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Rob 10-19-2015 08:53 AM

People ducking payments - what do you do?
 
I have several clients who have signed yearly contracts to be paid monthly, and for the most part, they pay me as soon as I invoice them. But there are a few that just buck payment using crappy excuses. They continue to post extravagant photos online while maintaining they're "broke right now", and can't pay the invoice. The invoices are only $1,500 - $2,000, which isn't going to kill me. But it bothers me when I ask for an update a week after sending the invoice, and they tell me, "Oh, I can't pay that right now, I'm hurting until I get some more money in." -- then you see photos of them on expensive vacations, bragging about how much they spent at the casino last night, and picking up the tab for 20 people at Texas de Brazil (that's over a $grand right there). :mad:

I have full control over their sites (domain, hosting, payment gateways, everything). Should I be a dick and shut off services until payment is received? That's a real fucked up thing to do, and they're not too delinquent on payment - yet. It could have a lot of negative blow back. I get almost all my clients from word of mouth, and I don't want to be the guy known for shutting down an entire business for missing one payment. But I have bills to pay and kids to spoil.

How do you get people to pay your invoices on time? Any trade secrets I'm missing out on?

Sly 10-19-2015 09:00 AM

Give them a warning that you will need to disable services if payments are not made by X date.

For all future clients, make it very, VERY clear that this is your policy and you do not fuck around.

The moment you allow someone to walk all over you is the moment they realize they can, and they will. If their website is vital to their business, which I'm guessing it is, they will learn to understand that paying that bill is akin to buying groceries.

Mediamix 10-19-2015 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20608998)
Give them a warning that you will need to disable services if payments are not made by X date.

For all future clients, make it very, VERY clear that this is your policy and you do not fuck around.

The moment you allow someone to walk all over you is the moment they realize they can, and they will. If their website is vital to their business, which I'm guessing it is, they will learn to understand that paying that bill is akin to buying groceries.

Solid advice! :2 cents: :thumbsup

CamTraffic 10-19-2015 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20608998)
Give them a warning that you will need to disable services if payments are not made by X date.

For all future clients, make it very, VERY clear that this is your policy and you do not fuck around.

The moment you allow someone to walk all over you is the moment they realize they can, and they will. If their website is vital to their business, which I'm guessing it is, they will learn to understand that paying that bill is akin to buying groceries.

^^ This

The longer you wait, the harder it will be to collect.
I will add a late fee and then a warning to shut them off. (just like rent)

MrBottomTooth 10-19-2015 09:45 AM

I also had good luck collecting a small debt by publicly shaming them on facebook. Lol. I would not recommend that approach though. The only reason I did is because they were no longer clients. They went out of business eventually.

DVTimes 10-19-2015 09:53 AM

Send them a letter stating they have a months note and that service will automaticly end by xxx unless payment is made.

Make it look like its automatic rather than from you.

Miguel T 10-19-2015 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20608998)
Give them a warning that you will need to disable services if payments are not made by X date.

For all future clients, make it very, VERY clear that this is your policy and you do not fuck around.

The moment you allow someone to walk all over you is the moment they realize they can, and they will. If their website is vital to their business, which I'm guessing it is, they will learn to understand that paying that bill is akin to buying groceries.

Couldn't have said it better! :thumbsup:thumbsup

Barry-xlovecam 10-19-2015 10:39 AM

I have always felt that customers (other Debtors) that repeatedly do not pay their bills are not valued customers. :2 cents:

ilnjscb 10-19-2015 11:05 AM

I keep emailing and sending invoices like an impotent bitch.

MakeMeGrrrrowl 10-19-2015 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20608998)
Give them a warning that you will need to disable services if payments are not made by X date.

For all future clients, make it very, VERY clear that this is your policy and you do not fuck around.

The moment you allow someone to walk all over you is the moment they realize they can, and they will. If their website is vital to their business, which I'm guessing it is, they will learn to understand that paying that bill is akin to buying groceries.

I agree with this.

j3rkules 10-19-2015 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 20609123)
I keep emailing and sending invoices like an impotent bitch.

:thumbsup

suesheboy 10-19-2015 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20608989)
They continue to post extravagant photos online while maintaining they're "broke right now", and can't pay the invoice. The invoices are only $1,500 - $2,000, which isn't going to kill me. But it bothers me when I ask for an update a week after sending the invoice, and they tell me, "Oh, I can't pay that right now, I'm hurting until I get some more money in." -- then you see photos of them on expensive vacations, bragging about how much they spent at the casino last night, and picking up the tab for 20 people at Texas de Brazil (that's over a $grand right there). :mad:

I have full control over their sites (domain, hosting, payment gateways, everything). Should I be a dick and shut off services until payment is received? That's a real fucked up thing to do, and they're not too delinquent on payment - yet. It could have a lot of negative blow back. I get almost all my clients from word of mouth, and I don't want to be the guy known for shutting down an entire business for missing one payment. But I have bills to pay and kids to spoil.

How do you get people to pay your invoices on time? Any trade secrets I'm missing out on?

I go crazy with that and i have one client that drives me insane with this. She would be in the shitter without me (she has been with 6 years now) and tempted as I am I have never shut her off. I have been 90 days past due at one point for more than 10K and it was killing me as I didn't do other things on order to make that money with her.

Killer is I have full access to all her back ends and know her sales and profit. I know when she is making big bucks and what her bills are and she has no excuse.

Sly 10-19-2015 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 20609236)
I go crazy with that and i have one client that drives me insane with this. She would be in the shitter without me (she has been with 6 years now) and tempted as I am I have never shut her off. I have been 90 days past due at one point for more than 10K and it was killing me as I didn't do other things on order to make that money with her.

Killer is I have full access to all her back ends and know her sales and profit. I know when she is making big bucks and what her bills are and she has no excuse.

There is no reason to be nice about these things. These people are putting you out. Keeping food off of your table and causing you stress because they don't think you are worth the money. That's what it comes down to. Show them that you are, because you are, and stop messing around with this nonsense.

Like you said, she would be lost without you. If she needs to suffer for a month in order to get back in shape, that's her business, there's no reason you should be doing the suffering for her.

sperbonzo 10-19-2015 01:16 PM

Personally I think that the direct approach will work the best. Observe....


candyflip 10-19-2015 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 20609001)
^^ This

The longer you wait, the harder it will be to collect.
I will add a late fee and then a warning to shut them off. (just like rent)

And another fee to turn stuff back on. I've had to do this a few times as well.

L-Pink 10-19-2015 01:35 PM

I always offered a "cash" discount if paid upon receipt. If people don't take a discount for paying immediately it tells you everything you need to know about them as business owners.

American Psycho 10-19-2015 06:05 PM

Break something vital but not everything and require the account to be paid full before you will fix it for them.

How should I send you the address for my gift basket?

ilnjscb 10-20-2015 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20609278)
I always offered a "cash" discount if paid upon receipt. If people don't take a discount for paying immediately it tells you everything you need to know about them as business owners.

I need to try that and boy is that true. When they say, send me an invoice and then don't pay it right away, I'm always like, oh shit, here we go. People who have the money pay for invoices they ask for very quickly. Past the second excuse or email, you are in collection hell.

newB 10-20-2015 11:30 AM

You're charging them with compounding late fees, right?

Colmike9 10-20-2015 12:22 PM

What happens when that person tries to fake their own death?... :winkwink:


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