Verotel wanting $673.60 Cdn for Visa/MC reg - AND PASSPORT COPY?!! What the fuck?
Just received this from Verotel:
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All I can say is - WHAT THE FUCK?!! Verotel - you can kiss my ass. After SIX years of doing business with you - we're finished. Go fuck yourselves. :boid |
If you aint got nothing to hide, just give it to them. Don't be so paranoid.
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Are you going to shut down your sites?
Epoch/CCBill require similar money/documents. Merchant accounts require bank statements. |
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Our sites have been in recycle/archive mode for the last while - basically winding them down and not actively promoting them. We'll see what happens I guess... |
It's all part of the KYC (Know Your Customer) and AML (Anti-Money Laundering) requirements that everyone is having to adhere to
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good luck not paying a fee for processing.
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You can always go back to becoming a useless meter maid. Not sure why anyone would expect a company to require you to jump through all kinds of hoops to accept credit cards.
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I say FUCK EM ALL and start accepting BITCOINS
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If processors insist on intrusive IDs, then perhaps alternative currencies really will be the answer soon.
Social security numbers, copies of driver's licenses, passports - fuck that shit. Nobody needs that much information, especially faceless people across the ocean. |
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Thank you. :thumbsup |
I would have been using Zombio (or whatever) years ago, until they wanted ID. At that point I was out - same with ClickPay (or whatever - I forget the names).
I was seriously planning to reinstate my Verotel account very soon for 500 Euros, but if they want my passport now, no way Jose! Thanks for the heads-up SilentKnight :thumbsup |
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I recall several years ago Verotel hit us with a slew of chargebacks all at once - they claimed they hadn't been keeping track of a bunch that eminated from Europe. We had no way of verifying or appealing and wound up with revenue deductions that went on for ages. We got past that - but I never forgave Verotel for that shit at the time. Now this - the last straw. I'd enjoy a Verotel rep dropping into the thread and attempting justification for requiring copies of my passport - just to process for us. |
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Business Name - Sure Bank Account Information - Sure Tax ID Number - Sure Owner's Social Security Number - Maybe Copies of Driver's Licenses and Passport - Nope Why does anyone need photo ID? It's easier to buy a gun. |
What I find ironic is that it is the smaller players who get stuck paying but everybody knows it's always been the larger players who have been responsible for the scumbag shit in our industry for years. You know banging cards, hidden cross sales, chargeback roulette. It's not the little guys you see complaining who did all that crap. It's the big scumbags who in some cases are still around today and sitting pretty. These are the people who helped to bring about all the "compliance fees" for "regulation" we see now. And shit still happens. Remember agamegirlz.com just a few months ago?
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You won't be able to get any high risk processing (adult) without sending in your ID and all you personal details. These are requirements by the bank and Visa/Master.
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I am not happy about it either, but it's basically a 'cost of doing business' in this new anti-terror bullshit era. Merchant accounts, banks, whatever all now ask you a shitload of fucking questions, and require docs. Whether for anti-terromism or proof of citizenship. That being said..... Remember, this is what many Americans wanted, begged, and asked for.... the government to protect them from the boogie man. This is the end result of that slippery slope. They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. :2 cents: |
How do Corporations provide a passport?
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So when GM needs a processing account the US govt provides Obama's passport? Ya right
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so you expect a processor to process thousands of dollars for you without knowing whom they are processing for? Only reason you're hiding behind not providing a passport is because you are hiding, a criminal, a privacy freak, or a really wierd reason. would seem any bank or processor would want to know whom they are processing payments for regardless.
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Company Name Owner's Name SS Number Company Address Tax ID Number Bank Name Bank Account Number Bank Address 2257 Address Etc, etc... Explain how a photo ID adds to this? Why is everyone so eager and willing to bend over and take it? |
Do you have to show ID to open a bank account where you are?
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Criminals will use a fake ID or an ID of someone else if they need to. |
This thread really delivers.........................How little many of those actually know about the business, funny how so many of them have the most opinions
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Spain's got chip and pin now and they still want ID. Wanting it for billing though.. Probably something to do with the US terror laws they pushed through for banking no? |
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Personally we are dropping them they were a weak secondary at best. |
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welcome to the real world of doing business
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Is anyone in this thread running their business at a loss? My guess would be no, or at least a hopeful no. Not sure why anyone would expect another company to run their business at a loss. I would move away from doing business with anyone that I know is running at a loss, they could shut down any day and I could lose whatever I have invested with them. |
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If banks talk to banks (and they do), then providing your local company banking details should cover it, as like you said - you already provided ID to set that account up (locally). It just seems redundant, as you have already provided the details to the most important bank to begin with, to be in business in the first place. Not the same thing, but kind of like when Visa charges you $750 to "review your sites" for one billing company, but then charges you the same $750 over and over to "review your sites" again and again, for every other processing company. Shit just seems redundant and unnecessary. |
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You think Bank XYZ in your city gives your details to Bank ABC in another city on the other side of the world? And then on top of that, you think Bank ABC should simply blindly trust Bank XYZ and ignore any laws that they may have to follow in their own country? Also, if Bank XYZ is the "only important bank", why are you messing with Bank ABC? Why don't you simply have Bank XYZ process for your sites? Oh wait? it's because they won't. |
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Billing companies ask for all sorts of info, which includes your banking info, server info, and more. In a world riddled with identity theft, it would seem that these redundant photo copied ID requirements can only make things LESS safe - especially for business owners. |
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Have you guys ever opened a bank account, brokerage account, paxum account? Its the way grown ups do business and have for many years. |
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I used to think the porn biz was filled with radicals and tough guys, but instead... just the opposite.
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A few years ago online poker in the United States was more or less shut down. Not completely due to gambling, but due to wire fraud. The poker site owners were in cahoots with banks, in the United States, committing a broad range of acts that amount to wire fraud. In short, the banks were paid off to look the other way when illegal acts were taking place. Again, this was in the United States, not some third world post-Soviet state. Why on earth should Bank XYZ believe anything Bank ABC says in a completely different country? Do you want your local bank taking a local bank in Russia for its word? |
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