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The Hun 10-11-2012 04:24 PM

Alternative to openX
 
We use openX for a lot of stuff on mobile and the search, but it's sooo immensely heavy on the database it's not even funny anymore. Do you guys have a good alternative or should I write my own (again) ;-)

Niktamer 10-11-2012 04:55 PM

there is a few host that offer hosted openx fully managed.
I'm sure they will spam this thread :)

else openx offer a paid service.
http://www.openx.com/networks/enterprise-ad-server

The Hun 10-11-2012 05:03 PM

Nah, that's not good enough... It's still very slow, using the shit out of mysql... I want something on my own server. Something I can control. openX is starting to get old-fashioned.

I just started making something myself about an hour ago. Getting along nicely ;-)... Who knows, openX might have a competitor soon! ;-)

alias 10-11-2012 05:20 PM

TheHun-x

Coyote 10-11-2012 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19246109)
Nah, that's not good enough... It's still very slow, using the shit out of mysql... I want something on my own server. Something I can control. openX is starting to get old-fashioned.

I just started making something myself about an hour ago. Getting along nicely ;-)... Who knows, openX might have a competitor soon! ;-)

Take this one and modify it to your liking.

The Hun 10-11-2012 05:44 PM

And run TheHun off off worldpress? Nah, that won't work I'm afraid ;-)...

I think I have an offer for people here in a week or so! ;-)

HomerSimpson 10-11-2012 05:57 PM

- if you need ad spots - then check out Smart Spots from smart-scripts.com

- if you need ad rotator (rotate multiple ads on one ad spot) - openx.org or something custom built

Zeiss 10-11-2012 06:00 PM

Did you try Epom? Or use ero-advertising's own ads and sales features?

The Hun 10-11-2012 06:02 PM

well, it's more than that... I basically need what openX has, but faster. Also, in openX (unless you are using the PHP version, which makes no sense the way OpenX was programmed) you have to make a server-demanding call for every single banner showing. Call me old-school (hell, I am! ;-), but that is a waste of processing power.

There are so many nice new things out (jQuery for instance) that can make this make much better use of resources, but somehow that doesn't seem available yet...

The Hun 10-11-2012 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias (Post 19246130)
TheHun-x

I tried to register thehunx.com, but aparently easypic.com has it...

If anybody know them or is in contact with these guys, please ask 'em to give it up. Saves me a call to my attorney...

The Hun 10-11-2012 06:05 PM

Epom looks promising... I doubt they'll do adult though..

junction 10-11-2012 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson (Post 19246169)
- if you need ad spots - then check out Smart Spots from smart-scripts.com

- if you need ad rotator (rotate multiple ads on one ad spot) - openx.org or something custom built

I'll give a thumbs up to Smart Spots. I've been using the hell out of it for a couple years now and love it.

Zeiss 10-11-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19246184)
Epom looks promising... I doubt they'll do adult though..

I don't really know about, if they'll do adult. I've heard they are good. Back in the day I used super duper simple php script to rotate code from txt files separated by tildes. :1orglaugh

something like


Code:

<?php

$banners = join ('', file ('/file.txt'));
$separator = split("~",$banners);

$number = rand(0,(count($separator)-1));
echo $separator[$number];
?>

and in the file.txt you separate the banner codes with ~ then you include the php where you want to display :1orglaugh

I don't think this will work in your case, if you want to sell spots... it will be lots of admin work every now and then

The Hun 10-11-2012 06:56 PM

SmartSpots looks like just the thing. Memcache, so it should be fast. I'm making something in Redis now, advantage of that is that you don't need any other database engine anymore. Everything is going to be in Redis. I have been reprogramming everything towards that direction anyway.

The Hun 10-11-2012 06:58 PM

The admin stuff is more work than the actual banner showing indeed. It also needs geotargeting, so that makes it a tiny bit more complex. That is already finished though ;-)

Zeiss 10-11-2012 06:59 PM

Sounds promising. :)

CYF 10-11-2012 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19246236)
The admin stuff is more work than the actual banner showing indeed. It also needs geotargeting, so that makes it a tiny bit more complex. That is already finished though ;-)

I can't wait to check it out.

Klen 10-12-2012 12:32 AM

Custom build is best solution because ad rotation require only few llines of codes to make it work,for example in my case i have double case command to do geo targetting different on each site both for mobile and desktop traffic.Using any script is simply waste of resources since they have billions of features which are not needed.

The Hun 10-12-2012 12:52 AM

Telaris, that's right indeed. It's great to have options, but it tends to slow things down. And I'm missing some vital obvious resource saving features in openX as well. One big risk with openX or any other open source solution is the vulnerability for hackers. We had problems with that in the past with openX.

DraX 10-12-2012 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19246606)
Telaris, that's right indeed. It's great to have options, but it tends to slow things down. And I'm missing some vital obvious resource saving features in openX as well. One big risk with openX or any other open source solution is the vulnerability for hackers. We had problems with that in the past with openX.

You're not alone, also had problems with openx getting compromised multiple times with newest versions.

Openx themself does not seem to be interested in making it 100% secure. So you decide to checkout the hosted environment and sends them a message. No one calls back or send a message. Maybe I should have told them it's a $10K monthly account :)

Also in the start process of changing to something different.

Openx is slow and consumes resources like nothing else.

As I dont sell any ad space a simple rotator might be sufficient.

Have fun coding Hun

The Hun 10-12-2012 01:32 AM

Drax, a rotator can be made very simple. I did it 12 years ago with JavaScript. All client side and no system resources on my end. Back in those days even the smallest logo on thehun would kill any server. So I came up with a client side solution. Might be something to look in to. Especially now with OpenX there are very nice options. On http://search.thehun.net we use lazy loading ads. Those are great, they only load a banner once it is visible on the screen. Very good use of system resources, nothing is wasted

Klen 10-12-2012 02:09 AM

Maybe we could combine resources and make ad rotator script which will be resource friendly yet powerful ;)

The Hun 10-12-2012 02:17 AM

Building that as we speak. Real time stats and everything. I've been thinking about this for a loooong time now. I just found a domain registration for this that I got in february 2000! ;-)

seoguy 10-12-2012 02:18 AM

smart spots
 
I use Smart Spots since years and I'm very happy with it. It does not have as much features as openx but does what it's supposed to do.

Klen 10-12-2012 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19246673)
Building that as we speak. Real time stats and everything. I've been thinking about this for a loooong time now. I just found a domain registration for this that I got in february 2000! ;-)

Ok if you will need assistance send me mail to [email protected] :)

zuffa 10-12-2012 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19246051)
We use openX for a lot of stuff on mobile and the search, but it's sooo immensely heavy on the database it's not even funny anymore. Do you guys have a good alternative or should I write my own (again) ;-)

http://www.clippersoft.net/

Simple yet feature rich.

RebelR 10-12-2012 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19246181)
I tried to register thehunx.com, but aparently easypic.com has it...

If anybody know them or is in contact with these guys, please ask 'em to give it up. Saves me a call to my attorney...

Hey Patrick, what's your email and I will give you their contact info

The Hun 10-12-2012 07:45 AM

the oldest email in the industry: [email protected] ;-)

RebelR 10-12-2012 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19247039)
the oldest email in the industry: [email protected] ;-)

info sent.

The Hun 10-19-2012 11:30 AM

Ok, 7 days later and virtually no sleep it's up and running. All banners on http://mobile.thehun.net are now running off my new admanagement system. It's not done yet, it needs some features left and right that make it easier to maintain everything. But by the looks of it I finally made something that is working! ;-)

The Hun 10-19-2012 11:59 AM

Pushing 200K banners in the first hour now on there... not bad for a mobile site ;-)

shake 10-19-2012 12:38 PM

Nice job on getting it working so fast :)

Pornopat 10-19-2012 01:21 PM

ok that is impressive!

alias 10-19-2012 02:10 PM

Looks good, I do get a couple of zones that just show a white space though. Just a heads up.

The Hun 10-19-2012 02:23 PM

Alias, yeah, that's been going on for a while now... that's Exoclick doing that. Strangely enough they use... yes... openX... which was one of the reasons I just quit using it ;-)

280557 banners pushed in the second hour ;-)

OpenX can do that too, but my MySQL requests dropped from 400/sec to about 100! And those are from the banners on the search. I'll soon have no MySQL queries for my banners. Who knows, if I get this thing stable enough OpenX might get a competitor ;-)

CYF 10-19-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19262099)
Ok, 7 days later and virtually no sleep it's up and running. All banners on http://mobile.thehun.net are now running off my new admanagement system. It's not done yet, it needs some features left and right that make it easier to maintain everything. But by the looks of it I finally made something that is working! ;-)

are you going to release that?

alias 10-19-2012 02:25 PM

Nice, keep us posted.

The Hun 10-19-2012 02:31 PM

CYF, I've been playing with that idea ;-)

The Hun 10-19-2012 02:37 PM

More advantages: REALTIME stats, instant changes when banners are altered/added/removed. It's been long days, and it will be some more, but I'm pretty excited.

CYF 10-19-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19262437)
CYF, I've been playing with that idea ;-)

Very nice :) open x has worked fine for me but I'm always open to looking at alternatives. Sounds like it's shaping up to be a nice system.

The Hun 10-19-2012 04:11 PM

Are you using their hosting or did you download an install from them?

Jman 10-19-2012 04:21 PM

Been a while I really took time to read a thread on GFY. Hope we can see something public come out soon ;)

Godsmack 10-19-2012 04:31 PM

smart spots is lite and can handle any traffic you throw at it..

CYF 10-19-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19262584)
Are you using their hosting or did you download an install from them?

I downloaded it.

Va2k 10-19-2012 07:41 PM

Still showing white ad's awesome script though .

Code:

http://syndication.exoclick.com/ads-iframe-display.php?type=300x100&login=thehun&cat=2&search=&ad_title_color=0000cc&bgcolor=FFFFFF&border=0&border_color=000000&font=&block_keywords=&ad_text_color=000000&ad_durl_color=008000&adult=0&sub=&text_only=0&show_thumb=&idzone=301640&idsite=132856&p=http%3A//mobile.thehun.net/&dt=1350700892491

The Hun 10-19-2012 07:48 PM

Fungus: that's exoclick delivering a white add. I've been asking them about it, but they never seem to find the need to dive in to this. This particular banner is pushed by them as a JavaScript. That makes putting it in rotation a pain (unless you do full dynamic pages in php for instance). So I put an iframe in rotation, which loads a script on their site, which creates an iframe which loads the banner. All in all not a lot of thought was put in to that. I tried loading the iframe their JavaScript is generating straight away, but then I'll have no stats left. And that means not getting paid. Ah well... Guess I have to drop by in Barcelona one of these days ;-)

Va2k 10-19-2012 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19262894)
Fungus: that's exoclick delivering a white add. I've been asking them about it, but they never seem to find the need to dive in to this. This particular banner is pushed by them as a JavaScript. That makes putting it in rotation a pain (unless you do full dynamic pages in php for instance). So I put an iframe in rotation, which loads a script on their site, which creates an iframe which loads the banner. All in all not a lot of thought was put in to that. I tried loading the iframe their JavaScript is generating straight away, but then I'll have no stats left. And that means not getting paid. Ah well... Guess I have to drop by in Barcelona one of these days ;-)

Oh man that sucks on so many levels, well going to bed you all have a great night.

TtyAl

livexxx 10-19-2012 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19247039)
the oldest email in the industry: [email protected] ;-)

older than " Registered on: before Aug-1996" ?

livexxx 10-19-2012 08:31 PM

smart scripts is a good low resource alternative to the hammer and anvil that openx is, as for stats, just feed it all to http://www.splunk.com/

The Hun 10-23-2012 04:50 AM

I just got word that exoclick does NOT use openX... my bad... I guess they saw the same drawback we did ;-)

Right now we're easily pushing 500K banners per hour on the mobile and the load on the server went down immensely compared to the old openX adserver. I'm happy. Few odds and ends that need to be completed and then it's back to programming stuff on thehun. Changes are coming up people! ;-)


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