Third lien on Trump hotel brings alleged unpaid bills to over $5 million
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...c3 cd557cb6de

and on, and on, and on it goes...

Is he as much in debt as America?

This piece suggests that Trump owes around $1.8 billion to over 150 different institutions all over the world. The worry is that knowing this he might lean one way or the other in some negotiations in order to help himself out or help out some of these people.

This election must be annulled...NOW.

Pick another Republican and put him in there. Any fucking Republican. Put Dog the Bounty Hunter in there. Anything would be better.

but but but trump is a billionaire how can he owe money? he is god emperor and shit? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh MAGA for sure :2 cents:

don't worry he will print 5 billion and keep the change! america voted for a nightmare! well actually hillary won.

That DC hotel's construction cost was over $200Million
That's 2.5% in liens for exactly what? Sub contractors often lien for addon costs to contracts that are disputed. Without details I wouldn't rush to judgment. Liens get bonded off title and expire in a set amount of time to sue for (1 year was my statute of limitations).

Deutche Bank must have likes the deal, LOL. The LTV on a commercial project loan seems rather high for a bank :2 cents:

kittens, prince!

For dipshits like Mark that care about nothing more than constant, one sided emotional rants, construction liens are a normal part of construction and a consistent feature of every medium/large construction project. Contractor/sub contractor bids, gets job, doesn't do job to satisfaction/complete obligations, otherwise defaults, goes over budget, goes over deadline etc etc etc etc etc etc etc... doesn't get paid on the date he demands it, files a construction lien as a first course of action, both parties fight and remedy the situation.

Jesus fuck,... you guys just don't quit with the grasping and whining, fake news and false narratives. Every way you acted to put Trump in the White House is the exact same fucking thing that will get him elected a second time. And guess what??? The same party that proudly denounced REpublicans as "the party of no" are what exactly? They are "the party of No X100", planning the future of "the party of no" and he's not even fucking President yet.

Trump has a long history of not paying contractors. This isn't a "dispute", this is Trump not paying his bills.

Never before have I been so disappointed in my country.

This appears to be our system now. Republicans turned into the party of "No" when Obama won the election and it worked for them. They played the obstructionist role and blamed everything on the Democrats and Obama and in the long run, it got them control of all three houses. Now the Democrats are likely to return the favor

Our leadership no longer seems interested in actually doing things that help move the country forward. They seem only interested in stopping the opposing party from getting their way.

Trumplestiltskins see Trump as a victim.

Anything Trump does wrong will be liberals fault, the medias fault, etc. There will always be an excuse, no matter what, it's part of their denial and fake reality created by their master who says not to listen to anything but him, everything else is bad and out to get him.

Out of 300 million Americans only 62 million supported Trump.

No matter what Trump does they will follow & defend, it's important to remember this :2 cents:

I have been saying things like that for months or even years. It is unbelievable. Literally. And they think they are the smart ones, looking down on those who disagree with their misguided views... Literally amazing specimen...

Probably a days worth of bills to him. Do you really think he sits around paying bills all day? Nope other people do that.

The Rumpster will straighten it out. He has people to look after the small shit

Dude think about this.

Trump, a 71 year old business man, doesn't have the business structure in place to make sure his bills are paid on time and disputes don't end in an embarrassing lien on a property he's leading from the United States government.

The same guy who just paid $25,000,000 settling a lawsuit where he ripped thousands of people off.

Your man :thumbsup

Ready for Ted?

http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2012/04/Nugent004.jpg

Stop whining. He is your president elect.
You voted him in.

Get over it and enjoy the show.

Republicans turned into "the party of no" when Obama named them as such as the result of his refusal to engage whatsoever on the second stimulus package and threw tantrums to see all his demands met, which included rushing an 1,100 page bill through for "emergency" help to the worlds biggest financial institutions as it was becoming quite clear that saving IAG with the first stimulus package was a drop in the bucket compared to the carnage to come. Everyone wanted to slow the process down and his attitude was "fuck you ... if you're not with me, you're against me". There is a political process for passing bills that is supposed to be about dialogue, discussion and debate and moreover, respect. Something he has not shown the other side since day one.

As a result of his refusal to make the case, to lead, to engage with others and to bring people together, bring people to the table and bring parties together as his very first Presidential action of all things, he set the tone. What happened? He promised shovel ready jobs, which never existed. He gave billions to banks who just sat on it until the economy stabilized, rather than pump it into the economy, he gave 100s of millions to "feel good" green companies to fund failing business models and so on. After that, he continued with that narrative even though Democrats had the House and Senate and he still had a tough time getting things done without enough Democratic support... so he continued with the "boogyman narrative" of the "Obstructionists" which was at this point laughable. What did all that result in? 33,000 page health care bill that was passed without even being read, discussed or debated. "we have to pass this bill so we can see what's in it".

I know you lean left, but imagine what his presidency has been like to 1/2 of this nation... 1/2 of the voting public are Republicans. He has been President of the USA maligning day in and day out, 1/2 of the people he is supposed to be representing and not shown even the slightest semblance of respect towards that. He promised to bring people together. He promised to unite people. He promised to work with the other party. He never made a sincere effort to do that. His presidency has been the most divisive in my life.

And as a result.... you have what?

Trump.

The opposite end of the spectrum.
The other side of the exact same coin.

And whats happened? Everyone on the other side is going nuts.
What will happen next time? If there is not a truly inspirational person, it will be the same shit.

By the way, Hillary is every bit of the same prick that Trump is. Comment on Hillary and her behavior, lies, crimes or whatever and "you hate women". She's no better than Trump

Just like most other false narratives in the media... this one too was repeated time and time again regardless of the facts until it became fact.

As someone has already pointed out contractors file liens all the time. Especially when they do a shitty job and think they still deserve to get paid. But as also pointed out they LOVE to under bid and over bill. Because they know they can file a lein and force you to settle their over billing.

yes, construction liens are a standard feature of commercial construction. they are guaranteed to happen with medium to large projects which have multiple contractors and sub contractors.

apparently, they are also evidence of dishonesty to total fucking retards who can't be bothered to confirm a single fact if it doesn't fit the party narrative.

And incidentally, as i've witnessed a sub contractor to a union job for example can be non-union, causing many other contractors to strike, leaving remaining contractors in a financial bind and being forced into seeking the only remedy they have at that point which is to file a lien which serves many legal purposes and is the start of "forming a line" for claims when a project is falling apart. It can be a single self righteous social justice warrior or union causing a whole project to fall apart. it doesn't have to have anything at all to do with "paying the bills". and you don't "pay the bills" for work which hasn't been performed or pay a contractor which hasn't been performed as promised (regardless of the circumstances).

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I will agree with you that what we have now will likely continue unless we find a leader that can actually inspire and work with people from both parties.

As for Obama turning the Republicans into the party of "No", that is simply not the case. Republican leaders were meeting before Obama was sworn into office to come up with a plan to shut him down. Here is a piece Time did on that. They had a plan from the moment he was elected to say "No" to everything he wanted to do. Remember, they carried out a historic number of filibusters against him many of which came during the time his cabinet picks and other appointment nominees were being voted on.

I will agree that Obama's presidency was very divided, but you can't work with people who don't want to be worked with.

:bowdown

8 Enjoyable Years of Trump Nation :thumbsup

Kane, as i said, it was about the stimulus bill. One that was being promised before he took office and one that Republicans disagreed with as it was clearly too little, too late and not going to do anything. A massive financial commitment, long on promises and short on details. The "party of no" began with that and just became the narrative. That and "blame Bush" which was also milked to death for all of the first term and most of the second.

Furthermore, Republicans control more state positions than they have since the 1800s. They now control the House, the Senate and the White House. You can't call yourself a rational, reasonable person and not understand that maybe... just maybe, there is another side to the story of Obama, the economy, unemployment numbers, the business climate etc etc etc thats being continually ignored for a tired narrative that most people don't believe in... If everything was truly as great as people on this board believe it to be, then there wouldn't have been such a wholesale slaughter in the elections.

Obviously there is a LOT more to whats happening between Democrats and Republicans than Republicans being evil and obstructionists. Of course, it requires a little less bias to see that than most people have.

And what do we have now? Democrats are "the party of no". As you've pointed out... BEFORE the guy is even in office (Trump this time), the other side is trying to figure out everything and anything possible to stop anything he wants to do. Sound familiar? Good for them. Hypocritical,.. but good for them.

But this time, it's different.

This time its not about people being tired of war and Bush.

This time its about people being tired of being told how great things are going when they're not. How great health care is when it isn't. About a President that tells border agents to not do their jobs. About people who want to work but can't. About a nation with the lowest workforce participation rate that its seen in 1/2 a century while being told unemployment numbers are incredibly great. It's about someone like Hillary who is less trusted by her own party, than a pedophile at Chuck E Cheese being the other choice. Its about a party who has grown tone deaf.

The same divisive tactics that gave the reigns of a nation FULLY to Republicans are still being used as the blame game continues. You can't find a Democrat who will admit Hillary just didn't have a great plan or great message, but you'll find tens of millions who'll talk about how she got fucked somehow. No one can just let it go and move on. Obama didn't care about Putin shitting all over him for 8 years - but somehow the "hacking" which occurred this summer, is a MASSIVE issue to be addressed 6 months later. He's done everything possible to call into question the legitimacy of Trumps presidency. Sound familiar? How ironic that the idiot droning on and on about birth certificates almost a decade ago is now the idiot being attacked by the other side for similar idiotic and contrived non-reasons.

And then there are the crockett scientists like Bladewire, **********, crockett et al who LOVE to talk about "hypocrisy" of others always wanting you to believe that is their motivation in their incessant ranting about anything Republican and who manage to totally ignore all of the same from their "team"... which is the very definition of hypocrisy.

Even worse, 1/2 the people with such strong opinions about US Politics on this forum are uninformed people from outside the country.... pretending they have their fingers on the pulse of middle America... which is completely asinine.

Why are you lying?

I get you feel like a bad ass supporting DT EVERY chance you get and saying you're not a Republican, yet you INFLATE Republican voter registrations to represent them as "half the voting public" You just outed yourself as an official Trumplestiltskin.

"Overall, 48% of all registered voters identify as Democrats or lean Democratic compared with 44% who identify as Republican or lean toward the GOP. Clinton vs. Trump popular vote totals: Recounts begin, could Clinton win Electoral College? | AL.com

48% of voters chose Clinton

46% of voters chose DT

Rougly 3,000,000 more Americans elected Clinton President, though the electoral college stole that from the people anointing trump.

You lie and say 1/2 the voters are Republican when in reality 3,000,000 more Americans voted Clinton OVER Trump. Republicans are not the voting majority, Democrats are.

This may end up being one of those 'time will tell' type situations. The Republicans became the party of "No" and it worked for them. Now the Democrats are saying they will be doing the same. The Democrats tend to be a little more spineless than the Republicans so we will have to wait and see how far they go. If they do play the part of obstructionist then we will see if it works for them and they start regaining power. In all honesty, I think it working for them and them being able to block anything Trump wants to do would be the worst thing that could happen because all it will do is teach that the party that is not in power need only play the obstructionist role and they will be rewarded come election time. It will start us down a road that will be hard to turn away from.

It's quite funny you talk about hypocrisy and whine about people complaining about Trump. Meanwhile you whined for 7 years about Obama and then the last year over Hillary. You were one of the loudest crybabies on this board during Obama's terms..

Now it's different..

Hypocrites I swear... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh You just can't stop blaming the other guys while white knighting yourself..

But he swears he's not a Republican. You can't make this stuff up. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Don't forget that this was the issue during mid-term elections. People's trust in Congress was at an all time low. Peoples trust in anyone in Washington to get anything done at all was at an all time low.

I don't think more of the same will be a winning formula for anyone. This is what peple were voting against and why this guy is now President. He's not in any way representative of "more of the same". Hillary to voters was.

Typically, with legislation, people would put forth their own version of legislation and sell it better than the other, forcing the other to the table. I would guess we'd be back to that as thats really whats going to sell to the public. I can't see Democrats blocking anything as a means to accomplish something meaningful that will be important to voters.

as i've explained to you many times, there is a difference in making fun of your pathetically silly rants and "supporting" anyone. you've never been able to understand or see that distinction.

furthermore, YOU are the one in particular that insists your primary motivation is to point out hypocrisy. I point out your stupidity in your failure to understand your hypocritical approach to pointing out hypocrisy. They are not the same things.
:2 cents:

'' peanutgate '' was OK .

But this guy does not release his tax returns ( a first ! ) , does not put his businesses in blind trust , sa nd it is all OK for you guys...

But Carter had a peanut farm .....

I say all the time that i am very conservative in my thinking and views. I understand that my views are biased. just as yours are. I understand that I am likely no more right or wrong than someone on the other side as we are both not giving equal weight in our consideration to the arguments of the other. kane understands the same, which is why there can be some degree of civility and respect in the exchange.

Unlike all of you crockett scientists, i don't pretend my view is "the truth" and the other views can only exist because those people are "brainwashed", "crazy' etc. I don't pretend i'm something i'm not. you guys alone have that important distinction. The height of stupidity and insanity. Truly believing that anyone that doesn't share your narrow view of things must be "crazy".

Democrats will get revenge by inviting Mugabe to speak to congress.

:1orglaugh

Hillary among her many other issues, continually lied and destroyed evidence (emails, phones, computers, servers) under subpoena, got people killed (covert agents exposed), allowed foreign states access to classified State Department emails, mishandled classified materials etc etc etc and lied and lied and lied again about it and you guys were/are ok with that...

see how that works....?

Frankly, that would be awesome. You can't be respected if you don't add a touch of crazy to the process.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yea all the "cool" righties are too hipp to be republican.. they are alt whities.. :1orglaugh

While people's trust in congress is at an all time low, they still enjoy about a 90%+ reelection rate. Until they are punished for behaving like assholes I don't see them changing a whole lot.

I think Obamacare will be a good test of how things are going to go over the next few years. Obviously, Democrats don't want it flat-out repealed and a number of Republicans have said they want a replacement in place before repealing. It will be interesting to see how much bipartisan work there is in the replacement.

It's amazing you are totally making fun of anything that was good from the left while making fun of anything bad from the right. You are almost as unbiased as Robbie & Vendillza. :1orglaugh

As explained to you many many many times... and even explained again a couple posts again, i understand that my views are biased. Unlike you turds, to don't deny it and pretend that my world view is some objective truth and that anyone seeing anything else is 'crazy' or 'brainwashed by FoxNews" because i'm simply incapable of understanding that i may not be right or that both sides can be right. That again, is the hallmark trait of crocket scientists.

I think that is another obvious case of the media creating an unreasonable and fake narrative. Obviously a law such as this cannot simply be repealed without some plan to bridge the gap and cover people... yet when you listen to people talk, everyone acts like this is on the table. Trumps inability to filter his language certainly doesn't help him as it tends to bring out the worst in both sides and "repeal...." being put before "replace..." is something that no sane person would make a mantra as it's clear what the media will do with it.

In the case of Obamacare though, there is near universal agreement that a lot of changes need to happen, so i can't imagine this being anything more than squabbling about details.

There is a segment of the Republican party that would love to just see it repealed and have nothing replace it. They want to go back to how things were before Obamacare. I don't know why that is, maybe it is because they see this as a stepping stone towards a single payer system. The more rational of the Republicans are already coming out and saying they won't support a bill that repeals without a replacement bill in place.

It does need to be fixed. There are several easy things they can do right away that would make it better. I just wonder if they will be able to come together enough to actually do those things. Part of me thinks they would be better off just repealing and replacing the parts that don't work in order to make it better. The Republicans have said this will be their top priority. I'm very curious to see how this turns out especially since I have asthma and until Obamacare came around I was denied the ability to buy real health insurance. It would suck if I had to go back to those days.

I liened a few construction jobs over contract disputes personally I was a state licensed and bonded Residential Builder for 15 years, I am see you have no real experience.

Liens are payment disputes for lots of reasons.

You can foreclose a property to satisfy your contract including 'extras' furnished -- even as a workman -- if you have a perfected mechanics lien you can foreclose. If the work was done it is part of the real property -- you cannot "take it back [repo]."

A workman not paid wages by a sub-contractor can lien a project if payment was made without a Sworn Statement by the sub-contractor to the General Contractor or property owner contracting for the improvements (under my licensing law for 90 days after the last work was furnished -- this varies state to state). In practice a waiver of lien is made on payment.

You people do not know what you are talking about. Go to your country recorder's or registrar of deeds office and look up the property liens filed and recorded and their release history-- maybe you will know WTF you are talking about.

I despize Hilary , but you are sick to believe all that ....

.. and you do not stay on subject ....

Huh? you went off about Carter and and peanuts and talk about others staying on subject? I have no clue what you're even talking about.

and...

Sick to believe all what? Proven, verifiable facts? Sick that her email server was set up specifically to circumvent FOIA requests? Sick that she was briefed continually on how State Dept correspondence must be handled by the FBI and did the exact opposite? Sick that she signed documents that she'd been briefed on how to handle State Dept documents and did the opposite? Sick that she was specifically briefed on how to identify classified documents by the FBI and alerted to the fact that its on her to recognize classified materials and later said as a defense that she has no clue what the designations mean or how to recognize them? Sick that she was given a subpoena to turn over the email server and all emails, didn't and then promptly went to deleting emails that were under subpoena? Sick that emails surfaced with the Hillary team discussing what emails they should and shouldn't turn over in spite of them all being under subpoena and was required to do so, regardless? Sick that she destroyed data that was under subpoena? That she destroyed government documents under subpoena? That she said repeatedly that she never handled any classified documents, when she did? That she said she turned over every email she was required to when she didn't? That she even had her maid handing classified materials as well as her aids who had no security clearance to do so? Sick that she was stripping out classified headings and passing those messages around? That she destroyed phones under subpoena with a hammer? That she destroyed under subpoena hard drives with hammers? That she attempted to wipe the server drive clean rather than turn it over as she was required to by the subpoena? The list goes on and on and on and on about what she did wrong just with the simple illegal email server she had and her mishandling of government (the peoples) correspondence and classified materials... not to mention her destruction of shit tons of evidence under subpoena.

Sick is when people can't admit to and confront the truth and continue to argue a fantasy simply because it fits a team narrative.

100% extreme alt-rightaid talking points but you're not a Republican :thumbsup

I've voted Republican and am a blue dog democrat just calling a spade a spade.

Republicans making a big fuss about the family business ( local peanut farm ) of Jimmy Carter ( he was a USA president ... ) while ignoring Trump business and his family implication at business level AND White house level ....

read abit :
When Jimmy Carter was president, he gave up his self-built peanut farm and then was investigated
by Walter Einenkel

I share the news. Kittens help me relax.

There was nothing emotional about my post. I'm just sharing a link in hopes of sparking a discussion.

THat's great! I didn't know that.

But did you read the article?

It says AES Electrical had 45 people working 12 hours a day to make sure the job was completed on time, etc, but that Trump didn't pay. And if you do a Google search there are all kinds of small businesses that Trump seemed to not pay in full. For example, this guy : https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.4f96c61510a4

I don't think people are grasping, but ok, let's say you're right, and say Trump was right not to pay those companies what they were promised for whatever reason. Even if you take that out of the equation, do you not see ANY red flags? His dismissal of the intelligence briefings? His crazy tweets? His mocking of a disabled reporter? Is there anything Trump has said or done that made you think twice?

(Not trying to put you on the spot, just asking...)

Cheers.