So once it's proven that Trump Tower WAS wiretapped...
 

Here is how the liberals will "shift" their statements...

Right now it's: "There's absolutely no proof that the FBI or Obama administration wire tapped Trump's phones. He cited no evidence and is a total conspiracy theorist"

Once it's proven, then it'll be: "Good I'm glad his phones were wire tapped, why is Trump concerned? What does he have to hide?"

"I didn't kill that guy. The real criminal is the one who videotaped me doing it".

Trump didn't commit any crime or it'd be all over the news

4th Trump spam thread created by JohnnyClips today and it's only 11am.

Buckle in, cucky boy it's going to be a LONG day for you communists :1orglaugh

Trump is desperate after hearing Sessions recused himself, he knows he's going down and this is his hail mary pass.

He's scared and the paranoia is kicking in, just like Nixon, but much sooner because Trump has such a thin skin. Trump can dish it out but can't take it. Such a pussy snowflake ❄

He's not going anywhere. There will be people going down though.. Just not who you think..

Obama had a full scale intelligence operation going on the opposing Presidential candidate since at least "spring of 2016"

It'll be Trump for 8 years

He won't last a year if he continues his childish behavior. The rest of the world think he's a clown. Everyone is still in shock.

Why wont he last?

OMG you're fucking stupid.

a·nal·o·gy
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noun: analogy; plural noun: analogies
a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

No, I don't .....

I think he is a baboon ..... :)

So where is the proof that he colluded with the russians....for what exactly I dont know

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Hopefully the point you're trying to make is that all of this was started by this dumb article, and not that it's some kind of proof of anything.

Still don't understand? Let me explain this for you, retard. The analogy is saying that Trump is throwing around wiretapping accusations because his campaign and administration is guilty of collusion with Russia. Why would he need to make these claims if there was nothing there?

Does anyone you know not want to punch you in the face because you're so brain dead?

And here's another point for you, which hopefully you can understand. There's no such thing as a good leak.

Leaks happen because bad shit is going on and people on the inside want it to see the light of day. If you were a wife beater, and your kids were "leaking" that information to the rest of your family, you would probably say your kids are the bad ones for ratting you out.

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You do know they can wiretap people illegally, right?

Where's the proof and evidence that there was any collusion? And what is the purpose of this collusion? Please provide evidence

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damn.... it is TRUE !!!!!

Oh yea Obama personally did it...silly libs

this is why you´re insane...


there´s no proof because it didn´t happen.


you´re sounding as nuts as Trump with these ridiculous threads :1orglaugh :thumbsup :1orglaugh

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Proof Trump is a Russian spy. No other people on earth have houses that ugly inside other than Russians, Saudis and Saddam Hussein..

To me, there are three likely scenarios here.

1. Trump was wiretapped and it was done in secret under order from Obama or someone high up in his administration. They ignored the law and carried this out in secret. I give this about 5000:1 odds of being true. The reason being, if they found something useful their only real option would be to leak it and it is unclear how much that may or may not help Hilary. I think Obama wanted Hillary to win. I think he badly wanted her to win. I don't think he wanted her to win badly enough that he would risk going to jail and destroying his legacy for it.

2. Trump was wiretapped, but it was done legally. This would mean a FISA court judge signed off on a warrant. This is no small matter. It would mean a judge would have had enough evidence presented to them that they were willing to approve wiretapping a candidate for POTUS. If this is true, it is terrible news for Trump because it means they have something on him that is bad enough to convince a judge to approve the tap. The odds of this being true? I give it about 500:1.

3. There was no wiretapping and this is all something someone within Trump's administration told him or suggested to him or in some way presented to him. There are stories coming out about how Trump exploded in a fit of rage after Sessions recused himself from the Russian investigation. I won't be shocked to hear someone suggested this to Trump in order to calm him down and take his focus off of Sessions and that whole mess. I also won't be shocked if Trump just made it up as a way to deflect the attention Sessions and the Russians are getting. The odds of this being true? I give it even money.

That would mean a court thought there was enough evidence to wire tap chump tower, just reenforcing that chump is dirty, shady, liar or someone working for him is too

It's already discussed all over how the FISA was obtained. It's the B.S. report from the wannabe James Bond.

"Last April, the CIA director was shown intelligence that worried him. It was - allegedly - a tape recording of a conversation about money from the Kremlin going into the US presidential campaign.

It was passed to the US by an intelligence agency of one of the Baltic States. The CIA cannot act domestically against American citizens so a joint counter-intelligence taskforce was created.

The taskforce included six agencies or departments of government. Dealing with the domestic, US, side of the inquiry, were the FBI, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Justice. For the foreign and intelligence aspects of the investigation, there were another three agencies: the CIA, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the National Security Agency, responsible for electronic spying.

Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day."

Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here? - BBC News


Which leads us back to the investigation that has been referred to many times here on GFY by me which right before the election Comey came out and said there was nothing to be found. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/u...ald-trump.html

The same stupid shit just keeps getting rehashed. I'm sure Trump is tired of it so he's striking back.

Those stories talk about the investigation that took place and, by now, most people who follow the news know about. Trump is accusing President Obama of wiretapping him. To me, that is different than what we have here. Of course, Trump could mean this investigation and not that Obama himself ordered he be wiretapped, but he isn't the best communicator so it could be confusing.

I think Trump was playing by the rules of "you don't go after you predecessor's" but considering it's becoming quite clear Obama was and is working to sabotage Trump the gloves are now off.

On Tuesday, former Attorney General Eric Holder revealed that Obama is indeed getting closer to making his public reappearance in politics.

'It's coming. He's coming,' Holder said speaking to reporters. 'And he's ready to roll.'

According to the family source, Obama was at first reluctant to assume the role of leader of the opposition.

'No longer the most powerful man in the world, he was just observing Trump and not liking what he saw,' said the source.

'He was weary and burned out after eight years in office. But Valerie convinced him that he didn't have any choice if he wanted to save his legacy. And, as usual, he bowed to Valerie's political wisdom and advice.'

Read more: Obama confidante Valerie Jarrett moves in to Kaloroma home | Daily Mail Online

I hope Trump says fuck it I'm coming after you all now... Tosses Hillary in jail, Obama, Holder, Jarret, holy shit the list is endless. Really clean the fucking swamp. All because they kept up with some bullshit storyline that had already been investigated.

And this somehow proves that he ordered a wiretapping of Trump?

Also, just going back to Feb 1st Trump mentions Obama at least 20 times on Twitter. The whole not going after the predecessor is simply bullshit.

I am confused as to how you two are having a conversation about this without screaming at each other and slinging insults.

It's fact there was a legthy investigation going on which generally consists of wiretapping. Who it is that was being wiretapped is open to interpretation at the moment but considering who has been taped we can make good guesses. If you want to imagine Obama was not aware of it all you're welcome to do so for the moment anyway.

I'm talking legally going after him. Right now it's just a warning shot I think but if they keep pressing it will no doubt turn into more.

It did say in one of the articles you linked above that a few people close to Trump (the didn't name them) were part of the investigation and that while Trump wasn't named, it was likely he was a target of it.

I am curious to find out if Trump meant this investigation or if he meant something different. If he meant this one, it seems pretty clear that it wasn't illegal.

I get the feeling that he does mean this investigation in which case it sounds to me like he is deflecting. His Twitter from the last few days is all about Obama this and Obama that, all of which is already known to the public.

It will be interesting to see how the next couple of days play out. I think this wiretapping stuff will likely go away, but the Sessions stuff is just getting started so if this was all done by Trump as a play to deflect, he may need more material.

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It really isn't public knowledge that this investigation went on. Otherwise why keep up with the Russia BS story line? The last time I mentioned it here Rochard and all of the other libs seemed dumbfounded to find out there was an investigation that they knew nothing about and this was just a month or so ago. Trump is now putting the investigation front and center. Comey will have to come out with his findings again because before it was all buried during the election cycle news. It will ideally finally put the Russia BS to rest. If the libs keep on it just puts the investigation back in the news cycle and people begin to question Obama's true motives.

I don't know if the Russians had anything to do with Trump's campaign. I won't be shocked if they did and I also won't be shocked if it turns out he didn't know anything about it and his people were "just trying to help."

I also won't be shocked if we don't find anything concrete.

All that said, I think this stuff needs to be looked into. If there is a chance that the Russians played a role in this election we need to know about it.

And if there's a chance that Obama was in any way using his role as President to try and ruin a opposing candidate we should know about that as well.

What we do know is nothing came out of the investigation. So what did they do instead? Used the wiretappings from the investigation to trash Trumps picks... SO obviously someone is doing something.... Who it all leads to is up in the air.

I agree. If it turns out Obama was behind it then we should know.

The whole Russian thing feels fishy to me. Maybe it is all manufactured, but Trump seems to be surrounded by people either with ties to Russia or who are talking to the Russians. It might all be just coincidence and there be nothing there, but I think we deserve to know the truth.

They've been trying to manufacture it for over a year. They came up with nothing so they are just trying to use guilt by association. Truth be told, what does it matter anyway? Hell Hillary's foundation received tens of millions from the Russians. Every damn day some democrat talking shit about someone Trump knows meeting with the Russian Ambassador ends up getting slapped right back in the face with a picture of them hanging out with the Russian Ambassador. Most recently Nancy Pelosi.

Chump is White trash

A great Orange Baboon.

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Poor trump

Using Mark Levin is like saying my uncle said. Dont you realize all these righty pundits need ratings so saying off the wall shit is how they get it. The only difference now is the nutty president reads them and believes it.

I'm going to wait until it's proven and accepted as fact in all circles, or at least most. Like no one disputes watergate, hillary being a criminal etc. but here are some quick facts which aren't a revelation.
1. Nyc is probably the easiest city to wiretap in post 911 world. Heck, you could do that with a listening device. For example: years ago I put on headphones and a new mic on my camera. I started picking up other people talking. No one was in sight. There were two homeboys 1000 ft away I was picking up when my mic was pointed that direction. This piqued my interest. So we tested it and ascertained if you knew who to listen for it worked up to a 1/4 mile. Now given the lack of security protocol that has been obvious, one wouldn't need a wiretap to listen to a guy on his phone on a veranda or terrace. Was someone listening? Most definitely. Was it done illegally? That's up to the courts and the interperation of law.

2.all communications are monitored. It was probably passed to the old admin by another agency or by a subcontractor.
3. The key points here are did obama order it. Most likley not. Did someone tap into or listen in. Most likley yes. Did obama hear what was said? Most likley yes.

Nailed it, libbies do their opinion/statement twists like that all the time once confronted with facts, new evidence etc etc

did you forget fake urine dossier was carried by all the lying liberal press, on the front page, everywhere?

at this point mark levin has more credibility than anyone employed by the big 6 media. how about hilary being ahead in the race, every single day for 9 months, according to the liberal media. suddenly, she lost. who woulda thunk it, reading the liberal media? 98% chance to win! is that where you get your facts?

if you cant figure out whose credible now, then get back on the short bus.

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