North Carolina : Say goodbye to voting rights, thank republicans
 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ng-rights.html

Sorry, black people and students.

Did you hear - Hillary Clinton is getting involved! I hope she's over the whole "Bros Befo HOs" thing and that rapper calling her a bitch.

Crazy that people that are supposed to follow an extensive list of rules to qualify them as a voter has to actually verify citizenship/state of residence etc to vote.

Fucking moron.

You have to have ID to do anything else but vote. Makes total sense if you are a complete fucking idiot.



Oh... i keep forgetting by your non stop bullshit here that you're not even American.

Of the four ID's they are asking for, I have 3, I don't see a problem here.
My daughter is a student in another state, she has 3 of those ID's they are asking for.

The democrats are all against this, but will ask for ID when Obamacare goes into effect.

They just want to make sure that people only vote once is what it looks like, I read some of the numbers from the last election, this is common sense.

Thing is, there's a bunch of morons who will chime in agreeing that it's just common sense.

In NC you can be on public assistance from the state but can't use that card as identification. Common sense. For idiots.

where exactly is the problem? or do you guys just see the keyword "Republican" or "Democrat" and jump to conclusions without even reading the article?

Right... same requirements for almost anything else. Try walking into a bar and proving you are 21 because you have a college id.

How fucking racist is it to suggest a black person can't get a state id card or that a black person won't have a drivers license and can't get one?

We're not talking about going to a bar or driving. Try to pay attention, or like me, get back to work.

They're looking for a solution without a problem. There was no voter fraud in the last election.

High voter turnout usually favors Democratic candidates, so trying to knock minorities out of the process will ensure more Republican victories. Why is it that only Republican state governments are doing these kinds of things? They're afraid of black and young voters. They need old white people to get elected.

ok, lets talk about how many cases of voter fraud there has been

helps put all this into light.

so wait a min, you are saying we need a driver's license to buy a pack of smokes.... but to vote something like a library card should be sufficient? :1orglaugh

Right.. just talking about who will run economies, push laws, agendas, programs and so on.

We are talking about a fucking democratic election in what is supposed to be the worlds shining example of democracy (you know, the one we keep trying to force on those who don't want it?)... the very fucking idea that somehow there is a problem with someone verifying their identity and that they are eligible to vote is totally insane.

How fucking idiotic are you people that you actually think an illegal Mexican drug cartel member and hitman with 50 murders under his belt should be able to walk into a San Diego voting booth and vote for the next governor of California?

How fucking racist are you that a black man getting a drivers license is an impossibility in your eyes?

And just how do they get public assistance without one of those ID's.

Please show me a list of adults that don't drive or drink in NC. Remember this is a NASCAR state. I'm sure a state ID card works as well.

He is saying that a 16 yr old runaway junkie and drug mule from Nicaragua should be able to vote for the governor of a state as they can now. And suggesting otherwise is just racist and undemocratic.

You should have to show a state or federal issued ID. That simple. No exceptions. Don't care what color you are.

If you need to show a valid ID to drive, buy booze, or buy a firearm, you should need to show one to vote. If voting means that much to you, get an ID so you can prove you who are.

There is nothing wrong with requiring a high security ID to vote in itself. The problem is that the voting fraud it's trying to stop is extremely rare and in practice it will probably prevent 100 or 1000 people from voting for every 1 fraudulent vote it actually stops. Most people won't be stopped from voting due to it being impossible for them under the new requirements but rather because it increases the hurdles they have to face in order to vote.

It could backfire on the people who think it will mainly hurt the Democrats. Sometimes if certain groups perceive that you are trying to persecute them or prevent them from voting they end up turning up in record numbers. It's said this happened a bit last November. People waited up to 8 hours to vote in southern Florida last year when early voting was curtailed a bit and many polling places were closed. It only hardened their determination to vote.

BLK people and students can't get drivers license or valid ID? LOL

FYI: you have no voting rights in SC... you are NOT an America citizen... remember? :1orglaugh

Apparently Republicans are the ones doing all the voter fraud....



Roxanne Rubin, Nevada Republican, Accepts Plea Deal After Committing Voter Fraud
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2566297.html


Florida finds evidence of voter fraud by GOP-tied firm
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/flor...p_tied_ firm/


Another Republican convicted of felony voter fraud
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...ny-voter-fraud


Virginia Republican pleads guilty to dozens of counts of voter fraud
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/1...f-voter-fraud/


Shocker: Republicans Account For Most Cases Of U.S. Voter Fraud
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06...-s-voter-fraud

The party that brought you the the civil war, the KKK and racial segregation want you to know that its unfair to ask a black person to get a drivers license or state id card with the logic and reasoning that its just too difficult for him/her. Apparently, they want you to lower your expectations for black people to zero.

i'm pretty sure you need photo id to vote in canada as well.

are we racist too?

yep, judging by the outcome of the last two elections, there was no voter fraud,,,,because Obama is both young and white.

that's another funny thing

then there is gerrymandering

I have two photo IDs. I can't even drive!

Aim high. Aim high.

Just when I thought you couldnt say anything any more retarded you come up with this gem.

I can't do anything about the public school system failing you. Take that up with them.

Otherwise, I get it, you are democrat. You are liberal. You're poor, you don't produce and you''ve convinced yourself the world owes you something and that nothing is your fault because that's how you learned to live with yourself... now your big concern is that a black guy is asked to get a valid id because that is just setting the bar too high... and you want everyone have appropriate and realistic expectations for what is being asked.

OR open a bank account... :2 cents:

the democrats? Lincoln was the very first republican president :2 cents:

Lincoln didn't make the decision to separate from the Union to preserve slavery.

you can open a bank account online with not one single document....i've done it before....ally bank.

Its only gonna get worst / strict..

Just a thought, maybe we shouldn't allow people to stupid to drive to pick our leaders...:winkwink:

ok, according to true the vote

Here are the facts:

To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.

More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.

There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.

More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.

True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.

Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.

This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
California: 49,000
Florida: 30,000
Texas: 28,500
Michigan: 25,000
Illinois: 24,000

12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.

The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.

Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.

The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

True The Vote is Chuck Norris approved. I think that's funny!

With the election of Republican candidate Abraham Lincoln on November 6, 1860, South Carolina followed by six other states seceded from the Union. Even though his views about slavery were considered moderate during the nomination and election, South Carolina had warned it would secede if he won. Lincoln agreed with the majority of the Republican Party that the South was becoming too powerful and made it part of their platform that slavery would not be extended to any new territories or states added to the union.

what about Obama hiring George Soros' company to count all those fraudulent votes????? nobody wants to talk about that huh?

Poor people in the south are often born at home and often do not get birth certificates. When they do, it is often handled by people who are barely literate themselves. Often, no one in the house is literate. This and the fact many are born with one name and go by another are pretty difficult for people with next to no education to get past and have proper ID.

When they do get education or assistance they slide because in small communities people slide as there are still "christians" with old time values who believe in helping people.

When I owned properties on the southeast coast I often had workers working for me who had only an x or a pretty unreadable signature.

Older people, those likely to vote, fall into this voting mess.

Personally I think people who have no ID and want to vote should be sorted out with the help of their churches or local councils.

I am all for keeping non citizens out of the voting process but this matter should be fixed.

US is a messed up country. This whole thing is a dog and pony show to distract people from the real problems.

Ahhh the simple days where you had to be a white male Protestant land owner to vote.

Actually, I think you should have to show "proper ID" as well as a copy of the previous years tax return to vote.


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Did you vote for Lincoln or were you part of the southern state rights slavery thingy?

Mark, nice piece of trolling :thumbsup

Until recently I would have agreed with you, but I have actually recently gone through this with my mom.

Here is the problem. The issue is one of photo Id and available documents and cost of getting said items.

My mom was born at home in Illinois in 1940. It wasn't intended that way, but her dad was at work, mom went into labor and by the time dad got home to take her to the hospital she was on the way so she was born in the living room. Since she was not born in a hospital there wasn't an automatic issuing of a birth certificate. When my mom was six months old her family moved to Florida and then they lived in a few different states over the next few years as her dad looked for work. Her parents finally filed to get her birth certificate, but had to do everything via mail and my mom really has no idea where they filed this. She has never had a copy of her birth certificate.

For 65 years everything was fine. She had gotten credit cards, bought houses, cars, had jobs, got a drivers license and lived a typical life with her social security card/number being enough ID. Recently her drivers license expired. A few years prior to this she had stopped driving all together so it wasn't a big deal. She is disabled and has a very difficult time getting around so the DMV sent her a form that will allow her to get a non-photo ID through the mail which she did.

Now, if this voter bill were to be passed in our state she would not be able to vote because she doesn't have the proper photo ID. She can't get a photo ID because the state will not issue one without seeing a birth certificate and she has no real idea where to go about getting that. I would imagine I could send emails and do some searching and eventually find where she could do this, but there is no guarantee. Even if I do find the place there will be costs. The ID in this state will cost her $45. It would likely cost about $20 for her birth certificate. So my mom will have to pay $65 or more for the sole purpose of having the proper ID to vote with. She has been voting since she was 20 years old, now suddenly, after 50 years she would have to pay for that right. For someone like her who is on medicaid and lives in an assisted living center, that is a lot of money. Sure, in her case my brother and I would pay it for her, but there are a decent number of people who don't have that option.

Voter fraud is almost non-existent in this country. These laws are strictly put in place by republicans to limit the number of votes cast which helps them win elections.

Lots of "almost"?

It is pure insanity that in a democracy - it is viewed as inherently unfair that having a valid ID to elect a lease is inherently unfair or racist.

Even more. It's pure fucking awesomeness that expecting a Mexican or black to get a valid ID in order to vote (same id's required to do a myriad of other things we all do) is just setting the bar too high and expecting far too much.

former GMC? pretty Cool... like a numbered account basically... how did the voting online work out?

fraud hurts us all in many ways and it's always the least able that get hurt the most

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I only have one of those ID's.
And the one I have is because I had access to a car to learn how to drive.
Poor MoFo's walking and not driving only have a "State ID" which is not a driver's license and this is no longer accepted under these new rules.

But people provide a Social Security card and birth certificate to get the "state ID" the same as the driver's license. The only difference in the two IDs is the ability to drive.

But it is a fact that minorities are the one's holding only state ids because of no car.
You can fool yourself about this all you want; but it's clear what the goal is.



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How dare a state require a Government issued ID to vote!

I mean... the very idea! :angrysoap



http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx...index&la ng=e

Look to your own house we'll take care of ours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_the_Vote

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/us...anted=all&_r=0

You're right, it's not racist to require a driver's license, you just need a car to learn how to drive.

Has anyone checked to see if car loans discriminate against poor people?

:1orglaugh

I am talking about actual cases of voter fraud. Not dead people still on the rolls or people who filled out a card improperly or who moved and filled out a new card for their new state yet remain on the rolls in their old state as well. Those are bookkeeping issues, not voter fraud. I am talking about actual physical voter fraud where someone tried to cast an illegal ballot.

Let's look at North Caroline.

In 2012 6,947,317 votes were cast in various election. There were 121 alleged cases of voter fraud that were referred to the appropriate district attorney's office for further review. That means the voter fraud rate was 0.00174 per cent

In 2010 when there was no presidential election there were 3.79 million votes cast and 27 cases of voter fraud turned over to authorizes. That year the voter fraud rate was 0.000738 percent.

Yeah, is a huge problem.