Traffic versus Content, which one is King?
 

It's been a 20 year debate that needs resolving. So here goes.

Who here pushes sites with crap content? Sites with ugly girls, faking it, being fucked by ugly guys with small to average dicks.

Who submitted TGPs full of shit content and got them listed on the top sites. Who gets there videos listed on Pornhub and get consistent high scores from surfers. Who here knows or has sites that can afford to just pay for adverts because they convert enough traffic?

The difficult is always going to get better results than the easy, for the individual who can do both. And there is the problem. Few can shoot good porn, very few can shoot great porn especially today when money for content is limited for most.

It's easy to put up a site with 30 scenes costing $300 each. It's hard to find, new attractive modes, shoot, in a new location every time, a good scene requiring the knowledge and skills to create good porn.

What's good porn? The porn that converts the most traffic. Gets the most affiliates, the most traffic to a sample, the most clicks from the sample to the tour, the tour that converts the most surfers into members, the site that retains the best. The site that makes the most money.

If you disagree show us the shit porn sites that are doing great and you are pushing traffic to.

On sites like Mydirtyhobby unless you push traffic to one girl and only get paid for her, you send traffic to a site with a selection of models. The surfer is left to select the one he prefers. Who does he choose, the first because the content has no real effect of the one he likes the best? How many like the better porn than people who like any scene?

The argument "If I had enough traffic." Is a bullshit argument because you don't have enough traffic because not enough surfers will bookmark and return to your site because they like it. Why do they like it? Because the content pleases them.

The argument "You won't sell anything if you haven't got traffic." Is a bullshit argument because you won't sell anything off a blank page, a blank tour, a blank TGP.

:2 cents: :1orglaugh . . .

I triggered Paul but because he is clueless he posts things like this.

The obvious intent is his bullshit narrative that using shit content to send someone to a site with many options proves his theory that it's the content that sells.

He only posts things like this because he doesn't understand that I and every other big webcam promoter I referenced linked to the join page.

Sold before landing. Done deal. Credit card in hand. No other models seen. Mission accomplished. Traffic is king. :upsidedow

Most people are browsing on their phone Paul. I haven't looked at bookmark stats in a decade. :1orglaugh

The problem with these threads is that Paul will argue the exact opposite of whatever you post, just for the sake of it, irregardless of whether he actually believes it or not.

It was kinda funny once, now its just tiring...

After all this time it is clear that he believes it. No matter the conversation it always comes down to

Content wins

His content is awesome

Other content is not

All the traffic people he ever dealt with couldn't sell his content (duh)

He can get some idiotic college kids to generate traffic instead of professionals cause that is easy

Etc

He is 100% consistent in the above because it bruises his ego to admit he doesn't know any of the shit relevant in 2019.

Here Paul, I'll show you how it's done.

I don't know how to shoot porn. I don't know anything significant about cameras. I don't know about location scouting, pay rates, lighting, equipment, makeup, staff or anything else related.

I do know what content is best for selling webcams and it's https://www.recipetineats.com/wp-con...n-Nachos_3.jpg.

can't wait to what conclusion we come this time...

What did you use to sell to the site to the people?

You've inadvertently agreed with me and confirmed my argument.

The only way you can convince people to join with seeing the tour and send them straight to a join page credit card in hand is to use content from the site. In the cases of only words doing it, the word of the reviewer has to so trusted by the reader they need no more.

Modern browsers now suggest what you want by what you regularly visit. How many porn sites are visited regularly on phones against how many are visited again and again because the site pleases the viewer? Again you confirmed what I've said.

For traffic to be king you have to prove that brand new generated traffic is the best way to make money, not ever relying on repeat traffic because the content pleases the viewer.

I will never argue that great content out sells bad content. For traffic to be king you have to prove that brand new traffic is the best way of making money.

Some still want to argue. Some will still insist crap sites sell best if only they could get enough traffic and yet not interested in sending to them or listing the crap sites that are making more than great sites.

Then there are the idiots who can only say my content is crap and only they are clever enough to drive traffic. Without telling everyone how they do it, when the information is everywhere. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...ZILC8sQ4dUDCAw

640x480 clothed content of a friend, non nude.

800x600 screen caps of rando cam girls, non nude to PG 13.

4 shit sets from a huge content provider at the time. Worst converting of all, still 7 figures.

No I didn't.

No it isn't. 99% of people that joined iFriends from join page links never found or even cared to find the images that got them there. The images were just a way to generate traffic, which we sold on our own damn sites, and sent to a join page. It's like running your own site without spending a cent on content or development.

And all you'll find with how to generate porn traffic searches is how to generate the shitty, 1 in 1000 conversion or worse traffic that everyone else plays with. This is filler traffic, it's not generating shit and is mostly a clouded vision / dick in hand circle jerk.

If getting good traffic was easy you'd be rich many times over.

Anyone wanting to shoot porn, "it's easy".

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...4dUDCAs&uact=5

:1orglaugh

Content is king but traffic is required, it's a symbiotic relationship.

There are only a handful of examples I've seen where a site is so good it does not need mass traffic to be a huge success. (Girlsdoporn was one of them, but for all the wrong reasons as that site should never have existed in the first place) Manyvids/Onlyfans being others.

Traffic is great and all but if you don't have fresh constant content, you are going to die a slow death nowadays. I'd also argue against Paul's point of high quality content being so necessary. These days some of the best stuff is bf/gf stuff shot on an iphone. it's definitely Quantity over Quality these days.

Look back 10+ years ago when places like sleazydream, worldsex, reviewsites, tgps/mgps, gallery submitters were all on top of their game. Now I feel if they are still around, they are most likely living off very old rebills because all their traffic got sucked up by the 5 main tube sites that control it all.

Besides you?

Jesus fucking Christ. I cannot stand this chicken versus egg nonsense. It should be obvious that the value lies no more in one than the other. Without traffic, content is fucking useless. Without content, traffic is pointless.

The real argument isn't which is king -- it's which one is more difficult to create. Site owners can purchase content all day long - and cheaply. Even shit content can sell. As many have argued, nearly brain dead Instagram girls with $100 phones can make money. No artistry, no talent, no expensive lighting - merely a splendid body that I guy like me can only dream of tasting. Creating traffic, on the other hand, ESPECIALLY TODAY, is a motherfucking ballbusting skill.

Content is just a thing. Traffic is money. King of what?

This - and ONLY this (great post).

Traffic today - good, converting traffic - is not endless. It only comes from a few major sources these days so it's VERY competitive to obtain that traffic. Content? Sure - but it's everywhere. Content is not hard to get. TRAFFIC is now the hardest part of this Industry for non-female performers to acquire. At least in massive, sustainable quantities.

Am I stuck in the waybackmachine?

its groundhog day for paul...no new memories can be stored in his tiny brain...he experiences this same day over and over...

which came first the chicken or the egg? answer: the roster

great pic... that is great content

Abspofuckinglutely.

One can't exist without the other online. The reasons most affiliates choose a site to send their traffic to is it pays them the best. Converts and retains the best, that's down to the content. Fresh content is a must, more important for TGPs and Tubes than members who can't see everything unless a small niche. The cost of producing fresh content day in and day out has made it very hard for all but a few whose profits allowed them to. Profits that came from high conversions and retention.

You made a mistake about me thinking high quality porn is the Penthouse/Met Art end of the business. I like Ben Dover, Buttman, far more than I liked Twistys, Dean Capture. Because one was more authentic than the other and for porn high quality is the most authentic. It's why so many like to watch an Amateur really enjoy herself rather than a porn star go through the same routine. Anyone who has watched my Astral Blue content would know what I like.

I do admire the photographers who worked for the better end magazines, but would never buy them.

Why is it a ball busting skill? Because surfers prefer getting free better content than what you're trying to sell them. If anything Tubes have proven Content is King.

Is it hard to start a Tube site, get traffic to it? Dead easy. The problem is in getting enough content to get enough traffic to get a conversion. Without 50,000 clips everyone else hasn't got, of a decent length, few surfers will come back, bookmark or remember. It's no good having a site that relies on Tube submitters and Google for traffic. You must have loyal visitors.

As for purchasing it. Go and find 50,000 videos that everyone else doesn't have and see how cheap they are.

Yes it's easy to shoot porn today and the quality of the girls performance is what determines how much money she makes.

You are right one is useless without the other.

Why is traffic, in the numbers required, hard to get today?

Because content is king and the most, best content is on Tubes. So for people like you who don't have the resources to shoot good porn, with motivated models days in and day out, traffic is hard to come by.

Even when you get it the number of surfers who reject it are staggering. Because the alternatives to buying what you offer are better. It's most certainly not because there are fewer surfers seeing Porn Nerd scenes. https://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=pornnerd and https://www.youporn.com/channel/8825...the-porn-nerd/ and https://www.xvideos.com/?k=pornnerd

You seem to be getting lots of views, so why aren't people buying? The content on Tubes is better.

Compare that to Fake Taxi, Met Art, Brazzers, girls on mydirtyhobby, etc. They are better at creating good scenes in the quantity and quality required that'snot rejected when seen.

So please none of this BS about traffic not being endless. Yes free traffic that will buy what you offer is hard to find, but I've pointed put why.

I agree. People still think traffic is hard to get when there are more surfers online than ever before. They still think content is easy to get because someone will sell them and 100s of other people cheap scenes.

Because surfers won't be herded like sheep to sites they send them to. Because they'v decided content is the reason they're online and Tubes give it to them.

Most affiliates and webmasters have used the same method to resolve the same problem and when it didn't work, they used the same method again.

Not enough sales? You need more traffic.

When the real problem was few will buy the shit you're offering, so throwing more traffic at it just means more won't buy. Adding stupidity to dumb they decided the best way to get more traffic was to give surfers more free content and find ways to load more free content online than before with tools, free samples, hosting, support, galleries, etc.

They often dismissed high numbers of surfers rejecting what they offered by claiming those people never bought porn. While other sites were converting the same traffic. All the while they could see the programs that were selling and yet didn't see why or maybe they did and refused to copy them.

I've lost count of the number of people who asked me if I could shoot exclusive custom content for stupidly low prices. $300 for a solo girl set and video, $800 for a lesbian scene and $12 for a boy girl scene. The reason they gave for offering such a low price was someone else would do it for that price, when I asked so why are you asking me they told me because his stuff is bad. But they weren't going to pay more.

Now you have people claiming Traffic today - good, converting traffic - is not endless. It only comes from a few major sources these days so it's VERY competitive to obtain that traffic. Content? Sure - but it's everywhere. Content is not hard to get. His solution is to go shoot more scenes himself as if he can do as good a job as a professional. Can he afford a professional? Probably not and that's what separates the great sites from the mediocre.

Starting a porn paysite that's successful is a tough business, whether it's 2019 or 2000. You need good scenes and a lot of them, for members and affiliates. Then there's fresh updates. This all costs money before a cent comes in. Add CMS, site design and you looking at a bill of $50k to $100k for the minimum in 2000.

Your problem is getting the right content producer to shoot the right content that attracts and converts. The good ones are already working for others and won't be tempted by most for the money offered by most. It doesn't matter if you think his work is shit and he's never sold anything online. Others don't think that and are paying him.

So they pick up camera and shoot the content themselves or get someone cheap to shoot it. And end up with a site that needs the majority of money spent promoting it because the content doesn't sell. Then blame the traffic for the reason their shit doesn't sell.

Today your problem is not enough sites offer anything as good as a free tube. Back in 2000 the loss of sales to free porn was only 99% of surfers, today it 99.99%. Those figures are to represent the huge losses to free porn and not to be taken literally. Yet idiots will swear blind the porn industry is thriving and never had it so good. Even though a week rarely goes by that another program isn't outed for not paying affiliates.

It's not dead and porn will never die, not as long as people will pay for ad space on a Tube. :1orglaugh

You need both. One without the other is worthless.

/end thread

man, I really hope Eva has an eye on you

Sounds like Paul needs to start some websites since he knows better than literally everyone that runs actual websites. :1orglaugh

If you gave Paul a website with 50 million in exclusive content for free he wouldn't make shit.

If you gave an idiot 50 million porn surfers per day he would make money sending to virtually any paysite, cam site, dating site, eBay, Amazon, traffic brokers, a YouTube channel or a billion other things. Even a donation button would see a few bucks.

We all understand the importance of good content to send traffic to but you won't make shit without traffic, I can make plenty with no content. :2 cents:

Word for word on every forum created.

It is easy content generate traffic

Traffic

http://takeoldjeffsmoney.com/traffic_all_day_long.jpg


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Those declines are depressing. :(

My Bank Account doesn't care LOL :upsidedow

It's just ridiculous how much money is left on the table. I just got a decline on my perfectly good debit card for a porn site, same store for years and years and years.

Not porn, but still Adult space.
$125 worth of content, mid 7 figures yearly.
In my case definitely traffic is king, and it's fucking expensive.

yeah. innit fucking just... :2 cents:

I only push Paul Markham approved sites

No you can't. Just because someone else has it you still need something to sell.

Yes money is left on the table, just not as much as there could be for people with shit content.

If I'm wrong it would be easy for you to list all the sites making big bucks with shit content. For instance why did you send your traffic to Clickcash? Is it the best site most suited for your traffic based on the content it has, or is it the first site you found?

Who here is pushing traffic to shit sites? There must be 100s of you because traffic is king. Time to prove it.

It's a Dating site so not really something we're discussing.

You're send traffic to someone else who is spending money putting a site together. That makes you money.

Would you spend money on sending traffic to a site that doesn't convert? No and that's the problem most people have today in porn with sites without great content.

Even today people say they think traffic is king, then won't push sites without great conversions, great and endless samples, unique and great content. Then tell you they can get content anywhere. The opposite is true, shit traffic is easy and free to get. No one spends a dime to get it.

Nope not dating, the $125 of content is the complete members area.

12% credits, 9% chargebacks... tsk, tsk...


PS: what about the other billers :D

We've been over this, asshole. I sold my own damn customers and sent to a join. I sold them with 600x800 max size screenshots of cams NON FUCKING NUDE. 4 pictures, a lot of words.