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If you love FAIRNESS, why aren't you for the abolition of the DEATH PENALTY?
If you truly believe in fairness, you would support the abolition of the death penalty. SERIOUSLY. Why should a guy who has enough smarts or enough cash to get a decent lawyer be able to avoid the death penalty when some poor schmuck takes the ultimate penalty because his lawyer is an overworked PD? Plus, the death penalty isn't applied UNIFORMLY so even if 2 people had the exact same facts in their case but 1 just happened to live in the Nascar section of town while the other one lived in the section of town known for their Barbara Streissand retrospectives, they would NOT get the same penalty.
Plus, the DEATH PENALTY has been shown to be meted out disproportionately to people who kill WHITES. Why can't America be more like Europe? They don't kill mofos for crimes there but Europe's still awesome. Enlighten me :) |
if you look at canada and the abolishment of capital punishment, you can get a real idea on the damage this policy causes society
some people just like good ol'fashioned state-sponsored murder however |
Why pay to house, clothe and feed a mass murderer like that guy in Oslo last year? |
When you move here feel free to petition your Congressperson to repeal the death penalty; until then, don't worry about it.
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Fair would be that we killed all serial killers/rapist fast and then shit in their grave.
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This is honestly a worry of yours that one violent killer gets the death penalty and another sick fuck murderer doesn't and it isn't fair? lol calling the WAAAAAAAA-AMBULANCE for you
If your concern was the chance that the state might kill an innocent man that's a different story. go look at who gets the death penalty and the circumstances of the crime, no everyday common murderer gets the death penalty. evil fuckers get it. |
whats so unfair about the death penalty. An eye for an eye....
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How much has it cost keeping a Charles Manson a lifetime prisoner in California for 30+ years. He's never getting out so there is another 10 -20 years left to pay. And then there are court ordered health care for end-of-life to consider too. Court appointed defense counsel is not $400/hr + legal services. Assistant DAs don't make $400/hr either. |
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I am all for getting rid of the death penalty. It is a waste of time and money and it does not act as a deterrent.
It isn't that I am against the idea of putting someone who has committed an terrible crime to death, but I am against wasting potentially millions of dollars to do so when it is cheaper and easier to just lock them up for the rest of their lives. |
i think it should be expanded with less appeals allowed
bring back hangings after trials not 2 years later after attorney's get to make 100k trying to overturn it :2 cents::2 cents: |
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There should be no fight for DNA evidence, it should automatically be entered into the trial. If every piece of evidence was admitted it would great cut down on the number of potentially innocent people that end up killed. I would also want to see the law modified so in cases where there is no hard DNA or physical evidence and we are relying on just eyewitness testimony (which is most of the time inaccurate) and evidence that is circumstantial are not allowed the death penalty or they are allowed more appeals. There have been a decent number of cases where innocent people spent 10+ years behind bars and were later found to be innocent. It would suck to find out that we were putting innocent people to death in the name of saving money and time. |
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I used to believe in the death penalty. Kill someone, and we will kill you back. Then I figured out that's letting them off easy... It's much better off if they live in fear of being ass fucked four times daily for the next seventy years... That Castro guy.... Fuck him. He is about to learn what it's like to be someone's bitch for the rest of his fucking life.
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Take a state like California. Currently they have about 700 people sitting on death row. That means they will end up spending an extra $1.4 billion dollars they are going to spend on these people. I would imagine there are better ways that the state could spend that money. |
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The US justice system currently has more to do with profit than fairness.
Discussing the death penalty is like discussing a small visible tumor on a body riddled with cancer. |
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Apparently, if people don't have to make life or death decisions, they're more willing to convict on first degree murder which, had the result of dropping our crime rate to the floor |
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Just to play devils advocate...
Whether you call it mental illness or character flaw or whatever, isn't a killer in some sense "sick"? and so is it morally right to kill a "sick" person? |
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Insanity plea means he didn't know what he was doing because of mental illness? So if someone knew what they were doing, derived pleasure from it or whatever, isn't it pretty clear that his mind is deranged? and doesn't deranged mind = sickness? Perhaps not in medical sense, but isn't it a form of sickness, no? |
Answering a question with a question: If someone's "sickness" is being a sociopath and a killer too leaving a trail of dead victims why should society give them 3 hots and a cot for years and years? |
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lets say someone develops unusual contagious disease that has no cure, the person carrying it is uneffected, but anyone that comes with contact with that person dies... how should that case be handled? |
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He'd pay it right? So what's wrong with people like me and you helping him out and paying it for him and people like currently sober who can't afford to kill? :pimp |
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When you start to crunch the numbers in likely wouldn't be that much per person (likely less than $100 per year depending on how many people would willingly pay. If states wanted to do that and they found enough people who were willing to pay the costs so it wasn't passed on to every tax payer, I wouldn't have a problem with it so long as due process was still diligently maintained. My opposing the death penalty is mostly of of cost and practicality. It doesn't work as a deterrent, it is expensive and sometimes we get it wrong, but if a group of people were willing to pick up the tab and we still made sure that we did the best possible job to make sure we were killing a guilty person, I would be fine with it. |
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Justice would be taking all the prisoners and evil people and putting them on an island and having them fight to the death.
If we had a system like this, no one in their right minds would comit crimes. |
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If we just took a bunch of prisoners and dropped them on an island who is to say they would end up fighting to the death? Would there be some violence? Likely yes, but more likely they would create some kind of society for themselves. The only way I could see them fighting to the death is if we forced their hand in some way (IE only giving food to the winners) and when you start doing that kind of crazy shit I think the general public would be pretty turned off to it and demand a change. |
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I don't understand why he shouldn't be in the "general population". He's guilty of kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder. Isn't that what half of the prison population is in prison for? Society was unable to protect his victims - Society should be unwilling to protect him in prison. |
Do you not think the nature of criminal mind hasn't been debated for centuries? If you're going to label everybody who murders another person as 'mentally ill' then do it for lesser crimes as well because the same liberal interpretation of 'mentally ill' applies - I think somebody who scams an old person out of their life savings is a sick twisted fuck. Everybody who does anything criminal has an excuse, as we create more 'mental illness' categories everybody eventually will have a diagnosis of being mentally ill in some way.
For criminal acts we define 'criminally insane' the way it should be defined, only when the mental illness is so severe that the criminal can't understand the nature of his crime or control his impulses. |
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a scam artist is only slightly deranged so we can safely let him out after 5 years... a cold murderer is badly fucked up, with little to no chance of getting better so we might as well kill him? (by "sick" I mean it in the broadest sense, not necessarilly mental illness, but perhaps a character flaw, inability to control impulses, poor decision making skills, etc... just any flaw that would cause a person to commit a crime...) |
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By that logic imprisonment is cruel and unusual punishment -- send them to Hell Island with a knife and a bag of seeds. |
This debate 101? I recall doing this in grade 9 myself..
How can putting someone on death row cost more than having them 'rot in prison' for the next 40-50 years? I know it takes forever for things like that to take place but still more cost effective to flush the fish rather than feeding and having to babysit it for 4 or 5 times longer than that. |
Getting rid of the death penalty does not solve this issue. Then they will just get life while the rich guy walks.
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Another aspect is the legal fees. There are a serious of legal steps that must be taken in every case no matter if the defendant is asking for them or not. All of these legal fees and court costs add up quickly not to mention many of these people are also fighting and doing much more than just the minimum required steps, they are trying every legal angle they can to stop their execution. That costs money. Put together housing them in special units for many years and all the legal fees involved in getting the case through the system and it adds up very quickly. |
To me it comes down pretty simply. I view death as a release from suffering. Therefore, death is not the ultimate penalty. It's the earliest release program there could ever be.
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sometimes i ask the same question about why the united states can't change. |
Death is a too easy way out.....torture them daily while on death row! (Joke)
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If you have to do executions it means the capital punishment does not work for it's purpose.
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