is people protesting against a different kind of slavery, financial slavery, and of course you still have guys that support something that is obviously wrong sometimes because they are the ones that are doing wrong or on the other hand they are the ones that like to pretend they are one of the rich and so spend their time pretending and sucking rich guy dick (baddogs i call them)

The need for authority to run your life is a dependency

like drugs...it controls you.

/pulling shit out of my ass

well, its the biggest power in america ... FEAR :2 cents:

Maybe I don't like crowds --but you haven't done your research on OWS if you say they are peaceful. The fact is, they are a crime wave.

Stabbing Victim Taken To Occupy SF Encampment For Treatment
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...for-treatment/

Occupy Philly: Man arrested in rape; mayor denounces protesters
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nati...pe-arrest.html

How About We Occupy Rape Culture?
http://persephonemagazine.com/2011/1...-rape-culture/

Police Investigating Possible Sexual Assault Of Teen At Occupy Dallas
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/a...occupy-dallas/

Dozens Of Hypodermic Needles Found Among Trash Removed From Zuccotti Park
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/...zuccotti-park/

Shooting occurs at UC Berkeley during protests
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Protester Arrested for Child Porn at 'Occupy' Chicago...
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/...ccupy-chicago/

Man arrested at LA camp for public masturbation in front of children...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...th-crimes.html

Now, ringworm and scabies hit 'occupy' camps...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011...ta-cruz-video/

Occupy SF Camp Declared Public Health Nuisance; Eviction Deadline Passes
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...adline-passes/

DEATH, DISEASE PLAGUE 'OCCUPY' PROTESTS...
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world...y-1222623.html

Dead man in Salt Lake City...
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=1070&sid=180...t-pioneer-park

Tuberculosis in Atlanta...
http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2011/11/...atlantas-base/

'Zuccotti Lung' on Wall Street...
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...133669113.html

Suicide in Vermont...
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...text|FRONTPAGE

Murder in Oakland...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNAI1LTA0L.DTL

When I was 18 they used a SWAT style team to kick down my door because my roommate smoked weed. They are not needed, wanted or warranted.

They do use swat for routine warrants. That's a fact.

Indeed.. :1orglaugh

My good friend in Scotland is always posting photos from football(soccer) games he attends onto Facebook and there's always cops in riot gear around.

Yeah? What city has the funds to send out 6-10 heavily armed police officers to serve routine warrants?

SWAT teams usually serve no-knock drug warrants.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6344

Mine, all the ones surrounding me, the one I grew up in, and pretty much every single other one in Texas, at a min.

To all of the people commenting about routine warrants, a question. What the heck is a routine warrant? Have any of you ever served any warrants? None of the ones I've served have ever been routine. There are only those where you KNOW you're going into a place full of felons and those where you don't know. Very rarely we'd serve a municipal warrant, an unpaid ticket.

So what kind of gear to use? It does vary based on their criminal record, part of town, intelligence about who may be in the house etc. It doesn't vary as much as you might think, though, because we'd go from one fugitive to the next. No need take off your vest once you put it on. Normally we had say four to six warrants, so we gear up for a day of serving warrants - ballistic vest, boots, pepper, weapon, etc. Mostly because you never know what's going to happen that day and what you'll need. Also because the fugitive (or their cracked out boyfriend) is less likely to to try to attack a team in tactical gear than they are a couple of guys in T shirts.

I never did have a routine one, though. One time we had to raid the worst crack dealer bar in town, where everyone in there is a criminal. Next we're driving down the road and see the fugitive drive past, so we whip around, follow him, and take him when as he steps out to get gas. The next guy is hiding under a bed holding a knife, presumably to slash us with if we look under there. Any of those routine?

All murderers, rapists, etc I assume? Not serving such warrants over people selling dope to people that want to buy dope I hope?

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new york city :)

Since you guys think you are Almighty God why the need for any protection?

Oddly, the drug dealers were always far more heavily armed and otherwise scary than the sexual assault cases. The sexual assaults seemed to be either uncle Jimmy or a drunk college guy who got too forceful. The drug dealers were more likely to have records that included armed robbery, etc. Make of that what you will.

I have no clue where you're coming from with that. Security people bleed just like everyone else. The only difference is I'm willing to go bleed for you voluntarily, so the fugitive doesn't get a chance to rape your mother.

If you either a) don't commit crimes or b) show up to court when you do commit a crime, the only time you'll see me is when you call me to come get you out of a bad situation.

Yea I'm real worried about some guy growing a few plants in his basement (which are the majority of swat raids around here) raping my mother. Cops are a bigger threat to the average person than what you call a criminal.

Your bias shows with the raping someones mother comment. Holy shit.

If someone rapes another, commits armed robbery, whatever then go arrest them FOR THAT. Don't try to use that as an excuse to continue a drug war that is only perpetuated because departments get millions of dollars in grants to buy fancy toys, kick down doors and pay overtime like puppets for the federal government.

Exactly. I can't think of a more cowardly line of work to be in than to kick peoples doors down in the middle of the night, shoot their fucking dogs, and destroy their property simply because of what they are ingesting into their own body. The drug war is every small cocked cops dream.

I'll admit it, I'm biased against rapists.

When did this become a thread about drug laws?

I'll tell you what, let me know what city and I'll give an address. You can go tell a paralyzed soldier or cop who was stricken down trying to take care of a armed robber, terrorist, or drug runner with an Uzi what a coward he is for willingly putting himself in the line of fire to get the Uzis out of your neighborhood.

If your kid didn't get assaulted today, you're welcome.

Soldiers? What do soldiers have to do with law enforcement?

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Did you just compare cops to soldiers? Come on man, seriously? Police work isn't even near one of the most dangerous jobs around here and your point about someone getting shot doing his job is irrelevant.

I, as an intelligent human being, would not cooperate with kicking in doors and arresting people for victim-less crimes. I also would not stand by why fellow officers pepper sprayed, hit, harassed or otherwise bothered peaceful protesters. Anybody participating in that bullshit or standing by with a thumb up their ass while it happens is a coward in my book.

You acting like you're the reason my kid didn't get assaulted? Hilariously pathetic. You know it is possible to have a police force that keeps bad guys off the streets while leaving peaceful protesters and potheads alone, right?

Your opinions on certain drug laws seem to have you guys really confused about the elite of those who are sworn to enforce all the laws.

We were talking about swat teams serving felony warrants.I was replying to ThunderBalls saying:
You don't think serving felony warrants is dangerous? You're high. Tell you what, since it's not dangerous, next time you can clear the building of threats, then I'll come in when you're done. Not dangerous, right? The fact that law enforcement gets shot all the time isn't relevant, they are cowards for wearing proper gear, right?


You think? Because you seem to agree with Thunderballs that SWAT work, going into bank robberies and serving felony warrants, is "the most cowardly line of work".


As a matter of fact, in some jurisdictions military experience is REQUIRED before you can even apply for SWAT training. LA used to be that way. Now in most places is not absolutely required, but strongly preferred that you're a soldier first, so you have a foundation on which to build a good SWAT officer.

When I hear you guys saying you think SWAT work isn't dangerous and that it's for cowards, my first thought is "you're high". Then I realize that whenever you think about any type of law enforcement, it's all about drugs to you. So it makes sense - you ARE high.

Amazingly when you put the kidnappers and child molesters in prison, you end with fewer children being assaulted. Imagine that!

Amazingly when cops quit kicking in doors of drug offenders or pepper spraying immobile protesters you have less citizens that are assaulted or have their rights violated by those that swore to protect them. :thumbsup

Btw I hope you guys have a great Thanksgiving / weekend. Though we disagree on the idea that SWAT teams are primarily tasked with weed arrests, and whether or not SWAT work is dangerous, I appreciate you sharing your points of view and wish you a happy holiday season.

The idiot with the pepper spray, John Pike, is a campus security guard, not SWAT. He was a campus cop because he wasn't good enough to be a traffic cop, much less SWAT. What he did was cowardly. That's a whole different ball of wax from serving a felony warrant on a crack house full of whacked out people with prior arrests for weapons charges.