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Brujah 10-20-2012 02:29 PM
Which form of government do you prefer?
 
  • Aristocracy (Classic Greek Aristocracy) - " ruling of the best".
  • Aristocracy - "rule by the wealthy and well-connected".
  • Anarchy - "rule by individual"
  • Anarcho-capitalism - economy organized around private property
  • Anarcho-syndicalism - economy organized around worker control
  • Autocracy - "rule by a single individual".
  • Dictatorship - rule by leadership unrestrained by law
  • Monarchy - rule by a single individual elected by ancestry
  • Absolute monarchy - monarch's power is unrestrained by law
  • Caliphate - Aristocratic-Democracy
  • Constitutional monarchy - monarch's power is restrained by law
  • Democracy - "rule by the people"
  • Representative democracy - the people elect the officers of government
  • Republic - representative democracy with elected head of state, as opposed to appointed or hereditary
  • Single-party democracy - one party dominates the government
  • Two-party democracy - two parties dominate the government
  • Direct democracy - the people themselves vote on the law
  • Ancient (Athenian) democracy having three pillars, Isokratia (every citizen has the same power), Isigoria (all citizens have equal right to be heard) and Isonomia (every citizen is equal in front of the laws which are always decided using majority rule).
  • Liberal democracy - the people's power through democracy is checked by law, often by means of a written consitution
  • Despotism - absolute rule by a single authority (could fall under autocracy or oligarchy)
  • Enlighted despotism - despot uses absolute authority for the betterment of society
  • Meritocracy - "rule by those who most deserve to rule".
  • Oligarchy - "rule by the few".
  • Plutocracy - "rule by the wealthy".
  • Theocracy - "rule by religious leaders, ostensibly on behalf of their deity or deities"
  • Christian state - ostensibly guided by Christian principles
  • Islamic republic - ostensibly guided by Islamic principles
  • Tyranny - General description of a bad regime
  • Technocracy - rule by the scientifically educated, or ostensibly guided by scientific principles

A better breakdown on Wikipedia with more examples and expanded definition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_of..._of_government

xinyonghu 10-20-2012 02:41 PM
rule by the government

scottybuzz 10-20-2012 02:44 PM
rule by the internet, where people vote online for what they want!

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 02:47 PM
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How often have you heard people refer to America as a Democracy? When was the last time that you heard America referred to as a Republic? There is a very good reason that our Pledge of Allegiance refers to our country as a Republic and there is a very good reason that our Declaration of Independence and our constitution do not even mentioned the word "democracy".

Many people are under the false impression our form of government is a democracy, or representative democracy. This is of course completely untrue. The Founders were extremely knowledgeable about the issue of democracy and feared a democracy as much as a monarchy. They understood that the only entity that can take away the people's freedom is their own government, either by being too weak to protect them from external threats or by becoming too powerful and taking over every aspect of life.

They knew very well the meaning of the word "democracy", and the history of democracies; and they were deliberately doing everything in their power to prevent having a democracy.

In a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people, and obliged to its owner, We the People. Many politicians have lost sight of that fact.

A Constitutional Republic has some similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives and pass new laws, etc. The critical difference lies in the fact that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that limits the powers of the government. It also spells out how the government is structured, creating checks on its power and balancing power between the different branches.

The goal of a Constitutional Republic was to avoid the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy but what exists in America today is a far cry from the Constitutional Republic our forefathers brought forth.
More here: http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion...Democracy.html

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 02:49 PM

Brujah 10-20-2012 02:55 PM
blah ... this same old Democracy vs Republic again? It doesn't answer the question at all, and it falls into the same trap you're always harping on about. You're only presenting two choices, I didn't.

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 19264288)
blah ... this same old Democracy vs Republic again? It doesn't answer the question at all, and it falls into the same trap you're always harping on about. You're only presenting two choices, I didn't.
2 choices? There is only 1 choice: Constitutional Republic, which is what the USA is and why it's the best country in the world.

Brujah 10-20-2012 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19264294)
That's a loaded question

The question should be "Why do we have a government in the first place?"

NO GOVERNMENT
I knew you'd show up and say this, completely ignoring the fact that it was actually one of the choices.

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 03:03 PM
Having "no government" could only work if the people were actually civilized and could get along and help each other. This might be possible, but the way people are today it would be extremely difficult. Everyone is divided and against each other.

pornmasta 10-20-2012 03:18 PM
"live-cratie": the government that let me live and that doesn't oppress me.
I'm not concerned by names.
If i can't live i have to declare a war, it's as easy as that...

DWB 10-20-2012 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19264294)
That's a loaded question

The question should be "Why do we have a government in the first place?"

NO GOVERNMENT
Somalia is just a plane ride away.

You need to man up and walk the walk.

Axel_Crak 10-20-2012 03:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19264294)
That's a loaded question
The question should be "Why do we have a government in the first place?"
NO GOVERNMENT
I hope your joking, but im not sure.. if not :

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Maybe if that was our world it could works
http://cdn4.blogs.babble.com/famecra...-bears.jpg.gif

DWB 10-20-2012 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19264401)
People are still suck in the system and totally propagandized by the government and by movies and television

"If there was no government, then society would fall apart" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Not many brain cells at work I see
Like I said, Somalia and all it's anarchist glory is waiting for you with open arms. All that place needs is someone like you to lead the way and it's all Care Bears and Unicorns.

Time to get your first passport and hit the road Johnny boy. No taxes there either, so it's a double score for you. :thumbsup

Axel_Crak 10-20-2012 03:50 PM
ya and who will build street, aqueduc, hospital,
who will take care of education, hospital
who will help poor and people with different problems
who will make rules


Companies ? Human leaders ? The strongest ? The richs ? The Aliens ? The pornstars ? Fabian :)

Were not on craig list, were on a planet with few billions of humans

I dont like what government does always, lot lot lot of shit and hidden stuff.. but a democracy like here in canada is better than many types of government,,, we need something

Humans are stupid, they need some supervision

No govs = blood bath !

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel_Crak (Post 19264412)
ya and who will build street, aqueduc, hospital,
who will take care of education, hospital
who will help poor and people with different problems
who will make rules


Companies ? Human leaders ? The strongest ? The richs ? The Aliens ? The pornstars ? Fabian :)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sly 10-20-2012 04:25 PM
I came into this thread just to see what Johnny had to say.

Axel_Crak 10-20-2012 04:32 PM
Ok enough Fun for tonight im going out

Have a great Night !

helterskelter808 10-20-2012 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 19264297)
Yes. This is something people in the us like to say to themselves.
It's something nobody with a mental age above 5 should say with any sincerity. All that's missing is an un-ironic 'fuck yeah'.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pornopete (Post 19264330)
If ebay didnt have administrators all that would be on there is 100 auctions for britney spears pubes.
Fuckin' admins. :disgust

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 05:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19264493)
It's something nobody with a mental age above 5 should say with any sincerity. All that's missing is an un-ironic 'fuck yeah'.
I'm not afraid to say that I love my country, I think it's a great place to live still.

Barry-xlovecam 10-20-2012 05:04 PM
A parliamentary form of government. With a vote of no-confidence to have new elections.

helterskelter808 10-20-2012 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 19264495)
I'm not afraid to say that I love my country, I think it's a great place to live still.
That's different to saying it's the best country in the world, which is childish, nonsense and meaningless.

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 05:15 PM
USA definitely is one of the best in the world because it is a constitutional republic which gives all of its citizens rights. The founding fathers did a great job setting this place up.

It does seem to be going in the wrong direction, however, but that's a different story...

helterskelter808 10-20-2012 05:17 PM
Got that, rest of the world? You have no rights. A bunch of slave owners invented freedom 250 years ago. You're welcome.

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19264509)
Got that, rest of the world? You have no rights. A bunch of slave owners invented freedom 250 years ago. You're welcome.
There is no more slavery anymore though, so it's an even better country now because the original rights now apply to everyone as they should have in the first place.

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19264515)
lol you can't be serious?
Pointless post is pointless.

Do you actually have anything to say about the subject?

StickyGreen 10-20-2012 05:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19264520)
Yes, we are free to be slaves
Americans might be enslaved with debt, but they are not literally in bondage like actual slaves used to be.

epitome 10-20-2012 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19264453)
First off it doesn't matter

Secondly the free market is a thousand times better than the government. Just look at any stupid government website or go to any of their offices. I went to the DMV a few months ago and they were still using dial-up fucking internet

To think that no one would build the roads or provide health care services is not only beyond stupid, but shows just how deep the propaganda runs in this country

Governments = blood baths. Look how many people were killed by their own governments this past century. It's astounding
You're arguing with a guy that employs something like 50 people when you need a roommate and beg for money on GFY and the street. Slow your roll.

marcop 10-20-2012 06:41 PM
After growing up in the UK, and living in the US for 30+ years, I've come to the opinion that the parliamentary system used by the UK (and many other democracies worldwide) is more effective and responsive to change that the American system.

That's just my opinion... I'm not advocating the overthrow of the American government or way of life. I just think it's not an optimal system for governing in the 21st century.

SilentKnight 10-20-2012 07:46 PM
Quite often these days I hear people saying they'd like a benevolent dictatorship here in Canada.

Whether they're merely half-joking...or being serious - difficult to say.

There may be some merit there.

mafia_man 10-21-2012 02:38 AM
Anarcho-syndicalism

arock10 10-21-2012 06:17 AM
Enlighted Tyranny

pinkz 10-21-2012 06:30 AM
Fuck Them, And Their Laws! do you really need someone else to tell you what's right or wrong, surely as adults you know this already and can conduct your lives accordingly :2 cents:

seeandsee 10-21-2012 11:15 AM
Anarcho-syndicalism - economy organized around worker control

pinkz 10-21-2012 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19265230)
People are indoctrinated into a system and are bombarded from birth to follow that system. You see it in the family and then it starts in school. You are told what is right or wrong, what to do, what not to do, when you can do it, what to study and how to behave. It's basically dog training to match the real world then you see it when you enter the work force and so on and so forth.

It is very difficult to overcome this conditioning and programming which starts from birth and really doesn't end. However, once you DO overcome it it is quite easy to see how the whole system is a giant scam. And how anarchy (without RULERS) is the only thing that makes sense
"Sadly the world is full of sheep"

Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE 10-21-2012 12:20 PM
I want digital encrypted micro voting.

Axel_Crak 10-21-2012 12:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19265230)
People are indoctrinated into a system and are bombarded from birth to follow that system.
Do you considered you as one of those or not ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19265230)
And how anarchy (without RULERS) is the only thing that makes sense
I cant believe what im reading here

Come on , you cant be serious,

Even a group of 10 peoples will have to put rules, votes,,, and even if you want to be democratic, they will be discussion and pressure to decide how count vote , whats the rule to vote.. so it will always be some leaders, or peoples that control and influence

its the human nature... peoples fight for want they think the best,,, some peoples fight more, some follow..

Individuals are individual, you cant let them decide, they will do what the best for them and it will be chaos

your argumentation reminds me on 15-16 years discussions we had when we tough we were anarchist and we want to burn Parliament, school and church,,, perhaps your still pretty young, if the case well thats fine and i understand the rebellion your going through


IM not a big fan of how our democracy works, sometimes i got vote just to void my vote and show my in satisfaction.,. taht being said, we need a system

Tell me again in your world

IF you kill someone what happen ? is there any law ? Jail ?
Theres will not be official money ? Only exchange and service ?
Whos gonna take care of peoples with mental and physical issues

I dont get it at all and very curious to hear your argumentation

PS yes society/govs brainwash a lot of peoples, and they believe everything they see in news , they dont see behind the "matrix" , and yes we need some anarchist and free thinker to challenge that,, but we need a system... and some of us will understand the game and think for themselves, that the culture, history, arts, and everything that can help develop self conscience

Since the beginning of humanity we had chief, leader, kings, tyrant, president, for the good and the bad.. sheep follow yes,,, but we need some sheep... you cant have only chief. you need Indians too, that is life...

Axel_Crak 10-21-2012 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19265391)
You are misinformed, as usual
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

pinkz 10-21-2012 12:35 PM
I am NOT a number I am a FREEMAN

Axel_Crak 10-21-2012 12:36 PM
[QUOTE=JohnnyClips;19265391]. It starts with how we treat our children. Do not teach them violence, aggression, do not spank do not yell at them and they will grow up peacefully. Most people in jail were abused as children./QUOTE]

This i agree with you...

Education is very important, and it influence a lot a your life

stillsexy 10-21-2012 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 19264244)
  • Aristocracy (Classic Greek Aristocracy) - " ruling of the best".
  • Aristocracy - "rule by the wealthy and well-connected".
  • Anarchy - "rule by individual"
  • Anarcho-capitalism - economy organized around private property
  • Anarcho-syndicalism - economy organized around worker control
  • Autocracy - "rule by a single individual".
  • Dictatorship - rule by leadership unrestrained by law
  • Monarchy - rule by a single individual elected by ancestry
  • Absolute monarchy - monarch's power is unrestrained by law
  • Caliphate - Aristocratic-Democracy
  • Constitutional monarchy - monarch's power is restrained by law
  • Democracy - "rule by the people"
  • Representative democracy - the people elect the officers of government
  • Republic - representative democracy with elected head of state, as opposed to appointed or hereditary
  • Single-party democracy - one party dominates the government
  • Two-party democracy - two parties dominate the government
  • Direct democracy - the people themselves vote on the law
  • Ancient (Athenian) democracy having three pillars, Isokratia (every citizen has the same power), Isigoria (all citizens have equal right to be heard) and Isonomia (every citizen is equal in front of the laws which are always decided using majority rule).
  • Liberal democracy - the people's power through democracy is checked by law, often by means of a written consitution
  • Despotism - absolute rule by a single authority (could fall under autocracy or oligarchy)
  • Enlighted despotism - despot uses absolute authority for the betterment of society
  • Meritocracy - "rule by those who most deserve to rule".
  • Oligarchy - "rule by the few".
  • Plutocracy - "rule by the wealthy".
  • Theocracy - "rule by religious leaders, ostensibly on behalf of their deity or deities"
  • Christian state - ostensibly guided by Christian principles
  • Islamic republic - ostensibly guided by Islamic principles
  • Tyranny - General description of a bad regime
  • Technocracy - rule by the scientifically educated, or ostensibly guided by scientific principles

A better breakdown on Wikipedia with more examples and expanded definition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_of..._of_government
do they have it by countries?

Axel_Crak 10-21-2012 12:44 PM
Ok anarchy can have some "rules" your right on that...

But cant it be apply to millions/billions of peoples without chaos

What are the biggest anarchist group in the world ? I dont pretend to know everything, so feel free to gives me example of huge anarchist systems/model

Axel_Crak 10-21-2012 12:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19265420)
How you live your personal life is a great example of anarchy

No one forces you where to shop, who to date, where to spend your money, etc
Yes i do that in my democracy system,,

How millions of peoples can leave together in anarchy , example ?

StickyGreen 10-21-2012 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19265429)
Craigslist and ebay are two great examples
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...jpg?1240934151

oppoten 10-21-2012 01:16 PM
What is communism classed as?

Worker control or tyranny?

oppoten 10-21-2012 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcop (Post 19264569)
After growing up in the UK, and living in the US for 30+ years, I've come to the opinion that the parliamentary system used by the UK (and many other democracies worldwide) is more effective and responsive to change that the American system.

That's just my opinion... I'm not advocating the overthrow of the American government or way of life. I just think it's not an optimal system for governing in the 21st century.
I agree with this :thumbsup

mafia_man 10-21-2012 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by oppoten (Post 19265492)
What is communism classed as?

Worker control or tyranny?
Lol.

I wouldn't call anything that has been implemented communism.

Axel_Crak 10-21-2012 04:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel_Crak View Post
Yes i do that in my democracy system,,

How millions of peoples can leave together in anarchy , example ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 19265429)
Craigslist and ebay are two great examples
Ok. if its all you got, thats mean the end of my discussion with you about that subject
have a great night

buzzard 10-21-2012 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 19264244)
  • Aristocracy (Classic Greek Aristocracy) - " ruling of the best".
  • Aristocracy - "rule by the wealthy and well-connected".
  • Anarchy - "rule by individual"
  • Anarcho-capitalism - economy organized around private property
  • Anarcho-syndicalism - economy organized around worker control
  • Autocracy - "rule by a single individual".
  • Dictatorship - rule by leadership unrestrained by law
  • Monarchy - rule by a single individual elected by ancestry
  • Absolute monarchy - monarch's power is unrestrained by law
  • Caliphate - Aristocratic-Democracy
  • Constitutional monarchy - monarch's power is restrained by law
  • Democracy - "rule by the people"
  • Representative democracy - the people elect the officers of government
  • Republic - representative democracy with elected head of state, as opposed to appointed or hereditary
  • Single-party democracy - one party dominates the government
  • Two-party democracy - two parties dominate the government
  • Direct democracy - the people themselves vote on the law
  • Ancient (Athenian) democracy having three pillars, Isokratia (every citizen has the same power), Isigoria (all citizens have equal right to be heard) and Isonomia (every citizen is equal in front of the laws which are always decided using majority rule).
  • Liberal democracy - the people's power through democracy is checked by law, often by means of a written consitution
  • Despotism - absolute rule by a single authority (could fall under autocracy or oligarchy)
  • Enlighted despotism - despot uses absolute authority for the betterment of society
  • Meritocracy - "rule by those who most deserve to rule".
  • Oligarchy - "rule by the few".
  • Plutocracy - "rule by the wealthy".
  • Theocracy - "rule by religious leaders, ostensibly on behalf of their deity or deities"
  • Christian state - ostensibly guided by Christian principles
  • Islamic republic - ostensibly guided by Islamic principles
  • Tyranny - General description of a bad regime
  • Technocracy - rule by the scientifically educated, or ostensibly guided by scientific principles

A better breakdown on Wikipedia with more examples and expanded definition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_of..._of_government

Quite a bit of Skewed definitions there.

pinkz 10-22-2012 07:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axel_Crak (Post 19265416)
Ok anarchy can have some "rules" your right on that...

But cant it be apply to millions/billions of peoples without chaos
the only 4 laws you should ever need to follow

1. cause no harm to other humans
2. cause no loss or damage to others & their property
3. be honest in your contracts
4. breach not the peace

Worldwide most law systems are based on the above (old english common law), sadly they have developed over the years of their existence into what we put up with in todays modern society "Contractual Law" which is only aimed at lining the coffers of those who would claim to be our governing piers.

NewNick 10-22-2012 07:44 AM
Just put the Prophet Jonnyboi in charge.

Simples.


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