my first observation i have made from mainstream to adult.
 

So we are actively involved in mainstream now in a few different ways.

One thing i noticed that is different right away is that in adult you have much better sales people. Perhaps competition forces the shark out in people?


I emailed 8 people so far in mainstream, with me being a customer, wanting to spend money to buy their traffic. The same companies that were in new york trying to get people to buy their traffic mind you...lol
not one answer back yet.

if i sent out 8 emails in adult looking to spend money with people, im willing to bet i get 8 emails back, and a few instant messages..lol

my point? expand your horizons, a solid sales person here would dominate an entire marketplace there.

well it is thanksgiving though, but i agree i got up and did business emails first thing lol and have emails going to mobile phone if im away from desk.

i know a few mainstream guys who work for traffic sellers. They have no motivation to actually make the sale. They are all salaried employee's who dont get much of a kick back for selling traffic.

In adult almost everyone is commissioned based

oh shit...lol
i forgot it was thanksgiving day there

hmm i sent the emails two days ago though..lol

ah...that could explain it right there

This may be true but it still reflects poorly upon the employee.

One of my least favorite phrases is "that isn't my job" or "I'm not paid to do that." Very poor mentality.

bigtime

commissioned sales reps are always the best

i like going into a store with them, cause you can ask them whatever you need to know, the good ones will know, and tell you.


when i go to a store with idiots that respond like you mentioned SLy, i usually leave

Most in adult work for small biz and they are actually part of the company. Most mainstream companies the sales people have never even met the owners.
OK, maybe i exaggerate a little, but you get my point.

Or they are not that desperate to sell traffic.

Maybe you're in the line and when a spot becomes available, you might get mail.

Of course I'm assuming you sent it from an email address that would make them think you're a serious player. Not a freemail or something that looked small.

Still a curt reply would be polite what ever the situation.

Yep. Very often in adult the CS rep is the owner. Two other differences - adult webmasyers don't have lots of meetings and written proposals. They just get things done. I'm comparing to actual mainstream, product based companies, not the adult definition of "mainstream" as pills and get rich quick schemes.

On the other hand, adult webmasters want great value for their money. Adult companies don't pay $25 / mbit for bandwidth, $10,000 for a good site design, etc. they way more traditional companies do.

If 8 salespeople from NYC have yet to respond after 2 days, it likely has more to do with you and your approach.

We are certainly enjoying the price discrepancies between the two industries.

hey thanks for your input...lol

If you are selling traffic & a lead comes in you should reply within a few hours.
That is the job - sales.
They all have smartphones. If they can Facebook they are "@ Walmart waiting for Black Friday", they can answer your inquire.

If someone emailed me "I can send you 100 new joins a day" , I would drop the fork & be on the phone within minutes. :2 cents:

That also remind me how most of retarded affiliate managers in adult arrived from some mainstream business and seems they still have same habits what they had previously,like never responding.

I've lived in NYC for 12 years, have spent the majority of that time working in media planning/negotiating at an agency who had over $28B in billings last year. Based on this year's estimated Q1-Q2 ad spending, my former client is the fifth largest advertiser in the US. I was in charge of negotiating all local print contracts and headed up a group of what I think got up to 37 or 38 by the time I got burnt out and left. While the process for buying local print has many differences from that of buying traffic, the dynamics of negotiating are largely the same, so if I say that your approach is the problem, you can be rest assured that the problem does indeed lie within your approach. Without seeing the emails, though, I can't say for certain, so be a champ, x out the relevant data, post the emails, and we'll take a looksie. Otherwise we can all just assume that they ignored you because you asked them to 'hit you up on ICQ'.:thumbsup

Yes there is somuch shit which you need to know to make bussiness "proper way"in mainstream and corporate world you need to take special education class to make it work.In adult,you can approach a person,ask him what he do,then howmuch you can make money with his services,and then you decide will do you bussiness with them or not based on answer,and that's it.No bullshit formal letter,no bullshit meeting arrangements,No special procedures,and tons of other things.

You have mail.

mainstream programs have a strange sense of entitlement, like you are lucky to send them business, sales and money.

Replied ;-)

You had me at 28B in billings last year
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lol. good luck.

No money in porn.

I am guessing you don't have a modern dictionary there Paul. "Curt" is far from polite.

Whoops. I meant to say short reply.

Still think there might be a good excuse for 8 people not replying. It does show that those with adult traffic to sell are not desperate to sell it.

im not trying to buy adult traffic

i was very professional in my emails.
im asking for rates, and to make contact so we can spend 10k plus with them.

maybe im too small for them right now....fine...i already got contacts from someone else.

thanks all for playing

Look at what happened when Jimmy Wales moved from adult; he's gone from Dirty Bugger to Desperate Beggar :2 cents:

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As is most (not all) of corporate America when it comes to sales and marketing force. It should be performance based period to get the best results.

If you can't make sales, you do not make any money. Process of nature selection.

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Agreed. Adult compared to not just mainstream, but online in general, has better response times and people ready to pounce and close deals.

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You observation about mainstream to adult is quite true for me as well, made a similar transition. Its also amazing that adult webmaster seem to lead innovation as well, some technique I learnt in the adult industry is working wonders for my mainstream sites

You mean it shows those with adult traffic to sell ARE desperate to sell it? If 8 mainstream people didn't hit him back and 8 adult people did it sounds to me like the adult want to sell more.

:winkwink:

I'm not saying you weren't professional. What email address were you using, what's the domain in the email and what did you say?

Without that, it just seems strange all 8 ignored you completely.

That has not to do with better or worse sellers..

It has to do with DESPERATION.